[turtle777]

Well, there we go.
Apple is selling more iMac G5 at the moment than iPods.

http://macnn.com/rd.php?id=23159

Makes sense, the iMac has much better GPU than the iPod

-t

[iBorg]

Originally posted by turtle777:
the iMac has much better GPU than the iPod

-t

LOL!

On this, we agree!



iBorg

[galarneau]

Originally posted by turtle777:
Makes sense, the iMac has much better GPU than the iPod

[stephenh]

how can something that isn't shipping be a top seller?

[storer]

Originally posted by stephenh:
how can something that isn't shipping be a top seller?

preorders.

[stephenh]

Originally posted by storer:
preorders.

Should that even count?

[jamesa]

I think whether something becomes a real top-seller is not based on a week of pre-orders. The original iMac G4 had a lot of pre-orders too; more so than the original iMac G3. But the iMac G4 didn't even come close to the number of sales that the iMac G3 made.

Time will tell as to whether this is a successful computer, and there'll be a whole lot of people who jump on the bandwagon straight away. There always are, even with the Cube. It's the more selective customers, however, who will determine whether this is a successful machine or not.

We'll see whether GPU comes into play. I'm betting it's one of the first things that get fixed in a refresh, which is as close as we'll get to Apple admitting a mistake.

-- james

[Big Fat Octopus]

I consider myself to be an advanced Mac user and although I understand some peoples need for a "Better" video card, I would buy an iMac G5 in current spec.

I don't really play games that often so it's a non-issue for me.

I think that the gamers are making the GPU seem like a bigger problem than it is because they are very vocal on this forum. Sure it is a big problem for THEM but for the majority of people using Apple computers I suspect it is also a non-issue.

The main thing I need is Hard Drive space for video editing. I thought the mid range 17" 1.8G5 iMac should have had at least a 120gig drive. Maybe I'll start a thread on that

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Big Fat Octopus:
The main thing I need is Hard Drive space for video editing. I thought the mid range 17" 1.8G5 iMac should have had at least a 120gig drive. Maybe I'll start a thread on that

Why? At least you can upspec the drive to 250 GB.

It'd be faster with 2 drives though of course for video editing, but at least you can use an external one if it ever becomes an issue.

[iBorg]

Originally posted by Big Fat Octopus:
I think that the gamers are making the GPU seem like a bigger problem than it is because they are very vocal on this forum. Sure it is a big problem for THEM but for the majority of people using Apple computers I suspect it is also a non-issue.

Have I, and many others, not already said it loud enough and often enough?

THE G5 IMAC'S CRIPPLED GPU ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE DAMNED GAMES!!!

*sigh*



iBorg

[Andrew Stephens]

I think that as Apple push the iMac as the ultimate plug and play computer thay have a responsibility to make sure that the hardware is up to it. Gamers or not many users will run into graphics problems either through the system demands or if they try to run a game and with no knowledge of the internal system of the machine will simply label the whole computer as duff.

I guarentee that 80% of users will never even check what GPU the machine uses, they will just believe the ads and the salesman and take home the box. If the box fails to perform for any reason this will simply be the computers fault.

Yes I know that as consumers they should know what they are buying, but if the product is pushed that way, then that is what you will get.

[george68]

Originally posted by turtle777:
Well, there we go.
Apple is selling more iMac G5 at the moment than iPods.

http://macnn.com/rd.php?id=23159

Makes sense, the iMac has much better GPU than the iPod

-t

And if only it had a better graphics card myself along with hundreds of otherws would have also purchased one.

- Ca$h

[Eriamjh]

Does anybody know how Apple caluclates the "top seller"? Is it just a the grand total? (Can't be that). Is it total per day? Week? Hour?

[buffalolee]

Originally posted by iBorg:
Have I, and many others, not already said it loud enough and often enough?

THE G5 IMAC'S CRIPPLED GPU ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE DAMNED GAMES!!!

*sigh*



iBorg

True, it's also about Apple Motion software too. It's already crippled with the iMac's GPU.

[Turnpike]

Originally posted by turtle777:
Well, there we go.
Apple is selling more iMac G5 at the moment than iPods.

http://macnn.com/rd.php?id=23159

Makes sense, the iMac has much better GPU than the iPod

-t

I love you.

and yes, I also love you people that are claiming it doesn't have rights to the "top seller" for one reason or another... if you didn't have a beef with it in other regards, you wouldn't think twice about a pre-order being popular...


and as a person who doesn't do a lot of gaming, and will probably not use Motion, I'm glad to say that I've got a G5 tower that will be able to handle graphics cards until AGP croaks (a few months, at least)

[[APi]TheMan]

And if they upped the specs on the GPU and the hard drive who would need to spend $1000 more on a G5?

[turtle777]

Originally posted by Turnpike:
I love you.

I'm glad that not everybody hates me.



-t

[Turnpike]

Originally posted by [APi]TheMan:
And if they upped the specs on the GPU and the hard drive who would need to spend $1000 more on a G5?

*gasp*

you're acting like Apple had some thought as to the marketing consequences the release of a G5 iMac would have to their flagship product. You obviously haven't been paying attention to the FUD. Try harder next time, k? I'm sure this is embarrassing for us all.

[slider]

I have read several post in this forum about not liking the design of the new iMac. I saw a quick interview with Woz on the Screen Savers and he basically didn't say it looked bad, but did say it was not as aw inspiring as some of Apple's other designs. One thing I have noticed, as a Mac head, is how many people are coming up to me and asking me about it. Something must have hit a cord with folks, the concept of encompassing the entire computer isn't new, but the way some people are reacting to this machine, well, you might think so. Personally I like. Based on the reaction I have seen, I think Apple hit on something, maybe it is b/c of it's marketing the machine as an iPod all grown up.

[[APi]TheMan]

Originally posted by Turnpike:
*gasp*

you're acting like Apple had some thought as to the marketing consequences the release of a G5 iMac would have to their flagship product. You obviously haven't been paying attention to the FUD. Try harder next time, k? I'm sure this is embarrassing for us all.

Whatever, I think most people miss the point that Apple has several tiers of products with several target markets and consumers.

Yeah sure, for a few more bucks Apple could have thrown in a better graphics card, larger hard drive, and maybe faster RAM and a beefier frontside bus which would have made it a better competitor for the gamer... but then who would buy a G5?

Eh, I'm not embarassed, it's not the machine for me.

[Turnpike]

I was being overly-sarcastic. I agree with you.

[Turnpike]

Originally posted by slider:
I have read several post in this forum about not liking the design of the new iMac. I saw a quick interview with Woz on the Screen Savers and he basically didn't say it looked bad, but did say it was not as aw inspiring as some of Apple's other designs. One thing I have noticed, as a Mac head, is how many people are coming up to me and asking me about it. Something must have hit a cord with folks, the concept of encompassing the entire computer isn't new, but the way some people are reacting to this machine, well, you might think so. Personally I like. Based on the reaction I have seen, I think Apple hit on something, maybe it is b/c of it's marketing the machine as an iPod all grown up.

It seems like Woz has been down on quite a bit of Apple stuff in the past couple year... I can't remember why I have that impression, though.

I have to admit, when I first saw it (even those leaked photos) I thought... "wow... now THAT'S a form-factor!" and shortly after I thought "Man... with the trend towards LCDs for space, this will be the most successful "switching" machine yet." I still think it will be that.

It is designed to impress people who are impressed by style. They've got a PowerMac to impress people who are impressed by numbers. People will look at the iMac G5 and say "y'know... that'd be the perfect little computer to replace that old one in the den" or "I needed a new computer and monitor... I can get them both at once, for the size of the monitor."

If it weren't for the nagging brat 13 year olds who want CS or the ignorant, bigoted sales clerks at CompUSA and such, I think it would fly of the shelves. If you knew nothing about computers and saw a row of fairly generic black Dell and Gateway boxes, with one stark white computer that seemed to be all flatscreen LCD, which individual computer would you spend the most time looking at? the iMac, of course. If we could just get the idiot sales boy from coming over and saying "yeah but u [sic, you know they even talk like that in their heads] cant [sic] run any of ur [sic] software on it" I think it would sell very, very well to people who use Windows not because they have to or want to, but because they simply didn't know what they were doing and picked whichever computer had the most appeal at the time.

[timmerk]

That link just redirects me to the Apple store?

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by timmerk:
That link just redirects me to the Apple store?

That is what it is supposed to do.

[jamesa]

Originally posted by [APi]TheMan:
And if they upped the specs on the GPU and the hard drive who would need to spend $1000 more on a G5?

oh gee, let's see.

those who want gigabit ethernet. Those who want to get an external display. those who want to drive more than one display. those who want two graphics cards (or more). those who want to be able to replace their graphics card. those who want a fiber channel PCI card. those who want any other damn PCI card. those who want FW800. those who want room for more than one hard drive. those who want room for more memory. those who want faster memory. those who want a faster system bus. those who want faster CPUs.

and that's just off the top of my head.

so, yeah, you're right, I can easily see an iMac with a better GPU cannibalising all these sales of PowerMac G5s.

consumers want a consumer machine. professionals want a professional machine. having a hardware vendor lock us into a platform and then say to consumers "well ****, if you want a better graphics card, you're going to have to spend 2x as much before we'll even let you fit one in, and then you've got to go out and buy the graphics card" is not a good way to keep customers happy.

-- james

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Are you crumbums still going on about the video card? get over it or keep it to your bitch bitch thread.

[iBorg]

Originally posted by jamesa:
oh gee, let's see.

those who want gigabit ethernet. Those who want to get an external display. those who want to drive more than one display. those who want two graphics cards (or more). those who want to be able to replace their graphics card. those who want a fiber channel PCI card. those who want any other damn PCI card. those who want FW800. those who want room for more than one hard drive. those who want room for more memory. those who want faster memory. those who want a faster system bus. those who want faster CPUs.

and that's just off the top of my head.

so, yeah, you're right, I can easily see an iMac with a better GPU cannibalising all these sales of PowerMac G5s.

consumers want a consumer machine. professionals want a professional machine. having a hardware vendor lock us into a platform and then say to consumers "well ****, if you want a better graphics card, you're going to have to spend 2x as much before we'll even let you fit one in, and then you've got to go out and buy the graphics card" is not a good way to keep customers happy.

-- james

You're spot-on, james!

I wish that Apple, who must be seeing the discontent of its potential buyers (on its own forums, at least!) would post something about the rationale they have for crippling the video on their new baby! Perhaps they tried as-hard-as-hell to put a better video card in, but were unable to - but without saying, it just looks like Apple is intentionally hosing its loyal user base, once again .....

Over and beyond being unwilling to shell out an additional $2000-3000 for a pro machine (and monitor) that I don't need, I simply don't want the bulky size and loud noise of the G5 towers, so this isn't an option for me to do, simply to get a non-sh*t video card. And I think that a large segment of those not buying the iMac, for whatever reason, are not going to buy the tower, either - so rather than our iMac purchases "cannibalizing" a tower sale, Apple simply won't get our money at all.

All for lack of a BTO on a relatively expensive (in today's terms) $1900 computer .....



iBorg

[turtle777]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Are you crumbums still going on about the video card? get over it or keep it to your bitch bitch thread.

Forget it. It's their purpose in life.
They'll bitch until the next revision, and then find something new (or old) to continue...

-t

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by turtle777:
Forget it. It's their purpose in life.
They'll bitch until the next revision, and then find something new (or old) to continue...

-t

Your behavior isn't any better. You're just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

And FYI, you're the one that set the tone for the thread with your little graphics comment.

[iBorg]

Originally posted by turtle777:
Forget it. It's their purpose in life.
They'll bitch until the next revision, and then find something new (or old) to continue...

-t

LOL - you've become so predictable, oh shelled-one!

Anyone reading these threads on the iMac's crippled video can plainly see that this sh*te bottom-feeder video card is THE complaint to be made about Apple's new baby! The rest of the specs are quite good, and most other complaints can be addressed with BTO or add-ons (ram, bluetooth, airport, harddrive).

That's what is so upsetting about the G5 iMac - except for the GPU, this is one great machine, that so many knowledgeable Mac-lovers (myself included!) would have ordered immediately after the keynote!

As with any product, some people will have complaints, but when they correct this obvious screw-up, (revision 2?) the only complaint will be "why did they make us wait so long!!!"

But, then, you already know this, turtle - you just like messin' with us!



iBorg

[mbryda]

Originally posted by jamesa:
IThe original iMac G4 had a lot of pre-orders too; more so than the original iMac G3. But the iMac G4 didn't even come close to the number of sales that the iMac G3 made.

Let's see here - iMac G3 - 1998 to 2003, or a 5 YEAR product cycle. iMac G4 2002 - 2004, 2 years. Or, the G3 iMac has been around for 2x as long as the G4....

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by mbryda:
Let's see here - iMac G3 - 1998 to 2003, or a 5 YEAR product cycle. iMac G4 2002 - 2004, 2 years. Or, the G3 iMac has been around for 2x as long as the G4....

Apple only sold around 1.5 million G4 iMacs. They sold over 6 million G3 iMacs. Jamesa is correct.

And I can't think of one person who bought a G3 iMac after the G4 iMacs were released. So saying that it had a 5 year life really isn't true. 4 year is more accurate.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by iBorg:
But, then, you already know this, turtle - you just like messin' with us!

Darn, somebody finally figured...



-t

[flukewurm]

Originally posted by stephenh:
Should that even count?

wtf?

what would make you think it DOESNT count?...

a sold computer is a sold computer is a sold computer.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by flukewurm:
a sold computer is a sold computer is a sold computer.

How about it counts only as HALF computer, since the GPU is crippled ?

-t

[stephenh]

Originally posted by flukewurm:
wtf?

what would make you think it DOESNT count?...

a sold computer is a sold computer is a sold computer.

Huh? An ordered computer is not a sold computer. Until you receive payment for and ship your product you can't claim it as profit or as units shipped (sold). Therefore, not sold.

[rjc3]

If I recall correctly from a similar discussion regarding the appearance of the iPod Mini on the "Top Sellers" list, the inclusion of an item does not necessarily indicate that it is really a top seller.

Stated plainly, Apple's listings of its top sellers does not reflect actual sales of these units.

To infer that iMacs are outselling ipods from this list is error.

[sniffer]

I doubt my aunt would care if the video card in this (beautiful) machine is the latest greatest Doom3 lover pleaser. Get over it will ya.
The lack of a more universal midrange machine is a whole other discussion, the iMac G5 is perfect for what it is.
And if the approach-the-iPod-owner factor in the design really works than Apple have most certainly hit a home run. The iPod is on everyones lips (like 50%+ markedshare?), and the iMac G5 is the perfect accessory. But we don't know yet if it'll succeed. I hope it will. I really hope it will. Guess we'll know more in the next couple of months.

[Lancer409]

Originally posted by iBorg:
LOL!

On this, we agree!



iBorg