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Feathers · Apr 14, 2003, 06:38 PM

Looking at the three or four "When is the new iBook coming?" threads, I don't think I noticed anyone suggest that with a NEW architecture for the iBook, you can probably kiss goodbye to booting in native OS9. Personally, I'd still like to keep that for a while. - Any opinions?

I'm like a coiled spring with cash in hand waiting for this next revision. Oh! and I did accurately predict the last one, much to the happiness of a friend of mine. Unfortunately, he also bought an 800mhz 17" iMac at the same time (December '02) and I didn't see THAT January revison coming!!!

jokell82 · Apr 14, 2003, 08:33 PM

Who cares? OS 9 runs fast enough on the hardware that's out there. Use a current machine...

I'd rather not have to wipe the hard drive clean on my next iBook, so I'm glad to see OS 9 go...

x user · Apr 14, 2003, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by jokell82:
Who cares? OS 9 runs fast enough on the hardware that's out there. Use a current machine...

I'd rather not have to wipe the hard drive clean on my next iBook, so I'm glad to see OS 9 go...

SERIOUSLY, I can't get rid of this damn OS 9 on my new 800mhz...

arclight · Apr 14, 2003, 08:51 PM

I too am glad to see the passing of OS 9. It served me well but the shortcomings of OS X and Apple hardware will be mended quicker if Apple can focus on the future (without regard to a legacy OS). There are clearly some weak areas of OS X that hardcore OS 9 users gripe about but change is good for the platform. It gets better with every update.

this thread will probably be moved

Lateralus · Apr 14, 2003, 09:20 PM

I too agree that 100% of Apples OS development effort needs to be with OS X, and it already is so there isnt much to say about that.

That said, I see no reason why Apple should disable OS 9 booting on machines that will be released in the immediate future. The OS is already finished, there is no reason why Apple should have to do any work on it, so why not allow machines to continue booting into it? Fact of that matter is that there are millions of users who still have a large OS 9-only software collection, or that simply love to play around with OS 9 like myself.

At the very least, I think that OS 9 bootability should be allowed on the least OS X capable machines... the iBooks.

jokell82 · Apr 14, 2003, 09:26 PM

Apple doesn't disable the booting of OS 9. They've just stopped updating it. Current PowerBooks and PowerMacs don't have something that keeps them from running OS 9, it's OS 9 that can't run on them...

I'd rather have Apple not update OS 9 anymore, and I don't think they're going to...

Lateralus · Apr 14, 2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by jokell82:
Current PowerBooks and PowerMacs don't have something that keeps them from running OS 9, it's OS 9 that can't run on them...

Then why can you special order OS-9 bootable PowerMacs that say "Mac OS 9 boot supported"?

If OS 9 was capable of running on the last PowerMac revision, then it is certainly capable of running on the current revision because there have been pretty much no architectual changes.

jetta_gt · Apr 14, 2003, 09:42 PM

I avoid OS9 like the plague...

It's like an old friend that you got sick of, but now you bump into them everywhere and it's awkward...

jokell82 · Apr 14, 2003, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
Then why can you special order OS-9 bootable PowerMacs that say "Mac OS 9 boot supported"?

If OS 9 was capable of running on the last PowerMac revision, then it is certainly capable of running on the current revision because there have been pretty much no architectual changes.

Check those special orders, they're really the previous PowerMacs...

And no architectural changes? FW800? Airport Extreme? I'm not sure of all the technical aspects of it, but this has been discussed in the PowerMac forum... There's something in OS 9 that has to be updated, I think the boot rom or something like that...

Feathers · Apr 15, 2003, 07:28 AM

Ok, some of the replies seem to have missed the point a bit. It's not a 9 vs X debate here. The simple fact is that a lot of people who have owned Macs for more than just a few years have peripherals and cool apps that are not fully supported in X and won't run in classic. One point well made was the fact that Apple is now offering OS9 boot on desktop machines as an extra "expensive" feature, so it's nothing to do with hardware, that's just a lame Apple excuse to leverage hardware against software (or vice-versa!). I'm not asking for them to continue updating 9 either. There's also handy(and safer) ways of hacking X through 9 rather than going through terminal with sudo!

The question perhaps becomes, would you trade the sometime ability to boot directly into 9 against minor hardware performance gains?

jokell82 · Apr 15, 2003, 11:40 AM

You're missing the point, it DOES have something to do with the hardware. The extra "expensive" OS 9 option is just the PowerMacs from the previous revision. Just go look in the PowerMac and PowerBook forums, this has already been explained... OS 9 will not boot on new Macs because it has to be updated to do so. Why do you think that when new hardware is released it has a different build of OS X than the current build?

The point is, in order to allow OS 9 booting on the new macs, they'd have to update OS 9. That's not going to happen...

Feathers · Apr 15, 2003, 12:08 PM

I'll repeat the question (again) for the hard of thinking.

Originally posted by Feathers:

Would you trade the sometime ability to boot directly into 9 against minor hardware performance gains?

jokell82 · Apr 15, 2003, 01:27 PM

Cute, here's my answer. I wish OS 9 would go away so people would stop bitching about it... I welcome the newest iBook revision to finally see the death of OS 9.

Speaking of hard of thinking, you'll repeat the question again? What do you think repeat means?

stew · Apr 16, 2003, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Feathers:
The question perhaps becomes, would you trade the sometime ability to boot directly into 9 against minor hardware performance gains?

Why do you think I bought the 800MHz iBook instead of waiting for a faster iBook?
I like OS X, bu t I like OS 9 too, and I have quite some OS 9-only audio software that won't run inside Classic.

wataru · Apr 16, 2003, 09:14 AM

There's no question as to whether or not the next rev will end OS 9 support--it will. Period. We've known this for quite a while because Apple said so. Now we can all move on...

Feathers · Apr 16, 2003, 07:14 PM

I didn't ask nor could I care less whether or not you like MacOS 9.0. Thankfully stew both a)understood the question and b)provided a constructive answer.

To put things in perspective, it has been suggested that because of both the iBook and the eMac's extensive use within educational channels which Apple do not wish to alienate further, ditching 9 from these mightn't be a good idea, yet!

I'm reckoning that when the new machines are posted on the store, there'll still be some of the old ones floating around a few retailers, so there should be a small window of opportunity to choose between the two. A variation of the question then is:

What are the trade-offs given that "there is no harm in being able to boot in to 9"?

P.S. It is possible to repeat something more than once and thereby repeat it, uh let me see now, what's the word? Oh, I know, it's...AGAIN!!!!!!!

jokell82 · Apr 16, 2003, 09:23 PM

Hey dumbass, you only repeated it once. I can quote it for you if you want...

You fail to understand that there IS harm in booting into OS 9, because in order for the new revision to be able to do this, Apple would have to update OS 9. They aren't going to do this, they've said it numerous times. And I agree with their decision, there should be no more effort put into developing OS 9. If you really need OS 9 functionality, you'll have to deal with the current hardware (which seems to run OS 9 pretty damn quick). When the update comes out, you'll more than likely be able to buy the previous revision as a refurbished product in the "special deals" section of the apple store...