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Link · Aug 2, 2003, 05:52 AM

Ya know, yes, this is a stupid post..

BUt I'd like to say for those who are still waiting (but considering to bend in and buy a tibok).

just wait!

You've waited 8 months already.. surely you can wait another month or so right?

It's just gotta happen soon.

Group51 · Aug 2, 2003, 09:35 AM

Too right.

My hair is falling out now (I'm waitng for a 1 Ghz 12" (pref. with L3 and DVI a bonus).

After nothing a WWDC, MacWorld, Siggraph or ANYTHING, I've decided just to eBay all my peripherals so I can buy afresh when the time comes:

My boxed copy of 10.2
My USB web cams
My Canon Printer (S450)
My Pocket TV

Gotta do...SOMETHING!

iWrite · Aug 2, 2003, 09:38 AM

It's pretty darned sad.

Apple is really pathetic. Sorry, gotta say it. "The Year of the Powerbook." Yeah, RIGHT.

The ONLY reason they have ANY sales lately is because there isn't any other game in town with OS X! If there was a company that could bring OS X over to a faster box then people would stop buying Apple Crappola altogether -- that's why Apple made sure that couldn't happen.

8 months? Pretty pathetic.

Seriously.

osxisfun · Aug 2, 2003, 09:44 AM

> Apple is really pathetic

Yes. We don't want to blame motorola for this now do we? Blame canada, Blame apple. Works everytime.

>If there was a company that could bring OS X

there isn't a compnay that can do that besides apple. and in the long run. that's a good thing.

iWrite · Aug 2, 2003, 09:51 AM

What the heck does Motorola have to do with this? Motorola doesn't own or run Apple! Apple knew there was a problem 3 years ago and still stuck with Motorola -- THEY BUY THE CHIPS FROM MOTOROLA, PERIOD.

If a vendor or supplier cannot keep up with technology and keep current then the company buying from them has a choice: Stay with old technology or find someone else.

Nobody FORCES Apple to buy from Motorola...Apple makes that choice all on their own.

juanpacolopez · Aug 2, 2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by iWrite:
It's pretty darned sad.

Apple is really pathetic. Sorry, gotta say it. "The Year of the Powerbook." Yeah, RIGHT.

The ONLY reason they have ANY sales lately is because there isn't any other game in town with OS X! If there was a company that could bring OS X over to a faster box then people would stop buying Apple Crappola altogether -- that's why Apple made sure that couldn't happen.

8 months? Pretty pathetic.

Seriously.

Uhhh... last I checked Apple was selling through Powerbooks like it was going out of style. Not just because they run OSX, but because on a features/cost ratio they often match their PC counterparts, and look SO MUCH BETTER.

Apple's hardware may not be the FASTEST game in town... but you show me 1 PC maker that puts stuff out of NEARLY the same quality (both in design and actualy construction). The only one I can think of is IBM... and guess who's making chips for Apple these days?

The Placid Casual · Aug 2, 2003, 10:14 AM

8 months waiting? That's 8 months someone could have been using a kick ass TiBook

MacNStein · Aug 2, 2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by iWrite:
It's pretty darned sad.

Apple is really pathetic. Sorry, gotta say it. "The Year of the Powerbook." Yeah, RIGHT.

The ONLY reason they have ANY sales lately is because there isn't any other game in town with OS X! If there was a company that could bring OS X over to a faster box then people would stop buying Apple Crappola altogether -- that's why Apple made sure that couldn't happen.

8 months? Pretty pathetic.

Seriously.

You've turned anti-Apple rather quickly. Businesses make mistakes (ie. Sticking with Motorola). All things considered, and compared to other computer companies, Apple has an excellent track record for selling top-notch products.

The Placid Casual · Aug 2, 2003, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by iWrite:
What the heck does Motorola have to do with this? Motorola doesn't own or run Apple! Apple knew there was a problem 3 years ago and still stuck with Motorola -- THEY BUY THE CHIPS FROM MOTOROLA, PERIOD.

If a vendor or supplier cannot keep up with technology and keep current then the company buying from them has a choice: Stay with old technology or find someone else.

Nobody FORCES Apple to buy from Motorola...Apple makes that choice all on their own.

Apple did make a choice. IBM.

You don't design a new chip in a few months, the G5 is the fruit of years of development.

Apple lost faith with Motorola years ago but it has taken time for the conditions to be right to change.

There are great things a foot, all that is needed is time.

Peace,

Marc

osxisfun · Aug 2, 2003, 11:09 AM

currently scum-o-rola has EVERYTHING to do with the powerbook. the chip speed, supply and bus speed has EVERYTHING to do with motorola.

> If a vendor or supplier cannot keep up with >technology and keep current then the >company buying from them has a choice: >Stay with old technology or find someone else.

You don't actually believe this do you? You do know that it takes years to switch chip suppliers? If you are apple and moto was saying we can make X by Y then they come back to you 3 months before the due date and say sorry. do you expect to pull chips out of the air?

> Nobody FORCES Apple to buy from Motorola..

Oh really? Then you can name another compatible mac chip that will drop into the powerbook and won't violtate contracts with moto? And this can be done in no time flat?

Apple has made the decision to switch to the IBM G5. First the desktops. then the powerbooks. It has taken years but the fruits are starting to bloom.

Until then the powerbooks are being held hostage by moto and there is only so much apple can do.

slow moe · Aug 2, 2003, 11:14 AM

> Apple is really pathetic. Sorry, gotta say it. "The Year of the Powerbook." Yeah, RIGHT.

Yeah. A 12" model and a 17" model where added to the PowerBook lineup this year, but forget that, I'm just going to cry until I get a new 15" AlBook.

iDORK · Aug 2, 2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by iWrite:
What the heck does Motorola have to do with this? Motorola doesn't own or run Apple! Apple knew there was a problem 3 years ago and still stuck with Motorola -- THEY BUY THE CHIPS FROM MOTOROLA, PERIOD.

If a vendor or supplier cannot keep up with technology and keep current then the company buying from them has a choice: Stay with old technology or find someone else.

Nobody FORCES Apple to buy from Motorola...Apple makes that choice all on their own.

Agreed!

The Placid Casual · Aug 2, 2003, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by iDORK:
Agreed!

Without wishing to be flippant, you clearly have no idea how these things work.

You cannot just switch. Be the switch from Moto to IBM, PowerPC to x86. These things take years to accomplish.

Also Apple was very probably contracted (and still is) to Moto for a term of years, or a certain number of produced chips... Regardless of events, these agreements cannot be easily broken.

I think Apple has done amazingly well to get IBM 970s in the Powermac as soon as it has all things considered...

G5s will gradually appear throughout the range, it will just take time and R&D.

Lateralus · Aug 2, 2003, 11:56 AM

Agreed!

acadian · Aug 2, 2003, 01:34 PM

Expect one more bump to the line before the G5 appears, most likely in this scenario:

Sept: 1Ghz 12", 1.2 Ghz 15", 1.4 Ghz 17"

that will carry to January 2004 when we will most likely see a G5 in the books.

juanpacolopez · Aug 2, 2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by iWrite:
What the heck does Motorola have to do with this? Motorola doesn't own or run Apple! Apple knew there was a problem 3 years ago and still stuck with Motorola -- THEY BUY THE CHIPS FROM MOTOROLA, PERIOD.

If a vendor or supplier cannot keep up with technology and keep current then the company buying from them has a choice: Stay with old technology or find someone else.

Nobody FORCES Apple to buy from Motorola...Apple makes that choice all on their own.

As everyone else has pointed out... this is just plain silly. Making a change as large as CPU supplier in a business as large as Apple isn't a simple matter by ANY means.

When DID you become so anti-Apple iWrite? Hubby's Vaio sending out Bill Gates' subliminal brainwashing messages too much? I'm mostly kidding... just seems like you've been chiming in with very negative things to say about Apple ALOT lately... I for one think Apple has never been doing better.

My reasoning is this... I never would have considered a Mac pre OSX, neither would many of my friends who I went to college with. However, now that X is out (and especially since Jag) myself and many of the people I know and associate with are switching. More and more people are realizing how great X really is, and jumping ship accordingly.

Hardware limitations that you seem to think are SO severe didn't stop us from switching... and we're all what you'd call "power" users; 2 professional programmers (Java), 2 sysadmins, and 1 engineer. Between us we've bought 1 iBook, 4 Ti's and 1 12" Alu... not a single one of us finds our machines "slow" or "underpowered"... the graces of OSX outweigh any performance hit, either perceived or otherwise. Even IF a Mac is running "slower" than a Windows machine, I'll still get my work done faster due to the elegance and simplicity of OSX.

Earth Mk. II · Aug 2, 2003, 02:09 PM

Ok, you can wait all you want, but honestly... how much of a difference will ~0.24 GHz make in your life?

To just put off buying something because there *might* be an upgrade to it before you need to buy it is just foolish. Look, the guts of the thing won't be all that different and for 90% of the stuff you do on a laptop, you probably won't notice a difference anyway.

A 15" AlBook won't bring you mad hot women. A 15" AlBook won't bring you fame and popularity. A 15" AlBook does not make you a better person. Don't put your friggen' life on hold for a friggen' computer.

If we were looking at a major update here, I'd understand. But we're not, so get over yourself and just buy something that's probably going to end up being lighter on your checkbook anyway.

Especially if you're buying something for school - I really recommend that you not wait. Not only will you be buying it later, but you'll probably have to wait longer for the thing to ship, 'specially if you BTO. With most colleges beginning classes before the end of this month, you're really getting down to the wire.

The Placid Casual · Aug 2, 2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Earth Mk. II:
Ok, you can wait all you want, but honestly... how much of a difference will ~0.24 GHz make in your life?

To just put off buying something because there *might* be an upgrade to it before you need to buy it is just foolish. Look, the guts of the thing won't be all that different and for 90% of the stuff you do on a laptop, you probably won't notice a difference anyway.

A 15" AlBook won't bring you mad hot women. A 15" AlBook won't bring you fame and popularity. A 15" AlBook does not make you a better person. Don't put your friggen' life on hold for a friggen' computer.

If we were looking at a major update here, I'd understand. But we're not, so get over yourself and just buy something that's probably going to end up being lighter on your checkbook anyway.

Especially if you're buying something for school - I really recommend that you not wait. Not only will you be buying it later, but you'll probably have to wait longer for the thing to ship, 'specially if you BTO. With most colleges beginning classes before the end of this month, you're really getting down to the wire.

Couldn't agree more.

Although I'm kind of upset at the lack of the mad hot women...

shabbasuraj · 03:24 PM

one positive to buying now is there are many deals and rebates that can be taken advantage of....

just recently, two days before I got my 12" apple increased their educational rebate to $200 USD, which is large cash in CDN funds....

so that was a bonus, plus $20 USD off a extreme card was also nice for an educational bonus...

in addition there is the $200 USD rebate if you buy any iPOD along with your apple notebook which essentially makes for a $100 iPOD (10 gig model)....

lates...

PS: to the member in this thread who mentioned to blame Canada for no Al15", I hope you were kidding, as Canada really had no part in that at all..LOL....

......blame Canada for any other number of things but not that...hehehheheeee...(I live in Toronto....)

just aside anyone go to "SCARS-stock"...I missed it as I am currently in the US...

lates (again)...

Group51 · Aug 2, 2003, 04:01 PM

So shoot me! I can afford to wait, I just had no idea I'd be waiting so long for Motorola to pull their finger out.

osxisfun · Aug 2, 2003, 04:18 PM

PS: to the member in this thread who mentioned to blame Canada for no Al15", I hope you were kidding, as Canada really had no part in that at all..LOL.... ......blame Canada for any other number of things but not that...hehehheheeee...(I live in Toronto....)

I was kidding. isn't that part of of joke in the cartoon with the rude kids...

I LOVE canada.

LeeG · Aug 2, 2003, 04:33 PM

Well, I have to agree, I haven't been WAITING for 8 months for an update, I started looking this summer, and it has BEEN 8 months, so it seems the 12" is ripe for an update.

And I agree - 0.24GHz is not going to make any difference in my experience, and sure, the rebates will disappear when the new models come out "full-priced" (the EDU duscounts are great right now), but I am sure the new 12" will have some more speed, maybe a bigger HD, maybe some fringe benefits - lighted keyboard, L3 cache, maybe thinner?, is that worth waiting for?

If you don't need a machine NOW, then sure, wait, the next revision is always more refined, and always seems to give you more for your money...

that being said WHERE IS THE 12" UPDATE!!!??????????

I want my new mac!

Lee

NYCFarmboy · Aug 2, 2003, 04:36 PM

I had to purchase a 12" powerbook a month ago for work reasons... I had wanted to wait..

its turned out to be very nice..

just wish:
it was a bit faster (over 1 ghz)...
and that it had a brigher screen rather than the same exact dark screen put on the white plastic ibook meant I guess for kids?

hehehehe..well seriously.. I love the 12"

but the biggest thing I'd like to see changed is for that new Blue Laser DVD burner that burns up to 25 or 30 GIGS on a single DVD rather than the very small 4.6 we are limited to now on the mac.

euchomai · Aug 2, 2003, 04:52 PM

I've really enjoyed using my 12 inch PB a lot in the last 7 months and am really glad that I didn't wait! Heck, I might even get one if the next one comes out in a few months. You know the office needs another PB and if I can pass the old one on to the assistant and get a new one for myself that would be awesome! Again, glad I didn't wait...

y2kerr · Aug 2, 2003, 05:56 PM

just aside anyone go to "SCARS-stock"...I missed it as I am currently in the US...

I went to SARSstock Wednesday. It was a really good time. It was hot, and getting water was a bit of a hassle (as an example, by mid-afternoon, the water in a half-empty bottle that had been sitting on the ground was practically hot enough to make tea. I drank it anyway), but otherwise it was a lot of fun.

Highlights of the day include Angus Young (lead guitar from AC/DC) stripping down during "The Jack" to a pair of Canadian flag boxer shorts, Mike Bullard being funnier than he ever is on his late night talk show, the Flaming Lips for strangest stage show, such as having a bunch of people in costumes on stage (including two giants suns, a Santa Claus, a cow, and others) and, of course, seeing the Rolling Stones live.

The cops more or less announced in the days before they wouldn't be bothering anyone if they saw them smoking a joint (how ya like us now, America?!

) and they sure didn't bother me!

Oh, and there were girls flashing the crowd, which was fun too.

shabbasuraj · Aug 2, 2003, 07:16 PM

i intentially wrote 'SCARS-stock' as an inside joke to myself (I know how sad..) but you would not believe how many people have actually have asked me (when figuring out I am from Toronto)....

"Do YOU have SCARS???"...

I usually am polite and tell them no I do not have "SCARS" but I do have a "scar" on my arm from when I was a kid.....

and the disease is actually called 'SARS' and not "SCARS"...

right now I am in the US for both business and pleaseure....

lates....

clf8 · Aug 2, 2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Earth Mk. II:
A 15" AlBook won't bring you mad hot women. A 15" AlBook won't bring you fame and popularity. A 15" AlBook does not make you a better person. Don't put your friggen' life on hold for a friggen' computer.

A 15" AlBook will have built in bluetooth.
A 15" AlBook will most likely have a better video card.
A 15" AlBook will have firewire 800.
A 15" AlBook will have Airport Extreme.
A 15" AlBook will have a 60gig drive (prolly) and maybe 80gig.
A 15" AlBook will prolly have the backlight keyboard.
A 15" AlBook will prolly have USB2.0 (of course, the TiBook might also, just not drivers as of yet).

There are plenty of technological reasons to wait for a 15" AlBook. If you don't need a new computer this very instant, why not wait. At the very least, you can pick up a 15" TiBook on the cheaps when they do come out.

You know, these forums have gotten pretty beligerent lately. My life isn't on hold for a new computer, I don't need a new computer. However, I plan on buying a new computer once the 15" update comes out (of course, it might be the 12"). Does it run my life? No. Does it keep me up at night? Not usually. Am I Donald Rumsfeld? Possibly. Relax people, save your bile for the mac bashers, not your brethren.

ASIMO · Aug 2, 2003, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by iWrite:
It's pretty darned sad.

Apple is really pathetic....

....

8 months? Pretty pathetic....

Please refrain from posting during PMS.

iWrite · Aug 3, 2003, 05:01 AM

That's actually funny!

No, I'm not grumpy.

I'm just saying that I don't understand what is going on.

Apple has a weird line-up, you have to admit:

12-inch aluminum.

17-inch aluminum.

15-inch Titanium?

???

I mean, REALLY, couldn't they pull some strings and update the line by now?

Can someone tell me how long the other notebooks have been out and their middle-sized machine doesn't match?

It's just plain weird!

And, just to let you know, Steve-O does NOT use a Titanium and I've heard that he uses an IBM ThinkPad -- people see it all the time in his meetings with them.

So, THAT is what prompted me to start thinking: He has a Dell on his desk and a ThinkPad in his briefcase. Sounds like a CEO with a lot of confidence in Apple wouldn't you say?

I can see it next year: You'll be using 1.33Ghz Titaniums and proclaiming how "it's plenty fast enough, anyway," blah blah blah.

Seriously, think about it -- seriously think about that possibility.

You're saying that's okay, apparently? Because how long HAS the Titanium 1Ghz been around without an update? It's been a long time!

Naz · Aug 3, 2003, 05:50 AM

I don't know why people accept this from apple... we lemmings are funny.

guess we have no choice we only have one Apple

How much is a high end ThinkPad?

Good enough for Steve-O....

iWrite · Aug 3, 2003, 07:51 AM

Naz:

Lemmings is exactly right!

They HAVE to be lemmings because there's no other game in town for the OS. They're stuck. That's also one of the reasons there are no more Mac clones.

A high end ThinkPad is about (gulp) $3500.

!!!

And it only comes with that stupid eraserhead pointer thing to move the cursor and the largest screen is 15 inches.

I guess Steve-O can afford what he wants, though!

I hear that he and Michael Dell are good buddies, though; evidently he's helped Michael Dell get Dell up and running over the years.

Naz · Aug 3, 2003, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by iWrite:
Naz:

Lemmings is exactly right!

They HAVE to be lemmings because there's no other game in town for the OS. They're stuck. That's also one of the reasons there are no more Mac clones.

A high end ThinkPad is about (gulp) $3500.

!!!

As with all Lemmings I will go for the $3299. 17"

so glad I'm not paying...

The Placid Casual · Aug 3, 2003, 08:52 AM

This thread has just degenerated into a crass stupidity. If people like Sony and Dell, and can cope with Windows, go buy...

However they don't run OS X, and as such have no place on a Mac board in terms of these discussions.

There is just flagrant Apple bashing from a few members, that in all honesty does nothing but antagonise people...

I call for a thread lock before people get really riled up.

*paging tooki*

slow moe · Aug 3, 2003, 08:52 AM

Maybe we've all been bad little mac users, and this is Apple's way of punishing us. Yes yes, that's it, we Children must have done something wrong to anger the Gods on Mt. Cupertino. Why else do we recieved 400 identical "When are the PB's going to be updated" threads-per-month? To blow up our minds? Quick, look behind you! There's Steve with a bolt of lightning in his hand - everybody run! Mahahhaha!!

osxisfun · 10:11 AM

> And, just to let you know, Steve-O does NOT use a Titanium and I've heard that he uses an IBM ThinkPad -- people see it all the time in his meetings with them.

Yes. The first couple of years he was there. And he ran nextstep on it.

Motorola == ScrewUps == Delayed In new G4 Chip == Delay in new 15"

iWrite · Aug 3, 2003, 02:08 PM

You're right about that osxisfun.

Motorola is crappola.

The Placid Casual · Aug 3, 2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by iWrite:
You're right about that osxisfun.

Motorola is crappola.

And also soon to be consigned to Apple's past...

Link · Aug 3, 2003, 03:00 PM

Well just think people, the new powerbooks.. even if they aren't more then 5% faster.. will be snappier!

Paco500 · Aug 3, 2003, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by iWrite:
So, THAT is what prompted me to start thinking: He has a Dell on his desk and a ThinkPad in his briefcase. Sounds like a CEO with a lot of confidence in Apple wouldn't you say?

You've said this before- why? Do you have any eveidence? Did you just make it up?

I do remember hearing stories that he used an Intel machine when he first arrived at Apple.

Please provide any evidence- even inferrance- that this is true.

Other than other BBS ranters- I'm guessing you can't.

Paco500 · Aug 3, 2003, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by iWrite:

I hear that he and Michael Dell are good buddies, though; evidently he's helped Michael Dell get Dell up and running over the years.

More nonesense- Michael Dell and Steve Jobs have been sniping at each other in public for years. There is nothing on the record that they have anything but distain for each other.

Dell was a big cutomer of NeXT- they used WebObjects to run dell.com for years. About the time Apple bought NeXT- they dumped WebObjects for a Microsoft solution.

Other than that, I assure you there is no Steve Jobs/Michael Dell connection.

If you have evidence to the contrary- post it.

juanpacolopez · Aug 3, 2003, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by osxisfun:

Yes. The first couple of years he was there. And he ran nextstep on it.

Right on

Many *cough* iWrite *cough* seem to have forgotten that OSX had it's roots on intel hardware... which would definitely explain why big Steve would use a thinkpad... considering his outspokenness on the superiority of Aqua, I seriously just don't see the man sitting down and typing away on a Windows box. It contains everything he's preached against for years, and poor imitations of UI ideas thought up by his own company.

I'm with Placid... lock this steaming pile of flamebait that used to be a thread while it still has some dignity

tmco · Aug 3, 2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by iWrite:
[B]Naz:

Lemmings is exactly right!

They HAVE to be lemmings because there's no other game in town for the OS. They're stuck. That's also one of the reasons there are no more Mac clones.

A high end ThinkPad is about (gulp) $3500.

!!!

And it only comes with that stupid eraserhead pointer thing to move the cursor and the largest screen is 15 inches.

I guess Steve-O can afford what he wants, though!

Why do people keep saying that the Thinkpad T40 only comes with 'stupid eraserhead pointer thing'? If you're going to make fair comparisons, then at least look at the specs. The T40 comes with both trackpad and pointer.

iWrite · Aug 3, 2003, 06:16 PM

Link
Well just think people, the new powerbooks.. even if they aren't more then 5% faster.. will be snappier!

Isn't that the truth?

Lock the thread if you want, I don't care. I think that about sums it up: Apple's "new" Powerbooks will be 5% faster, well, maybe 10% right?

I think Apple's got it going on with their desktop G5s -- they're awesome.

But they left the mid-range Powerbooks to stagnate. "People are buying 'em, so they must like 'em that way."

Anyway, I like Apple and I like Mac OS X. I just don't like mid-range notebook development left alone.

euchomai · Aug 3, 2003, 08:18 PM

Oh, come on... Please someone show some evidence of Steve using a pc now, I'm curious and people "in the know???" seem to be avoinding the topic right now.

curmi · Aug 3, 2003, 08:59 PM

Steve DOES NOT use a PC.

When he first returned to Apple he used a PC laptop with NextStep running on it.

Once OS X was out, he switched to using a powerbook.

Not sure if he is using a 12" or 17" now though. Doubt he would be using the 15" given its age.

ae86_16v · Aug 4, 2003, 02:54 AM

Does anyone know off the top of their heads about on average how many months do PC manufacturers update their line?

With the except of the Powerbook 15", Apple has consistently updated every 6 to 8 months right?

Nebrie · Aug 4, 2003, 03:51 AM

The entire Dell on Job's desk at Pixar all came from a one liner at one little known rumor column at some little newspaper which marked it as being just a rumor. Since then, people have gone out of their way to mark it as a fact despite the lack of any other evidence before then or since then. Please STOP stating this as a fact.

MusicalTone · Aug 4, 2003, 04:50 AM

By the looks of things if you want to wait for the next rev. Powrbooks they will be comming in another 2-3 months. But be warned they will not contain G5 chips, ratherr a minor speed bump to the G4. I bought my 15" SD PB back in March and am really glad I did. It is a fantastic machine and does anything you could want of it - and it does it with style and speed. No chipped paint or any of the other 'scare' stories you hear of. Mind you, the way some people speak you would think they were holding out for the teflon powerbook! From what I hear Aluminium is prone to scratching (as is any surface) just as much as Titanium.

My advice: if you want a powerbook there is a whole range of them available NOW!