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PC-RADEON8500 Flashing successe!
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May 9, 2002, 12:07 PM
 
I had successe PC-RADEON8500 with Firmware UPDATE, on My G4.

It's Very Easy.
I had used RADEON 8500 Firmware UPDATE for Flashing PC-RADEON8500.

After Flashing(Firmware UPDATE), Good Fine Work!

Try you.
     
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May 9, 2002, 12:18 PM
 
Originally posted by G4/500AGP:
<STRONG>I had successe PC-RADEON8500 with Firmware UPDATE, on My G4.

It's Very Easy.
I had used RADEON 8500 Firmware UPDATE for Flashing PC-RADEON8500.

After Flashing(Firmware UPDATE), Good Fine Work!

Try you.</STRONG>
can you give some more details, i.e. steps you took in flashing the card? i'm sure i'm not the only one who wants to know!


tr
     
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May 9, 2002, 12:38 PM
 
Very interesting..... Please give specific details about the PC Radeo Card:

1. Was it the "ATI RADEON 8500LE 64M DDR VGA/DVI/TV OEM" model?
2. Did you flash the radeon card in a "PC" ? Win98/2000/???
3. Where did you get the software to flash the pc-card?
     
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May 9, 2002, 01:11 PM
 
A friend does not trust it. But that's right.

&gt;1. Was it the "ATI RADEON 8500LE 64M DDR VGA/DVI/TV OEM" model?
No! I had used "RADEON 8500 64M DDR VGA/DVI/TV, Pure article" model.

&gt;2. Did you flash the radeon card in a "PC" ? Win98/2000/???
No! I did it G4 only.
I put radeon8500 card in AGP-slot, UltimateRez card in PCI-slot,
and I started from UltimateRez card,
and I used "8500 Firmware UPDATE".
and shutdown.
It is only this which left.

&gt;3. Where did you get the software to flash the pc-card?
It has placed ATI-site.
It's " RADEON 8500 Firmware UPDATE" , contained "RADEON8500-ROM-126".

Please try, and Fun!
     
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May 9, 2002, 01:27 PM
 
That's funny. That means that the Radeon Firmware update for Mac didn't check to see if it was a mac card, but instead overwrote the firmware with the Mac Rom. Does that mean that the cards are basically identical?

How much is a PC Radeon 8500?
Dan
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May 9, 2002, 01:51 PM
 
Originally posted by Dan Szwarc:
<STRONG>That's funny. That means that the Radeon Firmware update for Mac didn't check to see if it was a mac card, but instead overwrote the firmware with the Mac Rom. Does that mean that the cards are basically identical?

How much is a PC Radeon 8500?</STRONG>
Well thats the interesting part:

In Europe, Finland the "PC" 64mb version of The Radeon 8500 cost about 210 Euro ( about 190 $) and the Macversion is about 480 (434 US $)
     
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May 9, 2002, 02:00 PM
 
&gt;That's funny.
&gt;That means that the Radeon Firmware update for Mac didn't check to see
&gt;if it was a mac card, but instead overwrote the firmware with the Mac Rom.

However, it can write, change and do with Flasher on G4.
Think that it was deceived and do.http://www4.macnn.com/macnn/forums/smile.gif

Independently, it is splendid even if it does not believe.

Good-bye http://www4.macnn.com/macnn/forums/biggrin.gif
     
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May 9, 2002, 04:02 PM
 
SO the cards are the same? So I can buy the PC version for $200, flash it with the Mac software and save $200?
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May 9, 2002, 05:13 PM
 
this is great news if it works, now i just need to find a pci video card to use when i flash the radeon. it's just crazy how much more the mac cards are compared to the pc versions.


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May 9, 2002, 08:15 PM
 
Great News! My brother Upgraded his PC Radion to a Gforce4 and offered to GIVE me (at no cost to me) his old Radion card, i declined because flashing the ROM seamed impossible. now all i have to do is find a PCI vid card humm e-bay here I come.
     
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May 9, 2002, 10:18 PM
 
I wonder if this would work for the PCI Radeons as well...I would be interested in trading out both of my 32Mb Radeon 7000s for 64Mb versions! Anyone willing to give it a go? C'mon, it's only $80!
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May 9, 2002, 11:18 PM
 
&gt;tr
I think so what "it's just crazy how much more the mac cards are compared to the pc versions."

I thought that Can't Flashing be carried out without using PCI-card?
Although it does not know whether it is possible,
you may can use to startup item.
It's Tips that "8500 Firmware UPDATE" put in the startup item folder.
     
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May 10, 2002, 12:23 AM
 
This is wonderful news indeed. I wonder if it works with the 7000/7500 card. Be careful not to get your hopes up about flashing older ATi cards, however, because everything I've read has stated that the older cards don't allow for Mac ROMs.

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." TJ
     
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May 10, 2002, 04:57 PM
 
According to an ATI employee, early PC Radeon 8500s shipped with the same bios chips as the currently shipping Mac versions. Supposedly, current shipping PC Radeon 8500s using a smaller bios chip. The Radeon 8500 is the only PC version that this has happened in. Other Radeon cards shipped with different bios chips for the PC and Mac versions, so your chances for successfully flashing older Radeon cards is slim to none.

Source: http://bbs.xlr8yourmac.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000100.html
     
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May 10, 2002, 06:09 PM
 
So I've just bought a PCI Radeon 7000 for $110. I see PC versions of the Radeon 8500 for $120 or so on pricewatch.com. I guess now I'll just buy the PC version, flash it, and then return the PCI Radeon or send it to ebay. That's not too bad.
     
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May 10, 2002, 06:18 PM
 
G4/500AGP:

What model# is your card? The format will be something like 100-431001

Can you provide a high resolution image of the card so we can see the chip specs?

Failing that, could you look for any identifying marks, esp. the ROM?
     
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May 10, 2002, 06:21 PM
 
I should also ask what UPC# it is, it'll be something like:

7-27419-40958-2
     
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May 10, 2002, 06:25 PM
 
Actually you should first report the part# which is the 102* number. It'll be something like 102-85701-00.

Here is a list of all the numbers: http://www.ati.com/support/identify/100lookup.html

You can find the part# by following these instructions: http://www.ati.com/support/identify/102partnumber.html
     
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May 10, 2002, 11:58 PM
 
Hello, All.
Although it is about my8500 card, I bought it several days ago.
And it was the latest model(core275MHz/memory275MHz).
However, I am also hearing the talk which was successful with "LE" type.
furthermore, Isn't that ROM size became small considering "128MB-SGRAM" type?

P/N=102-8570703-055319
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Video Memory(DDR SDRAM)
@Hynix HY5DV641622AT-36

It does not understand which is FlashROM.
What carried out the form of former(for example Radeon DDR32) FlashROM is not found.
Since there is square-chip which can be regarded as that being right, the character currently written there is described.

For the chip in the upper rightF
@EYO5AY
LM2336M

For the tip in a cooling fan's lefttF
@ADV7123
JST240
0151

To a dear gentlemen sake,
It is better not to try, if you do not want to fail absolutely.

Although one is said,
When I tried, the detailed state etc. had nothing.
I still tried by curiosity.
After all information comes out fully,
I think that what is tried is the easy act anyone can do.
I have actually got no information from you.

Please trust me.
     
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May 11, 2002, 11:25 AM
 
G4/500AGP,

Where did you find the firmware update for the Radeon? On ATI's site, the only thing that I found was something called "March 2002 ATI Retail Update," but I think that this might be a driver update, not a ROM flasher.

Also, did you use a genuine ATI card, or one of the clones? There appear to be ATI cards manufactured by PowerColor (Evil Master II) and Gigabyte.

Thanks
     
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May 11, 2002, 11:34 AM
 
Originally posted by a2daj:
<STRONG>According to an ATI employee, early PC Radeon 8500s shipped with the same bios chips as the currently shipping Mac versions. Supposedly, current shipping PC Radeon 8500s using a smaller bios chip. The Radeon 8500 is the only PC version that this has happened in. Other Radeon cards shipped with different bios chips for the PC and Mac versions, so your chances for successfully flashing older Radeon cards is slim to none.

Source: http://bbs.xlr8yourmac.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000100.html</STRONG>
a2daj,

I'm a bit confused by your post. Are you saying recent PC Radeons have a different size bios than the Mac version? It would seem to me then that I would need to purchase an older PC Radeon and try to flash that. But your last sentence doesn't make any sense then. Did you mean to say: "Other ATI cards shipped with different bios chips for the PC and Mac versions, so your chances for successfully flashing older ATI cards is slim to none?"

Thanks
     
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May 11, 2002, 11:37 AM
 
a2daj,

I just reread your post, and I think I understand it now. When you said "older Radeon" cards, you were refering to the 7000 and 7500, right? For a second there I forgot that there were Radeons beside the 8500.
     
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May 11, 2002, 11:48 AM
 
G4/500AGP (or anyone who knows),

do you have a direct URL where the Radeon 8500 firmware update is located? like 01pwm, i can't find it on the ATI website.


tr
     
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May 11, 2002, 12:00 PM
 
Hi,
tr, 01pwm.

Please go, and download it.
http://ati.com/support/drivers/mac/a...c-rom-126.html

goodluck.
     
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May 11, 2002, 12:19 PM
 
Originally posted by 01pwm:
<STRONG>G4/500AGP,

Also, did you use a genuine ATI card, or one of the clones? There appear to be ATI cards manufactured by PowerColor (Evil Master II) and Gigabyte.

Thanks</STRONG>
01pwm,
Yes, I used a genuine ATI card (64M, DDR,VGA/TV/DVI,Retailbox, for PC).
also, I think It is not the ATI card manufactured by PowerColor (Evil Master II) and Gigabyte.
     
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May 11, 2002, 01:55 PM
 
Even if it does not make it start using a PCI card -- writing -- changing -- it seems that it is possible.
It is made to start putting a utility into the startup items folder in a system,
and putting only PC-Radeon8500(AGP) cards in it.
If a computer starts, while the monitor has been dark, it will write automatically,
and will change, and work will be done.
It cannot check that wrote and change has finished in the pictures. However, what is necessary must be just to reboot a computer, since it usually finishes in about 15 seconds.
     
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May 11, 2002, 05:03 PM
 
Have you tried using OS X yet?
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May 11, 2002, 07:21 PM
 
Do all of the features of the card work? Like tv/out? Have you tried a demanding game? Someone get this person the developer Jaguar to test and benchmark Quartz Extreme!

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Originally posted by Ramza:
<STRONG>Have you tried using OS X yet?</STRONG>
Ohhhhh,,,,,,sorry,
Working on OS X !
No Problem.
     
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May 11, 2002, 10:32 PM
 
After Flashing radeon8500(PC) with MacROM,
I can see the following in "Apple system profile".

[DSLOT-A(AGP) ]_____Displaycard(Display)
Card Type : ATY, DDParent
Card Name : ATY , R200Parent
Card Model : ATY ,R200
Card ROM# : 113-85710-126
Card revision : 0
Card Vender ID: 1002
VRAM : 64MB
     
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May 12, 2002, 12:49 AM
 
Apparently another has had success in flashing his PC Radeon 8500 DDR (128 MB)
http://bbs.xlr8yourmac.com/ubb/Forum.../000100-2.html
     
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May 12, 2002, 01:33 AM
 
Originally posted by X704:
<STRONG>Apparently another has had success in flashing his PC Radeon 8500 DDR (128 MB)
http://bbs.xlr8yourmac.com/ubb/Forum.../000100-2.html</STRONG>
Congratulations,a friend.
Therefore, I was said that PC8500card ROM flashinge was made.
I am glad as I had what I had said believed.
     
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May 12, 2002, 01:36 AM
 
However,
an overall speed is felt later than GeForce3 for Mac.

Add,
TV-OUT is OK!!!!

[ 05-12-2002: Message edited by: G4/500AGP ]
     
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May 13, 2002, 12:40 PM
 
By the following methods,
We succeeded in Firmwear updating also.

1)
Drop The RADEON 8500 Firmware UPDATE in your "Startup item" folder, in system folder.
Then Shutdown Your G4.

2)
Put PC-RADEON8500 in the AGP slot. (PCI does not use it.)
Then Start your G4.

3)
Although nothing is reflected in a screen, updating is performed automatically.
After 1 minutes or more pass, turn off Your computer.

4)
Then, A monitor cable is tied to RADEON8500 and,
you will start a computer.

Since nothing is reflected in a screen, although it becomes uneasy,
It is the simple method which does not need to use a PCI Video card.
     
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May 13, 2002, 02:48 PM
 
I WANT TO TRY THIS!

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May 15, 2002, 09:42 AM
 
An important Warning to ANYBODY trying this on CHEAP 8500 PC cards.
The cheap cards are usualy 8500LE's (used by OEM's, and sold by PC parts store's as cheap versions), these cards can have smaller BIOS chips and WILL NOT BE FLASHABLE TO MAC CARDS after the atempted flashing they may not even work in PC's.
I got a Radion card from my brother & flashing it before reading the axcelarate your mac thread and descovered it dosent work (it had a black board instead of the usuall green & no ATI markings on the card it's self).

I just hope that either nothing has been done to the card or it can be flashd back to a PC card ro else I am out 100 .
     
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May 15, 2002, 10:27 AM
 
Are there any Applications that can overclock Mac videocards?

I have one for my PC, but cant find one for my mac...
CHRIS SMITH

     
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May 15, 2002, 12:06 PM
 
Lastday,
My friend succeeded in Flashing with the "LE-LE" version what have core230MHz/memory460MHz.
It was bulk .....in white box, thought that it is a ATI genine product.

It seems that the product whose flashing is possible has also appeared on the market in inside although it thought that rewriting could not do the '8500 LE" version.
     
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May 15, 2002, 11:27 PM
 
I reported yesterday that my friend succeeded in flashting with the "LE-LE" version.
It seems that a thing with the usually same memory speed 3.6ns as a version is in the "LE" version.
Seemingly the PC-Radeon 8500card which my friend bought is the cheap product bought after checking with the "LE-LE" version in the store. However, also unexpectedly, the card carried the memory for 3.6ns.
When We buy the "LE" version, it is likely to be necessary to check the speed of the carried memory.
Seemingly, especially un-arranging has not occurred, after flashing the card of the "LE" version, in order for him to say.
     
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May 15, 2002, 11:28 PM
 
Originally posted by G4/500AGP:
<STRONG>By the following methods,
We succeeded in Firmwear updating also.

1)
Drop The RADEON 8500 Firmware UPDATE in your "Startup item" folder, in system folder.
Then Shutdown Your G4.

2)
Put PC-RADEON8500 in the AGP slot. (PCI does not use it.)
Then Start your G4.

3)
Although nothing is reflected in a screen, updating is performed automatically.
After 1 minutes or more pass, turn off Your computer.

4)
Then, A monitor cable is tied to RADEON8500 and,
you will start a computer.

Since nothing is reflected in a screen, although it becomes uneasy,
It is the simple method which does not need to use a PCI Video card.</STRONG>
G4/500AGP, did you update the 8500 using OS 9 or OS X?


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