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Fabiano007 · Jul 30, 2003, 02:52 PM

Help!!!

Will Panther run in a 300MHz iBook?
Do I have to max ram to get 'usable'* performance?
Wattabout the 4mb vram, will it handle the new cat?

Thanx 4 any advices or suggestions...

The Placid Casual · Jul 30, 2003, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Fabiano007:
Help!!!

Will Panther run in a 300MHz iBook?
Do I have to max ram to get 'usable'* performance?
Wattabout the 4mb vram, will it handle the new cat?

Thanx 4 any advices or suggestions...

Hmmm, I think it *will* run... or at least it is supported.

I would get as much RAM as you can squeeze in the machine and see how it goes.

As for VRAM, it makes no odds as you haven't got enough for Quartz Extreme. All the graphics stuff will be done by the processor... another reason to get shed loads of RAM.

I plan on running Panther on a iBook 466 so am too hoping for at least usable performance...

Anyone out there tried the Beta on a Clamshell?

Peter · Jul 31, 2003, 04:49 AM

I'd have thought it would run, but dont expect any of the glitzy user switching stuff, and expos� will be a bit of a dog

I would have thought though, it would be much faster than Jaguar on a clamshell.

slider · Jul 31, 2003, 05:02 AM

You have got to be kidding, running OS X on a 300Mhz with 4MB of vram. Are you running Jag now? How's that working out? They say there will be speed improvements, but I would be floored if it was enough to make the iBook usable. I'd like to see it though. I have the same set up as The Placid Casual with the ram maxed at 576MB, I feel Jaguar runs fine on it as long as you don't ask it to do too many things at once, I am hoping that the speed improvements I have been hearing about come through. Honestly, I would do a clean install of OS 9.2.2 on that iBook, install Office 98 and Netscape and Outlook for email. That is a very productive system for web and Office stuff. I think X is too much for that machine, that is the advise that I have been giving out, but if you do it, definately let us know, I am curious. In fact if I had a 300iBook I would probably install just to see it work. Hmm, I am sure it will work, just not be usable for anything worth while.

radarbob · Jul 31, 2003, 07:15 AM

You have got to be kidding, running OS X on a 300Mhz

I do it every day. I'm running OS 10.2.2. Of course it's slower than the newer iBook models (and they're ALL newer!) but it's usable.

And Fabiano, definitely max out the memory. And I mean get a 512MB RAM module. I know the Apple.com specs for our iBook says 256MB is the max, but I'm living proof that 512MB works. It DOES make a difference- when you have more that about 2 apps open.

You'll also need around 1GB of disk space.

ValVashon · Aug 4, 2003, 04:29 PM

What are the specs on that 512 MB module, and where did you get it? I know there are different sizes of the notebook memory.

I, too, have a clamshell and am getting Jaguar this week.

Val

kdixey · Aug 4, 2003, 08:41 PM

I'm also running Jaguar on a 466 clamshell with 576mb RAM, but I added a larger HD as well (a 40gb 5400rpm Toshiba) and overall it works pretty well for web surfing, e-mail, word processing and the occasional bit of FileMaker work. Even Photoshop is not too terrible (although the 800x600 screen can be a real pain).

Anyway...my point is that a bigger faster HD than the stock 6 or 10gb in the clamshell is pretty much a neccesity for runiing Jaguar.

slider · Aug 6, 2003, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by kdixey:
I'm also running Jaguar on a 466 clamshell with 576mb RAM, but I added a larger HD as well (a 40gb 5400rpm Toshiba) and overall it works pretty well for web surfing, e-mail, word processing and the occasional bit of FileMaker work. Even Photoshop is not too terrible (although the 800x600 screen can be a real pain).

Anyway...my point is that a bigger faster HD than the stock 6 or 10gb in the clamshell is pretty much a neccesity for runiing Jaguar.

Well, I would disagree with "needing" a faster HD to run Jag, but I am interested in doing the upgrade myself. Although, I probably won't bother as I am getting a new PowerBook this fall. I am loaning my iBook to a friend after that. If I up the HD, it'll be for fun. I need a life.

radarbob · Aug 6, 2003, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by ValVashon:
What are the specs on that 512 MB module, and where did you get it? I know there are different sizes of the notebook memory.

I, too, have a clamshell and am getting Jaguar this week.

Val

goto www.4allmemory.com On the front page you will see, in big letters, "begin your search here." Through a series of drop down boxes you will eventually select your exact iBook model. The web site will tell you what memory modules they have for that specific model. Worked like a charm. I also bought my IBM 40GB internal hard drive replacement from them. Good, prompt service.

radarbob · 07:21 AM

Well, I would disagree with "needing" a faster HD to run Jag, but I am interested in doing the upgrade myself. Although, I probably won't bother as I am getting a new PowerBook this fall. I am loaning my iBook to a friend after that. If I up the HD, it'll be for fun. I need a life.

I agree w/ the disagreement. There is no "need for speed." Let's face it OS X will be no speed demon on the RevA/B iBooks no matter what we do. I upgraded my HD not for speed, but for size. The OS X install will take well over 1 GB, then there's all the other nifty apps, then all those OS 9 apps, then I did a complete separate OS 9 install.... So now I have all that and 40+ music albums on iTunes. Still have 26 GB to spare.

BigDaddy · Aug 7, 2003, 08:35 PM

I have a 300 ibook as well with 160mb or ram running 10.2.6. It is slow but not too bad.

PHoynak · Aug 8, 2003, 02:30 AM

Panther will run. No matter what it is better than Windows. Try running XP on a older PC and it runs like crud. The 1st iBooks made me get my first mac, and 5 more since. Now my daughter may be getting a used iBook for her birthday. Macs generally remain viable much longer than the PC's of the same age.

danengel · Aug 8, 2003, 04:00 AM

I've got an old 300 MHz iBook with 160 MB of RAM and the stock 3 GB disk. It runs daily apps well, Mail, Safari, LaTeX, Emacs, even iTunes. You have to throw away all that printer-driver crap and desktop images, so I have about 400 MB free on the disk.

Of course it's no difference to my Dual 1.25 G4

but I couldn't give it away, it's so sweet!

kdixey · Aug 13, 2003, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by radarbob:
I agree w/ the disagreement. There is no "need for speed." Let's face it OS X will be no speed demon on the RevA/B iBooks no matter what we do. I upgraded my HD not for speed, but for size. The OS X install will take well over 1 GB, then there's all the other nifty apps, then all those OS 9 apps, then I did a complete separate OS 9 install.... So now I have all that and 40+ music albums on iTunes. Still have 26 GB to spare.

Okay, I suppose I was a bit zealous in saying that you NEED a faster HD, but the faster HD wasn't that much more money so it seemed like a pretty simple decision. Also, while OS X on a clamshell is not a barn burner it is pretty useable for day to day activities (and it sure feels faster with the maxed out RAM and bigger HD than it was in stock form).

Fabiano007 · Aug 13, 2003, 01:20 PM

THANKS A LOT FOR THE ADVICES!

I'll max ram out and maybe try a bigger HD.
My iBook 800 became a whole new machine when I maxed the ram.

In case the new cat is no "usable" at all, I will take Slider's advice: clean install of 9.2.2, It will be a nice office an internet machine with 320mb.

Again: Thanks Folks!