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Jan 6, 2014, 02:04 AM
 

I have the horrible feeling that I’m going to have to kill you. I thought you might appreciate a drink first. I know I would.
     
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You should buy them in pairs.
     
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Jan 6, 2014, 12:49 PM
 
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Jan 6, 2014, 02:00 PM
 
Well, that or drill a hole in the desk to hide the cord. I'm flexible.
     
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Jan 6, 2014, 02:42 PM
 
If you buy five, you can hang them from the cords and create Newton's cradle. Better opt for an SSD version in that case, however.
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
     
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Jan 8, 2014, 12:05 AM
 
Could use the new MacPro and stick a Christmas tree in the center hole and put a couple of these hard drive orbs on the tree as ornaments.
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Jan 8, 2014, 03:48 AM
 
Might be useful has a paperweight if it ever fails!
     
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Jan 17, 2014, 03:32 PM
 
Does the MP fan float these?
     
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Feb 3, 2014, 06:19 AM
 
Originally Posted by DarkStarRed View Post
Might be useful has a paperweight if it ever fails!
It's a LaCie. I'd say that was pretty much a given.
     
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Feb 3, 2014, 01:42 PM
 
I've had three out of a dozen LaCie drives fail on me — in a decade. Which, honestly, is pretty okay.

The power supplies for the older d2's were failure-prone, but they replaced those for me even out of warranty, and since they've switched to standard connectors (@12V IIRC), the problems ended.

Only thing that's happened since is that two d2 drives that I'd bought at the same time about six years ago stopped working within a few days of each other. Opened them up, and saw that they were Seagate drives with nearly identical serial numbers, and a friend told me that he'd just had the same issue with a LaCie using an OEM Seagate a few months prior to me, and Seagate had recovered all his data for free because they suspected a known firmware issue that would cause the drive to stop being recognized after a fixed number of mounts.

Replaced the drives, and the LaCie parts of that disk are working just fine.

Of course, LaCie and Seagate are now one company IIRC, but then, this was over half a decade ago…

The other failed drive was a Porsche design 3.5" brick bought in, oh, about 2006. Had it sitting in a box for the last two years or so, and it now refuses to spin up.
     
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Feb 3, 2014, 04:30 PM
 
Yes I really hated those D2's. So many many failures. But have also had plenty of failures with other LaCie models. One client had a black 2 disk RAID firewire drive go bad, and a week later their backup one of the same type also went down.

As far as I'm concerned they are still too failure prone.
     
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Feb 4, 2014, 11:01 AM
 
I've had two D2s and several other LaCies (black plastic, metal + plastic): not one of them died. The reason I go back to LaCies is that they do not have fans and support spin-down of the drives. The cheap enclosures I have and had don't.
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Feb 4, 2014, 12:24 PM
 
WD Mybook is pretty good about that: The PSU is an external brick, which means that the drive itself does not need cooling beyond convection through the case (fan grilles on top and bottom).
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
     
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Feb 4, 2014, 01:18 PM
 
Nevertheless, some cases still have fans (e. g. my black Lacie or an older external drive have one). But I think I'll get a synology NAS as a next step at one point in the future: I have too many hard drives floating around.
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Feb 4, 2014, 02:37 PM
 
What about the diskless LaCie 2big NAS.? Can add drives on your own or have to get them from LaCie.?
     
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Feb 4, 2014, 03:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by angelmb View Post
What about the diskless LaCie 2big NAS.? Can add drives on your own or have to get them from LaCie.?
I don't think LaCie makes internal HDs at all. Seagate, WD and Toshiba are all that is left, I think. As noted, LaCie is going to be absorbed in Seagate if it hasn't already.
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
     
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Feb 4, 2014, 04:40 PM
 
From what I can tell, they don't have a good reputation doing NAS. Nowadays, Synology seems to be the default choice.
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Feb 4, 2014, 09:40 PM
 
Synology and QNAS are the top choices with Synology edging QNAS out (IMHO) due to GUI. Both are fantastic though.
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Feb 5, 2014, 01:55 AM
 
Originally Posted by P View Post
I don't think LaCie makes internal HDs at all. Seagate, WD and Toshiba are all that is left, I think. As noted, LaCie is going to be absorbed in Seagate if it hasn't already.
Ugh, I read my post and it makes it sound like LaCie does indeed make internal HDs which is obviously not the case. So sorry about the confusion.

I should have added a link to the spare drives that LaCie sells. I guess you can swap a new HD to any of the empty drawers that come with the LaCie 2big NAS should the need arise. That would be nice, I do that all the time with my old, trusty d2 FW drive. If you have to get them from LaCie… that would make it less interesting.
     
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Feb 5, 2014, 09:48 AM
 
I've installed quite a few hard drives in my d2 enclosures, so I reckon you can use any run-of-the-mill hard drive you can get your hands on. Avoid Segate, though.
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Feb 5, 2014, 10:08 AM
 
Some of the older d2 enclosures may require a firmware update to recognize more than 1.3 TB, though.
     
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Feb 5, 2014, 04:20 PM
 
Maybe, but I haven't run into this. What bugs me about the non-d2 enclosures is that they are hard to take apart.
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Feb 5, 2014, 04:50 PM
 
I just had two 500GB d2 quadras where the Seagate drives ran into their drive firmware bug and shat the bed, so I replaced them. The 4TB replacement was shown as 1.28 TB (IIRC) until I downloaded and ran the latest firmware updater for the d2 enclosures (2011) from a 10.7 machine (would not run on 10.9).

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a) periodically check for possible firmware updates for all hardware.
b) reduce hardware variety in studio to absolute minimum, because Hell, it's not like I don't have enough to worry about.
     
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Feb 6, 2014, 01:55 AM
 
How can you tell if a d2 comes with a Seagate drive inside? Prior to buying it, that is.
     
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Feb 6, 2014, 03:03 AM
 
Well, now that Seagate OWNS LaCie, chances are 100%.

The firmware bug I seem to have run into was on five- or six-year-old drives.

The controller update for the enclosure is a completely separate, and unrelated, process.
     
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Feb 6, 2014, 05:10 AM
 
Well, now that Seagate OWNS LaCie, chances are 100%.
d'oh! I feel so stupid after realizing that. I was temped to get either a d2 or a Rugged mini. Maybe the later due to portability issues; not sure anymore if all they come with a Seagate drive inside.
     
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Feb 6, 2014, 03:43 PM
 
Damn, I wasn't aware of that. I guess I'll go with a NAS next then.
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