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threestain · May 7, 2003, 08:51 AM

How do I do this? I know its the wrong forum, but everyone's been ignoring me in the networking one!

Right I have a WinXP box, and a TiBook. I do have a network in the house, but the router is miles away from the two, and I don't want to run another cable through everything.

I would like to set up a firewire connection between them - both have the ports. I did find something in Apple help but lost it again. Will target mode make my TiBook work on the XP?

Help please!

b3t4 · May 7, 2003, 08:55 AM

As far as i understand the target mode, your titanium acts as normal external harddrive.
so no extra software required.

but there is a problem with this nice and open Microshit Windows. It doesn't support other formats then its own. so you need to make windows able to read hfs+ drives cause your harddrive is hfs+. so i think there are tools like macdrive or hfssupport or something like this that enables your windows box to read hfs filessystem.
if you have done that it should work.

beta

wanderlust · May 7, 2003, 08:56 AM

Try connecting the two computers together with the firewire cable, first starting the TiBook with the "T" key held down so it starts in firewire disk mode, then starting up your XP box. I'm not sure XP will mount the Ti, but it's worth a first shot. If this doesn't work, ask again and I'm sure there will be other suggestions.

threestain · May 7, 2003, 09:57 AM

I've tried starting up in target disk mode, and that hasn't seemed to work. Also, I would prefer to be able to use both computers at the same time if possible. I know you can do this networking on pcs, as two of my housemates have, but can you do it with a pc and a mac?

drmbb2 · May 7, 2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by threestain:
I've tried starting up in target disk mode, and that hasn't seemed to work. Also, I would prefer to be able to use both computers at the same time if possible. I know you can do this networking on pcs, as two of my housemates have, but can you do it with a pc and a mac?

Sounds like you want IP over Firewire, which is built into Windows XP. Apple has (had ?) a preview release of a similar thing, available to ADC members at the developers site .

threestain · May 7, 2003, 11:42 AM

That sounds like the bubba. I'm not an ADC member, so can someone mail it or im it to me or something? Or can I download it using the free ADC online membership?

Cheers!

russell_w · May 7, 2003, 12:06 PM

I have tried various things with WinXP pro and my TiBook over firewire; finally just plugged a network cable inbetween the two directly and shared files that way; it was about 10 minutes to back up a 1 Gig folder.

You just share a folder on windows or the mac and find the other using Finder/Explorer.

Russell

Eug · May 7, 2003, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by drmbb2:
Sounds like you want IP over Firewire, which is built into Windows XP. Apple has (had ?) a preview release of a similar thing, available to ADC members at the developers site .

I tried this and it worked. However, the speed is similar to 100 Mbps Ethernet. Stick with Ethernet since there are some reports out there of fried Firewire ports on the Macs doing this.

Target mode is faster, but of course the only reason my setup works for target mode is because I have MacDrive installed on the PC.

Mohammed Al-Sabah · May 7, 2003, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by b3t4:
As far as i understand the target mode, your titanium acts as normal external harddrive.
so no extra software required.

but there is a problem with this nice and open Microshit Windows. It doesn't support other formats then its own. so you need to make windows able to read hfs+ drives cause your harddrive is hfs+. so i think there are tools like macdrive or hfssupport or something like this that enables your windows box to read hfs filessystem.
if you have done that it should work.

beta

LOL MicroSHIT ( like it )

yeah i tried doing that once Windows doesnt read my HD :'(

BkueKanoodle · May 7, 2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Mohammed Al-Sabah:
LOL MicroSHIT ( like it )

yeah i tried doing that once Windows doesnt read my HD :'(

Why blame microsoft? Because you can? Does Apple write drivers for the NTFS file system?

Windows has to work on such a wide range of hardware, so often Microsoft will leave it up to the peripheral manufacturer to writer drivers. In this case that would be Apple. If you want to b**ch, Blame apple.

Furthermore, IP over firewire works fine on the Windows side, its apple that is lacking in making it work for the general OS x work. So whose fault is it now?

Its easy to make Microsoft the Boogy man for all your computer problems, it doesn't mean its accurate.

And no, target disk mode does not make your make act like a "normal disk drive," or windows would recognize it as such and tell you the disk was not formatted. Theres 2 problems here. 1) Apple needs to release a driver to allow windows to recognize Apples proprietary hardware, AND 2) they need to write a HFS+ file system driver for Windows. I don't see them doing either any time soon. Apple is no more Open then windows, in fact its much more tightly controlled hardware environment.

wanderlust · May 7, 2003, 04:37 PM

Easy there Bill. This is a mac forum, you're going to see comments like this, it's part of the community, I'm sure you understand that. And as for being proprietary and closed, that's true enough...and there are good reasons for that on both sides. As the computer world becomes more standardized, we'll see compatibility issues like this melt slowly away.

Eug · May 7, 2003, 05:18 PM

And no, target disk mode does not make your make act like a "normal disk drive," or windows would recognize it as such and tell you the disk was not formatted.

Yes it does. Windows recognizes it and tells you the disk is not formatted. Or if you have MacDrive installed, it will work fine with native HFS+. See above.

threestain · May 7, 2003, 05:59 PM

Thank you people!

I think that it is silly that both companies don't get together and sort it out.

Anyway, what's the deal with the burnt out firewire ports?

dettociao · May 7, 2003, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by threestain:
Anyway, what's the deal with the burnt out firewire ports?

Some people have reported burnt firewire ports using IPoF or IP over Firewire. I personally have not seen it but would stear clear till it is all figured out.

Alphy · May 8, 2003, 03:20 AM

Hello,

Target mode only works on Macs. There is no such thing on the Windows operating system.

You will have to manually set up ip addresses in both windows XP and OS X. Then you will have to allow sharing on both operating systems. You will connect to the pc shared files by smb or you can use something like Dave 4.x.

On OSX there is a sharing option in your system preferences and also you must go into your account information and make sure you allow use to log on from windows option checked. Or you can use Dave as well. Dave makes it a lot easier on the mac side as apple only allows you to share your shared directory folder unless you want to use unix to set the sharing permissions. Also make sure your mac smb is configuered to the same workgroup name as your windows or you will not be able to see it in network neighbourhood.

If you want to share the internet you can easily do that in windows XP using your firewire port by using the network wizard which will create a bridge for you. All you have to do on your mac is set the firewire to get the ip via DHCP.

It's not microsoft that is silly in this situation. They have had firewire network for a long time and it worked from day one. Point the blame to apple who hasn't even released a new beta. Also the driver isn't very optimised so it is quite processor hog. If you want performance I suggest you buy Unibrain firewire network software. It works great for the Mac.

Keep in mind also Apple has chosen to cripple ip over firewire that it only runs at 100 Mbps than the 400 that it could. You can check the keynote presentation on the apple site for more information. There is a full video presentation about it.

Eug · May 8, 2003, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by Alphy:
Target mode only works on Macs. There is no such thing on the Windows operating system.

I shall repeat again. Yes, target on a Mac mode works when hooked up to a PC, but with some limitations.

Alphy · May 8, 2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Eug:
I shall repeat again. Yes, target on a Mac mode works when hooked up to a PC, but with some limitations.

It isn't a good idea to confuse mac users any further. Target mode is a mac term. There is no such thing as a "Target Mode" in Windows.

I understand where you're trying to come from and yes, your method works.

Vond · May 9, 2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Alphy:
It isn't a good idea to confuse mac users any further. Target mode is a mac term. There is no such thing as a "Target Mode" in Windows.

There's no such thing as "Target Mode" in Mac OS either - you probably realize this but it's a function of the firmware, not the OS. I wish PC makers would build it into their firmware as well. There's absolutely no reason it's not possible.