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Sep 7, 2004, 02:22 AM
 
just been to CeBIT and i thoght the macs they had there were amazing and im thinking of getting a mac. ive used nix since i was 12 i im just wondering if i could still do what i did on freebsd on maybe a imac G5. I've just got a bit bored of PC's now. DO the unix untilities come with MACOSX? And could i compare a 1gb mb 1.8ghz 17" imac G5 with my 1.6ghz P4 256mb ram PC? Would there really be a point in getting a mac? And how many years do you think i could get out of my imac G5?
     
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Sep 7, 2004, 02:39 AM
 
You can't compare the Ghz ratings of Intel/AMD processors with the G4 and G5 processors in Apple computers.

For instance, an 867Mhz G4 is nearly 80% faster at completing tasks than a 1.7 Ghz P4 according to this old video I have on my computer. It basically devles into how the processors are constructed quite differently, and that the Mac processors are quite a bit faster at the same Mhz as a Pentium chip.

I'm sure someone can provide more info, and tell you more about the G5 vs Pentium 4 etc.


It is hard to say how long an iMac would suit your needs, but generally Macs tend to outlive their PC rivals. The technical specs don't change quite as often, but more importantly the software and OS usually runs really well on the older computers. A friend of mine has one of the old colorful iMac G3's which he bought in 1999. He hasn't changed anything on it, other than upgrade it to 512mb of ram. A few weeks ago he installed the latest version of Mac OS (Panther - 10.3) and it has not only given it more useful features, it has also made his old computer faster! Try installing Windows XP on a Celeron 366 and tell me if it makes it run faster than when it had Win98.
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Sep 7, 2004, 02:54 AM
 
yeah i kinda know you cant compare them but thanks for the help
     
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Sep 7, 2004, 09:55 AM
 
Do the Unix utilities come with MacOS X?
OS X comes with a fair number of things. For instance, the app Terminal is your command line interface should you need it (you might already know this). It not only lets you do a lot of standard Unix commands, it lets you drag files or folders on to the window to automatically create a reference to the location of that object in the command line. An example is if you're going to FTP something: once you've typed in "put " you can drag the file you want to upload into the Terminal window so that it says "put /Users/blah/Documents/whatever.jpg" instead of having to type it out yourself.

A number of Unix functions also have Apple-made graphical front-ends to them. You can use Network Utility if you want to perform a WHOIS or a traceroute. Disk Utility handles repairing permissions, and using Get Info on a file will let you modify the individual permissions for that file without having to use "chown" or "chmod."

It's not always installed by default, but one important thing to note is that X11 comes with OS X (and can be downloaded for free from Apple if you don't want to fish out your install CDs). So long as a Linux/Unix app is compiled for PowerPC chips, there's a real possibility that it'll run. Efforts like the Fink Project are also there to help get a lot of apps from other Unix variants (or just x86 versions of BSD apps) working in OS X.

As far as the iMac G5 goes, it depends on what you'll be using it for. It's most definitely not a gaming machine (unless you tend to stick to older games), but for most anything short of the hardest number crunching it'll definitely be a step up from your 1.6 GHz Pentium 4. As a general rule, think of a G5 as being roughly 50 to 66 percent faster than a Pentium 4 at the same speed. It can vary depending on how well-optimized a program is for OS X and the G5 in particular.
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Sep 7, 2004, 12:03 PM
 
Originally posted by defcon8:
just been to CeBIT and i thoght the macs they had there were amazing and im thinking of getting a mac. ive used nix since i was 12 i im just wondering if i could still do what i did on freebsd on maybe a imac G5. I've just got a bit bored of PC's now. DO the unix untilities come with MACOSX? And could i compare a 1gb mb 1.8ghz 17" imac G5 with my 1.6ghz P4 256mb ram PC? Would there really be a point in getting a mac? And how many years do you think i could get out of my imac G5?
You can port almost anything to OS X/Darwin. You may want to Look at also and Darwinports Fink Apple's X11

As a former NetBSD user I've found OSX/Darwin simply amazing.

Make the switch, just keep in mind that the iMac is not very upgradeable. If you need to add better 3D or a Faster CPU Later you may want to look at a G5 Tower

The iMac G5 has a far higher Bus speed than a P4 1.6 and some other enhancements that will make it much faster Clock per Clock. A further advantage is the Mac OS is very tight code written and optimized for the Hardware.
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