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the guys over at macfora.com have started a 12" Powerbook Lottery and there are only 80 tickets for sale.

tickets are 20 bucks a pop. thats a pretty good set of odds

[justinf77]

Yup, which is why I just picked up a ticket

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Originally posted by justinf77:
Yup, which is why I just picked up a ticket

good luck

[Naz]

they are making no money on this wow

[MaxPower2k3]

Originally posted by Naz:
they are making no money on this wow

they're making $21

really, though, that's a lot for typing up a post and writing up a little script for producing lotto tickets. after that, you just wait until all the tickets are bought and buy the laptop... no big deal.

[justinf77]

Nope, no money being made. Two tickets were actually donated, therefore the owner of the lottery is actually losing a bit of money...

Just a nice gesture so someone can get an awesome Mac for $20.

[Naz]

yeah its cool they would do that... I'm very tempted to get a ticket myself but I have a 17" coming home soon


uh

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i want that pb

[PeteWK]

Actually, a 12 inch powerbook can be had for 1400 dollars with the education discount. So they're make a few dollars anyway.

PeteWK

[MacNStein]

What makes you think they're using an Edu discount?

[SOLIDAge]

Although I have one...why not try for another

[Crusoe]

Worth a shot. I bought one but considered waging the two hundred I have collecting dust in my paypal account. 1 in 8 odds would be nice.

[wildcard]

I went for it and bought one. At last post they're down to less than 20 tickets left. So they could be having the drawing shortly....

[Crusoe]

Originally posted by wildcard:
At last post they're down to less than 20 tickets left. So they could be having the drawing shortly....

Don't tempt me man!

[Jan Van Boghout]

I think it's about 15 now, a friend of mine bought two after the guy at the forum said there were 17 left.

[edit, he bought two, not one]

[Naz]

too tempting so I got a ticket this morning...

I can't believe I did not buy two...


My 17" was ordered by this company I'm working with since I do not have access to the shipment of it do you guys know how long it takes to ship one out?

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how many are left now?

[Naz]

only 7 left

[Naz]

6 to go

[Evan DiBiase]

Originally posted by Naz:
6 to go

I think I just bought the last 5. Wow. I'm nervous!

[Naz]

cool now we wait for those who paid with checks...

good luck all

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sweet! i hope a macnn'er wins guys. good luck!

[danbrew]

Originally posted by Crusoe:
Worth a shot. I bought one but considered waging the two hundred I have collecting dust in my paypal account. 1 in 8 odds would be nice.

Yeah, those would be great odds. But... how do we know this is real? How do we know the odds aren't zero? Zero as in the pal of the guy conducting the raffle already has the winning ticket?

Hey, I don't know those guys from Adam - but somebody had to ask.

[Smoothie]

Originally posted by danbrew:
Yeah, those would be great odds. But... how do we know this is real? How do we know the odds aren't zero? Zero as in the pal of the guy conducting the raffle already has the winning ticket?

Hey, I don't know those guys from Adam - but somebody had to ask.

It's really quite simple. Since I conduct the lottery, I am not eligible. Anyone can buy a ticket, even the staff, except me. And you don't even have to register to buy one.

This isn't the first auction. We've done an iBook, 2 iPods, and an iMac. And we plan on doing more.

[Smoothie]

Originally posted by PeteWK:
Actually, a 12 inch powerbook can be had for 1400 dollars with the education discount. So they're make a few dollars anyway.

PeteWK

I am not a student. Our Lottery price for the PB is the quoted price from the Apple Store. $20.25 per ticket x 80 tickets. The $.25 is suppose to cover what Paypal takes as fees, but it doesn't. My actual net per ticket is $19.36, which comes out to $1548.80. I can assure you I do not and have not made a dime on any of our lotteries.

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Originally posted by Smoothie:
I am not a student. Our Lottery price for the PB is the quoted price from the Apple Store. $20.25 per ticket x 80 tickets. The $.25 is suppose to cover what Paypal takes as fees, but it doesn't. My actual net per ticket is $19.36, which comes out to $1548.80. I can assure you I do not and have not made a dime on any of our lotteries.

smoothie and the macfora.com crew are good people. good peeps. not a fly by night mac site.

lots of members and down for the cause.

[nkuvu]

If you're curious, you can go over to Macfora and browse throught the posts. This isn't the first lottery we've had, nor will it be the last. Most of them, however, have not gone nearly this fast.

Well the last thing that finished wasn't even a lottery. The Great Panther Giveaway.

We've also had an iBook lottery, a lottery for a $500 gift certificate from Outpost.com, an iPod lottery, an iBook lottery... you get the picture.

[imago dei]

Watch this thread at 9pm EST for the winner.

-imago dei

[Naz]

be back in 4 hours!

[danbrew]

God bless 'em for doing something cool. I'm not suggesting he's a bad guy...

...but, do we really know that the previous winners haven't been his cousin, brother, pal, or online friend? Not really. Yeah, I know, I'm a suspicious son of a bitch...

Most states have some pretty significant rules relating to a lottery or raffle. New York State, for example, has a lot of things to say about lotteries or raffles - here are some interesting points:

New York State Consolidated Laws, Title 4, Section 5, Chapter 423:

S 5-423. Money paid for lottery tickets may be recovered by action.

Any person who shall have paid any money, or valuable thing, for a
chance or interest in any lottery or distribution, prohibited by the
penal law, may sue for and recover the same of the person to whom such
payment or delivery was made.


Here's a wonderful write-up of the issue of online lotteries from our friends at FindLaw.com:

Sweepstakes On The Internet: Increasing The Odds That An On-Line Promotion Passes Muster

Introduction
Sweepstakes promotions have arrived on the Internet with a vengeance. A recent Internet search for "sweepstakes" produced over 25,000 hits. Companies are offering a myriad of prizes in an effort to increase brand awareness and drive traffic to their web sites. These prizes include Harley-Davidson motorcycles, Beanie Babies stuffed animals, trips to exotic locations, and cash - lots of it. On-line promotions appear to be working: Yoyodyne Entertainment, a company devoted to structuring on-line promotions, reports that one company''s sweepstakes promotion resulted in a 300% per cent increase in brand awareness and another company''s sweepstakes promotion resulted in over 80,000 individual visits to its web site. However, while sweepstakes on the Internet can be an effective marketing tool, such promotions should be structured properly to ensure compliance with federal and state laws prohibiting lotteries. Moreover, due to the global nature of the Internet and its unique technology, on-line sweepstakes promotions present unique issues not present in other mediums.

Definitions
This article addresses sweepstakes promotions offered on the Internet. Sweepstakes promotions invite eligible participants to register for a chance to win a prize. Prizes are usually awarded by a drawing at the conclusion of the sweepstakes. An on-line sweepstakes promotion may represent only one segment of a company''s overall promotional efforts. While sweepstakes promotions are legal, lotteries are not. The following definitions may be useful in distinguishing sweepstakes (and contests) from lotteries.
Lottery: A lottery consists of a prize, chance, and consideration. Lotteries are generally prohibited in each of the fifty states unless legislatively exempted (i.e., state run lotteries). Sweepstakes promotions must omit one of these elements in order to avoid being cast as a lottery.
Sweepstakes: A sweepstakes promotion includes a prize and chance but omits consideration.
Contest: A contest may include a prize and consideration but omits chance.
Consideration: The definition of consideration varies from state to state. Whether a sweepstakes promotion includes an element of consideration will depend on factors such as the ease or difficulty of participating in the sweepstakes and whether an alternative method of entry (e.g., entry by mail) is present. An example of consideration is a requirement that participants purchase a product in order to be eligible to enter the sweepstakes. Other examples of consideration may include monetary payment or providing detailed consumer information. It is unclear whether requiring on-line access to participate in a sweepstakes constitutes consideration (due to the cost associated with such access) or whether navigating a web site or requiring entrants to spend time on-line constitutes consideration.
Alternative Method of Entry: As a general rule, providing an alternative method of entry ("AMOE") may eliminate the consideration element from a sweepstakes promotion that may otherwise require the purchase of a product or substantial time and effort in order to participate. For example, allowing participants to enter off-line via mail or facsimile would generally be considered an "AMOE." Accordingly, the inclusion of an "AMOE" decreases the risk that a regulator will view a sweepstakes promotion as an illegal lottery. Note, however, that regulators have found the consideration element to be present in a sweepstakes promotion (and, thus, found the promotion illegal) notwithstanding the inclusion of an "AMOE."

[danbrew]

Regulation of Sweepstakes Promotions
Sweepstakes promotions in the United States are regulated by numerous federal and state laws. Thus, if a sweepstakes promotion allows nationwide participation, the promotion must comply with federal regulations and the regulations of each state. In California, for example, the Penal Code sets forth the definition of a "lottery," whereas the Business and Professions Code governs the promotion of the sweepstakes. In addition, depending upon the value of the prize or the manner in which the sweepstakes is promoted, some states have additional registration requirements. New York, for example, requires that consumer sweepstakes be registered and bonded if the value of the prize offered is more than $5,000. Registration and bonding must occur 30 days prior to the commencement of the sweepstakes.
Federal agencies with jurisdiction to regulate sweepstakes promotions include the U.S. Postal Service, the Federal Trade Commission ("FTC"), the Federal Communications Commission ("FCC"), and the U.S. Department of Justice. Sweepstakes promotions may also be regulated by state attorneys general and, in some states, district attorneys. Lastly, sweepstakes promotions may be the subject of a suit brought directly by consumers.

Sweepstakes Promotions on the Internet Raise Special Concerns
Due to the unique nature of the Internet, on-line promotions create issues not present in traditional media. Accordingly, special rules should be followed when structuring an on-line sweepstakes promotion, both to address the global nature of the Internet and to address unique technology issues presented by the on-line medium. Those responsible for the design of an on-line sweepstakes promotion should consider the impact of the following:

International Considerations
A sweepstakes promotion on the Internet is potentially available in every country in the world. Of course, this is one of the great benefits of the Internet. It must be understood, however, that allowing participation by residents of foreign countries may also subject a company to the jurisdiction of the courts and governmental agencies of such countries. Therefore, if participation in a sweepstakes promotion will be open to persons located outside of the U.S., the promotion must comply with the laws governing lotteries and promotions of each relevant jurisdiction. For example, federal law in Canada requires the inclusion of a skill element in all sweepstakes conducted in Canada. In addition, there are procedural and registration requirements for sweepstakes promotions open to Quebec residents. Note that in some countries, sweepstakes promotions considered legal in the U.S. may be banned outright.

For the above reasons, many companies choose to eliminate such risk and limit eligibility to residents of the United States. If companies choose to allow entries from residents of other countries, care should be taken to specify the countries from which participation is allowed and the rules for the sweepstakes should be cleared with counsel located in the relevant foreign jurisdictions. If a company chooses to restrict eligibility to U.S. residents, such a restriction should be set forth clearly and conspicuously in the text on the web site (e.g., "OPEN TO U.S. RESIDENTS ONLY").

Technical Considerations
Companies sponsoring an on-line sweepstakes promotion should reserve the right to suspend or cancel the promotion if a computer virus, bug, or other technical problem corrupts the administration or security of the sweepstakes. Additional technical considerations include:

* Incomplete, garbled, misdirected, or delayed electronic entries.
* Limitations on liability in the event information downloaded from a company''s web site causes damage.
* Ensuring that off-line entrants are treated with "equal dignity" as those who enter on-line.
For example, allowing five on-line entries per day may result in an unfair disadvantage to those entering by mail. To increase fairness between on-line and off-line entrants, companies should consider allowing mail-in entrants to include five entries per envelope mailed.

What Are The Risks?
Due to the sheer number of sweepstakes and other promotions on the Internet, companies may be tempted to cut corners on sweepstakes clearance. Some companies have chosen a cavalier path, perhaps reasoning that their sweepstakes promotion is likely to be layers below the "radar screen" of a state attorney general or a federal regulator. Companies, however, should not be lulled into a false sense of "safety in numbers." While it may be true that many "suspect" sweepstakes promotions escape detection, it is important to keep in mind that companies may face criminal and monetary sanctions as a result of running a sweepstakes promotion that is found to be an illegal lottery. Moreover, some states are extremely aggressive in policing promotions and the fines can be significant. In California, for example, the damages assessed may depend upon the number of violations, which can be significant in an on-line sweepstakes promotion.
Companies should also consider the potential public relations nightmare if a regulator decides that a sweepstakes promotion runs afoul of state regulations prohibiting lotteries. A recent article that appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle illustrates this point. A local sheriffs'' association planned to raffle off four Beanie Babies stuffed animals to raise funds for its slain officers fund. In order to participate in the raffle, the purchase of a ticket was required. The association offered tickets at $1.00 per ticket or $5.00 for 6 tickets. The deputy district attorney learned of the raffle and declared it an illegal lottery in violation of the Penal Code. The association was ordered to shut down the raffle or face misdemeanor charges. As reported in the Chronicle, the association''s modest raffle was dubbed "The Great Beanie Baby Caper."

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9 o'clock it is!!!!!

suspense building.. well if a macnn'er wins that will be your proof danbrew

these guys are straight

[danbrew]

Additional Concerns
Trademark
In addition, to avoid liability resulting from a sweepstakes promotion, there are several trademark issues that should be considered. First, to ensure that use of a mark does not infringe on the trademark rights of third parties, the name of the promotion should be cleared by qualified trademark counsel. Second, if a sweepstakes promotion includes a reference to a third party''s trade name or trademark, such use should be factual and accurate. Third, care should be taken to avoid creating a false sense of association or sponsorship between the sponsor of the sweepstakes and a third party. Thus, for example, if a sweepstakes offer includes as a prize a Volkswagen Beetle automobile, it may be permissible to recite this fact. However, it may not be permissible to prominently feature the Volkswagen logo.

Copyright
If a sweepstakes promotion includes an image of a particular prize, such use may raise copyright issues that must be resolved prior to posting such image on the Internet.

Advertisements
On-line sweepstakes promotions advertised in traditional media may also be subject to state regulations governing promotional advertisements. Some states require disclosure of certain information in connection with promotional advertisements.

Special Rules For Certain Industries
In addition to the above issues, sweepstakes promotions in some industries, such as the alcohol and tobacco industries, are subject to special rules. Companies offering sweepstakes in these industries may be required to comply with additional federal and/or state regulations.

Rules To Live By
It is helpful to think of a sweepstakes promotion as a contract with participants. This contract takes the form of a set of rules that sets forth the terms of the sweepstakes promotion. As with all contracts, the material terms governing the relationship between the entrant and the sponsor of the promotion should be disclosed and ambiguity should be avoided where possible. Accordingly, a complete set of rules should be drafted for each sweepstakes promotion and made available to participants. Set forth below is a checklist for drafting sweepstakes rules. Note, however, that the checklist should be used solely as a starting point. Because each sweepstakes promotion is unique, the rules governing each promotion should be reviewed independently.

Eligibility Requirements
Participation in sweepstakes may be restricted by factors such as age, residence, or occupation. There may be reasons to restrict eligibility to those 18 or older. For example, if a sweepstakes prize consists of a trip for two around the world, awarding the prize to a 10-year-old may prove problematic. Also, there is a practical reason for an age restriction -- promotions targeted to those under the age of twelve may receive greater scrutiny from regulators.
Sweepstakes promotions on the Internet should require that participants have on-line access as of the start date of the sweepstakes in order to avoid any concerns that participants will secure Internet access in order to participate in the sweepstakes.

Unless sweepstakes rules have been cleared internationally, eligibility should be limited to U.S. residents. If sweepstakes rules have been cleared in certain countries, the rules should specify that residents of those countries are eligible to participate. Otherwise, sponsors risk being subject to the consequences of noncompliance with a particular jurisdiction''s rules.
Employees of the sponsor, sponsor''s agents, and members of the sponsor''s household should be excluded from participation in order to remove any appearance of bias in conducting the sweepstakes promotion.

Duration
The sweepstakes should have a definite start and ending date. Due to the time differences within the United States as well as global time differences, the exact time should be included with the start date (e.g., "Sweepstakes promotion begins on December 1, 1998, at 12:01 a.m. EST and ends on January 1, 1999, at 12:01 a.m. EST"). Moreover, as discussed above, it is important to treat those who enter on-line and off-line in a fair manner. Accordingly, ending dates for mail-in or facsimile entries may need to be adjusted to allow equal participation by off-line participants.

How To Play
Instructions for participation in an on-line sweepstakes should be set forth in a clear manner. If the rules for participation are too burdensome or time consuming (e.g., having to answer too many questions), not only will participants be discouraged from playing but there is some risk that such an expenditure of time and effort will be found to constitute consideration (thus transforming an otherwise legal promotion into an illegal lottery). Therefore, from a legal and marketing standpoint, the provisions for participation in an on-line sweepstakes should be as simple and as straightforward as possible.

Odds of Winning
The odds of winning should be stated. If the number of entries will be restricted, the rules should set forth the exact odds of winning. If the number of entries will be unrestricted, it may be necessary to state that the odds of winning will depend upon the number of eligible entries received.

No Purchase Necessary
Stating that it is not necessary to purchase a product should be set forth clearly and conspicuously at the beginning of the sweepstakes rules (e.g., "NO PURCHASE NECESSARY TO ENTER"). This provision, in combination with precautions (such as an "AMOE"), greatly reduces the risk that a sweepstakes promotion will be found to include an element of consideration.

Prizes
The number and nature of the prize(s) should be described in detail in the sweepstakes rules. For example, rather than a general reference to a generic prize, such as a car, the sweepstakes rules should specify the make, year, and model of the car. The value of the individual prizes as well as the cumulative value of all prizes should also be stated. (The value of the prize(s) may trigger bond/registration requirements.) Other issues to address with respect to the nature of the prize(s) include:

* If the prize consists of travel, whether the prize includes airline tickets, transportation, accommodations, and meals.
* Whether the prize may be substituted or transferred by the winner.
* A determination of responsibility for the payment of taxes.
* Whether participants may win more than one prize.
* When the delivery of prizes will take place (should be less then 30 days).
* Whether the availability of the prize is subject to additional restrictions (e.g., frequent flier miles).

Selection and Notification of Winner
The sweepstakes rules should set forth the date by which winners will be selected and announced and the manner in which winners will be selected and notified. Although winners of on-line sweepstakes may be notified via e-mail, it may be advisable to notify winners via postal mail as well. Often, companies appoint independent parties to administer the sweepstakes promotion and select the winner(s) because of the overall impression of fairness created by the use of an outside administrator.

Affidavit of Eligibility and Release of Liability
The sweepstakes rules should include a provision requiring prize winners to execute an affidavit to ensure that the winner meets all of the eligibility requirements set forth in the rules. The affidavit should also include a release of liability stemming from the winner''s participation in the sweepstakes.

Limitation of Liability
The sweepstakes rules should include a limitation of liability in connection with misdirected or incomplete entries, electronic or computer malfunctions, and for any injuries or losses caused by a prize awarded in the sweepstakes or by participation in the sweepstakes.

Void Where Prohibited
While every effort should be made to ensure that a sweepstakes promotion complies with federal and state regulations, it may be prudent to state that the promotion is "void where prohibited."

List of Winners
The sweepstakes rules should provide a mailing address where entrants may request a list of winners.

Identification of Sponsor(s)
The sweepstakes rules should provide the name of the sponsor as well as the sponsor''s address.

Conclusion
As more consumers turn to the Internet, companies offering sweepstakes promotions on the Internet may prove to be the ultimate sweepstakes "winners." Due to the effectiveness of sweepstakes promotions, the number of on-line promotions are bound to increase. However, such an increase is likely to trigger additional regulations and enforcement of such promotions. Accordingly, the rules governing sweepstakes promotions on the Internet should be carefully reviewed to ensure compliance with federal and state regulations and, if necessary, foreign regulations governing such promotions.

[Naz]

danbrew is that even needed?

Thats why the world is crap now, nobody has any trust or do anything good because of red-tape, rules, regulations, restrictions, and all that of that crap.

I bet you are the type of person who would contact Apple Legal and shutdown these guys.

If I want to spend my $20 like a fool I should have the right to do so.

Yes the WORLD is full of SCAM-Artists but that does not mean everyone who is trying to do something good is out to rip you off.

Am I stupid for buying a ticket, maybe I am... but does that mean its a fact that I have just been ripped off? NO.

This Raffle thing should have stayed at a small community site like Macfora and never posted here.

Its nice to keep things small then you don't have to deal with all the Watchdogs saying that you must have a hidden motive for doing something good.

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The winning ticket number is: 315047 Congratulations to the winner!

is it anyone here?

[Naz]

315035 missed it... that was fun though

I bet you his cousin named danbrew won

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Originally posted by Naz:
315035 missed it... that was fun though

I bet you his cousin named danbrew won

[imago dei]

*sigh*. I didn't win Congrats, however, go out to the lucky ticket holder that did, wherever they are!

-imago dei

[romeosc]

I didn't win either, but according to my calculations the winning ticket was the last one sold. only 14 left when I bought mine,

[Naz]

damn I was kinda feeling guilty all day since my new 17" PB is a few days away... it would have been sweet to have both... damn my greed

[Naz]

from Macfora member
----

Thats funny! I bought ticket **46 and then I called my mother in law to see if she wanted in too. She said that she'd have to think about it and call me back. She called back an hour later and I bought one for her, **48.

If only she hadn't waited

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I think it would be very hard to scam something like that

the winning number fell between that member and the mother-in-law's ticket...

[BkueKanoodle]

Originally posted by Naz:
from Macfora member
----

Thats funny! I bought ticket **46 and then I called my mother in law to see if she wanted in too. She said that she'd have to think about it and call me back. She called back an hour later and I bought one for her, **48.

If only she hadn't waited

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I think it would be very hard to scam something like that

the winning number fell between that member and the mother-in-law's ticket...

I was the one with ticket 46 and 48. If I had won I was planning on giving it to my mother in law. (she's always wanted a mac )

As far as Danbrews comments go, this is no different then a Mac user group (or any user group) raffling of prizes at their meetings.They have been doing this for years. I think there is some distinction here between a sweepstakes or promotion put on by a commercial interest, and a raffle among a private club, (which macfora would be considered.) It could also be argued that this is simply a group of individuals pooling their money and randomly buying a laptop for the 1 of that 80. Since no funds were being raised or profit made, it would not even qualify as charitable gaming. Charitable Gaming organizations, as well as private and commercial gaming interests are covered by individual state authority, but private individuals are not.

Furthermore, since this is an online site, there is no precedent for which state would have juristiction. Is it the State the server is in? or the Owner of the site.

I would assume an AG would go after online casino's and companies or risk being thrown out of the court by a judge, and villified in the press.

I am not lawyer, but I do work as a IT business consultant in the gaming industry, so I'm familiar with many of the regulations.

Not be a stickler, but some lawyers could also consider a wholesale reposting on a website an article from a newspaper a violation of copyright law

[danbrew]

Originally posted by BkueKanoodle:
I was the one with ticket 46 and 48. If I had won I was planning on giving it to my mother in law. (she's always wanted a mac )

As far as Danbrews comments go, this is no different then a Mac user group (or any user group) raffling of prizes at their meetings.They have been doing this for years. I think there is some distinction here between a sweepstakes or promotion put on by a commercial interest, and a raffle among a private club, (which macfora would be considered.) It could also be argued that this is simply a group of individuals pooling their money and randomly buying a laptop for the 1 of that 80. Since no funds were being raised or profit made, it would not even qualify as charitable gaming. Charitable Gaming organizations, as well as private and commercial gaming interests are covered by individual state authority, but private individuals are not.

Furthermore, since this is an online site, there is no precedent for which state would have juristiction. Is it the State the server is in? or the Owner of the site.

I would assume an AG would go after online casino's and companies or risk being thrown out of the court by a judge, and villified in the press.

I am not lawyer, but I do work as a IT business consultant in the gaming industry, so I'm familiar with many of the regulations.

Not be a stickler, but some lawyers could also consider a wholesale reposting on a website an article from a newspaper a violation of copyright law

Yep, I'm one of those guys who look at everything twice. I'm happy that the rest of you aren't - I'm sure your life is more peaceful than mine. My point was simply that we really don't know that much about how the raffle is operated.

Hey - good for the Macfora visitors, guests, and sponsors. And, especially, the winner. But none of this really changes anything - unless a non-biased third party conducts the raffle, none of you have any idea who won or of the legitimacy of the raffle/lottery. Period.

Yes, this is no different than clubs that have door prizes and give away stuff - but even those small clubs could become a target of an over zealous prosecutor (like me - if I were a prosecutor instead of an online weenie) - and they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. The fact is that this is a multi-state lottery/raffle, which means that federal laws apply - and so do the laws of New York State -- which, btw, are pretty clear on what's required to conduct a lottery/raffle/game of chance. I won't comment on whether or not the guys from Macfora have followed those rules because I don't know what they might have done.

And, although I knew I was posting a topic that would be somewhat controversial, and everybody has the right to throw away his or her money (hell, some people even smoke $20 cigars and drink $80 glasses of Port!!), it isn't fair for one person to take advantage of another. Again, I'm not at all suggesting that this is what happened here, but, again, who knows?

And, this is the best part:

I bet you are the type of person who would contact Apple Legal and shutdown these guys.

Yes, thank you. I'm that type of person - remember that old saying about assumptions? Granted you don't know me, I don't know you. But what makes you think I'd so something like that? Sheesh. If I really gave a crap I'd call the US Postal Service, the FTC, the Department of Justice, or the state attorney generals office in my state and New York State. What good would it do to call Apple, btw? You think Apple would give a crap? Apple wouldn't care - and would like to see 10 of these a day.

You want to know the best part about the Internet? We're all free to believe somebody is out to get us. Or to send $20 off to some guy. Hey, btw, I'm doing a raffle next week. Only 10 tickets will be sold... ah, nevermind.

In closing - I really don't think the guys at Macfora are bad guys - quite the opposite - but the point is, well, you know...

(heh heh - you *are* right about my copyright violation... doh!)

[danbrew]

Hey! Look, one of the guys in New York won!!!

Congrats to all who played.

http://www.macfora.com/forums/index....2778&st=15

:->

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