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Tyler McAdams · Apr 27, 2005, 03:23 PM

The core image page says that these are the only video cards below are the only ones:

"Core Image-capable graphics cards include:

ATI Mobility Radeon 9700

ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT

nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200

nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra

nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL"

I thought the 9800 Pro was covered

nycdunz · Apr 27, 2005, 03:25 PM

wtf so the ATI Radeon 9650 isn't covered either?

Tyler McAdams · Apr 27, 2005, 03:32 PM

I think they forgot to add it or something... as far as the 9800 Pro... I know that it *was* covered... so I don't know what's changed...

chibianh · Apr 27, 2005, 03:36 PM

dudes.. that's not the entire list.. notice how is says "include"

I have a 9800 pro and Tiger.. It's compatable with CoreImage.. don't worry.

Amacapart · Apr 27, 2005, 03:40 PM

Apple marketing.....

"Core Image" = DX9

So, ALL radeon 9600 & up

All Nvidia 5200 & up.

Pixel Shaders and an FPU.

Almost gotcha, huh?

"Oh my god !!!! My card isn't supported, I've gotta buy a G5 !!!!!!"

stuffedmonkey · Apr 27, 2005, 03:49 PM

Yeah "Include" is the key word. Your 9650 card is all good.

Tyler McAdams · Apr 27, 2005, 03:55 PM

that was fscking scary... i just installed my 9800 Pro that i got today... I was this close to climbing the ole' bell tower!

Leonard · Apr 28, 2005, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by nycdunz

wtf so the ATI Radeon 9650 isn't covered either?

Man, I like how people like you point this out. Take a pill. The 9650 was just announced yesterday. Apple hasn't had time to update the list and the list is more of a guideline anyways.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 28, 2005, 09:31 AM

IT works fine on my rev a Dual G5 with a plane old ATI 9600 card.

Chito · Apr 28, 2005, 05:46 PM

I'm trying to figure out exactly which card I have for sure. My system profiler says: ATY,R350

Apple's web site says this:

Note: The card named "R350" in the table below indicates it is an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro.

Retail name Chipset name in Apple System Profiler
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra NV34
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 NV34M
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 M10
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro RV350
ATI Radeon 9600 XT RV360
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro R300
ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 M11
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro R350
ATI Radeon 9800 XT R360
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL NV40
ATI Radeon X800 XT R420

The note says it's a 9600 Pro but the table says it's a 9800 Pro? I thought it was a 9800. Does the 9600 have a fan? Mine does.

Person Man · Apr 28, 2005, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Chito

I'm trying to figure out exactly which card I have for sure. My system profiler says: ATY,R350

Apple's web site says this:

Note: The card named "R350" in the table below indicates it is an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro.

Retail name Chipset name in Apple System Profiler
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra NV34
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 NV34M
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 M10
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro RV350
ATI Radeon 9600 XT RV360
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro R300
ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 M11
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro R350
ATI Radeon 9800 XT R360
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL NV40
ATI Radeon X800 XT R420

The note says it's a 9600 Pro but the table says it's a 9800 Pro? I thought it was a 9800. Does the 9600 have a fan? Mine does.

Look at the table closely.

ATI Radeon 9600 Pro is RV350, not R350. R350 is the 9800 Pro.

ReggieX · Apr 28, 2005, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Leonard

Man, I like how people like you point this out. Take a pill. The 9650 was just announced yesterday. Apple hasn't had time to update the list and the list is more of a guideline anyways.

That's incredibly sloppy on Apple's part. Their Hardware page still says G5 Power Macs "64-bit desktop computing with speeds of up to 2.5GHz."

Chito · Apr 28, 2005, 06:20 PM

I did look at the list closely. Look at the post closely. The note from Apples web site says R350 is a 9600 Pro, but the table says it a 9800 Pro. Thats why I'm confused. Here's the link to the page I saw this on. It's in reference to Motion but I couldn't find any other page that detailed the cryptic names used in the profiler. Take a look and you'll see what I mean.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93923

Tyler McAdams · Apr 28, 2005, 06:22 PM

I still want to see a complete listing.... that core image page still urks me...

Amacapart · Apr 28, 2005, 06:29 PM

Chito 1 Apple 0

Their page is indeed wrong.
RV350 = 9600 Pro
RV360 = 9600 XT
R300 = 9700 Pro
R350 = 9800 Pro
R360 = 9800 XT

All Mac 9600's have no fan. All Mac 9800's have a fan.

Be happy, a 9800 is faster than a 9600. And most definetely Core Image included.

a2daj · Apr 28, 2005, 06:52 PM

Look at it this way, all of the Radeon cards which use the Radeon 9700 drivers in /System/Library/Extensions will be covered in Core Image. That means the Radeon 9600 and up.

Chito · Apr 28, 2005, 07:03 PM

Thanks Amacapart. I "thought" it was a 9800 because I seem to remember reading somewhere that 9800's had a fan and 9600's didn't. The nice thing was when I bought the computer it was ordered with a 9600! So maybe it's Chito 2 Apple 0! Thanks again.

Cadaver · Apr 28, 2005, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Tyler McAdams

I still want to see a complete listing.... that core image page still urks me...

Geez... relax. The 9800 Pro is supported. If it isn't, I'll buy you a card that is, OK?

Lefterer Guy · Apr 29, 2005, 01:12 AM

CoreImage includes a setting of cards to explicitly exclude. The setting is there but so far none are being arbitrarily refused. I'd extrapolate from this that any card with sufficient hardware will be supported, barring those added to a list to specifically stop them from working (presumably to disable underpowered cards that slip by the generic tests).

On a similar note, I've figured out how to enable CoreImage and QuartzExtreme on PCI cards in 10.4 and I've updated my auto-patching app, PCI Extreme.
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8979

v.noir · Apr 29, 2005, 06:56 AM

I'd agree. Tiger won't be looking for a particular model of video card when deciding what to enable, it'll look for required features (right?). One example, I forget where I heard this, is a particular shader function, possibly ARB_fragment_program (or something?) being required. Apple's list of 'supported' cards (cards that are known to have such GPU functions) might not be totally complete. After all, if the 9600 is supported, it's logical to assume that cards like the 9650 and 9800 are also supported.

mousehouse · May 10, 2005, 08:04 AM

to add confusion,

my tibook with a 64MB ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro does not support CoreImage says the System Profiler. guess when you see 'Mobility' anywhere in the name that implies 'crippled'. a well, just a few more months 'till my PM order goed out

CIA · May 10, 2005, 12:29 PM

Well, to wrap up one loose end, I have a aftermarket ATI 9800 pro in my G4, and yes, it is supported by Core image in 10.4.

Chito · May 10, 2005, 04:26 PM

I'll second the fact that the Radeon 9800 Pro in my G5 supports core image. And to wrap up another....my 15" powerbook uses an ATI Mobility Radeon 9700. And uh....no it isn't crippled.

Agent69 · May 10, 2005, 05:13 PM

Maybe it would be a good idea to have a sticky on which cards are comfirmed Core Image compatable?