[Mallrat]

I order a 15 Ti for apple for 1999 that is on it's way. But after seeing the new 15inch at the apple store in Soho today, I'm having second thougths.

I talked to an employee there and they said as long as I didnt' open it, I could bring it into the Apple Soho Store and trade it in for the new one.

I wonder if I could just return it there and then purchase a computer for a reseller and save myself the tax.

I'm debating it.

Many reasons.

First can't decide if i'm wiling ot lose the super drive that came with the Ti for the combo drive on the new one.

I don't see myself spending another 400 just to get the same things I could get on an older model.

What I love about the new ones are the keyboard and the screen hinge. It is just so strong and looks great. The Ti hinge scares me.

I prefer the connections on the side as well.

Not to mention, they look much cooler. They do. Apple always seems to make the new model more attractive, even though the Ti was so great when it came out, it's amazing how old it looks.

What to do, what to do.

I'm such a consumer. I can never decide. Why can't I have them all and never have to choose again?

[SoCal_BigFoot]

I prefer the connections on the side as well.

Not to mention, they look much cooler. They do. Apple always seems to make the new model more attractive, even though the Ti was so great when it came out, it's amazing how old it looks.

What to do, what to do.

Well, I just saw those new 15-inch in Santa Monica store and I have to say, I disagree about cool look. For me they look much "cheaper" than Ti, kind of like iBook in metal/Gateway laptop design. I don't like the keyboard at all, and the whole 10-15% speed increase in one year - nothing to be proud of. I noticed closing mechanism works smoother than first gen 12-inch, I guess they improved something there, but overall don't like that design. I hope G5 will force them to change it. BTW 15-inch was quite hot.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by SoCal_BigFoot:
Well, I just saw those new 15-inch in Santa Monica store and I have to say, I disagree about cool look. For me they look much "cheaper" than Ti, kind of like iBook in metal/Gateway laptop design. I don't like the keyboard at all, and the whole 10-15% speed increase in one year - nothing to be proud of. I noticed closing mechanism works smoother than first gen 12-inch, I guess they improved something there, but overall don't like that design. I hope G5 will force them to change it. BTW 15-inch was quite hot.

Wow! I think that made me feel better but at the same time if you don't like the keyboard, then I'm totally confused. I haven't heard one complaint about it.

What don't u like about it?

[spalding12]

99% of folks say the keyboard on the new one is better
and the unit is MUCH cooler than the old one
i don't know who writes this stuff
these forums CAN be so useful
but they are always inhabited by:
1. trolls
2. folks from other companies posing as Apple owners

we ALL know this is true
but, for some reason, we frequently let them get under our skin when they say something that doesn't agree with our own feelings

the truth is....
unless you were born yesterday, you are surely aware that technology is always "last year" 1 minute after its purchase (IF you're lucky)

buy what makes you happy
isn't that why you work, afterall
life is too short to sweat all this stuff
do NOT overbuy
but buy what you like
and what make YOU happy
and don't worry about the others
there will ALWAYS be something better tomorrow
if you haven't learned to deal with that yet... you should cut up all your credit cards and shut down your connection to the internet immediately and NEVER TURN BACK...


THERE..
i feel better now

greg

[Eug]

As much as I like my TiBook 1 GHz SD, if I had the choice of the 1 GHz TiBook with SD for $2000 vs. the 1 GHz 15" AluBook with SD, I'd buy the latter, no question.

It's a no brainer. $200 gets you Airport Extreme, BlueTooth, a monster video card, etc. I'd probably get the $70 backlit keyboard too.

As a TiBook SD owner, I say you should cancel your order now.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by Eug:
As much as I like my TiBook 1 GHz SD, if I had the choice of the 1 GHz TiBook with SD for $2000 vs. the 1 GHz 15" AluBook with SD, I'd buy the latter, no question.

It's a no brainer. $200 gets you Airport Extreme, BlueTooth, a monster video card, etc. I'd probably get the $70 backlit keyboard too.

As a TiBook SD owner, I say you should cancel your order now.

Well what would you do, you could only afford the combo drive in the new model?

[dennis88]

Originally posted by SoCal_BigFoot:
Well, I just saw those new 15-inch in Santa Monica store and I have to say, I disagree about cool look. For me they look much "cheaper" than Ti, kind of like iBook in metal/Gateway laptop design. I don't like the keyboard at all, and the whole 10-15% speed increase in one year - nothing to be proud of. I noticed closing mechanism works smoother than first gen 12-inch, I guess they improved something there, but overall don't like that design. I hope G5 will force them to change it. BTW 15-inch was quite hot.

10-15% faster?
I would say 30-35% faster.
And don't forget the new ati 9600 that smokes the "old" ati 9000.
The keyboard of the alu series is just perfect, and I can't belive that you actually like the plasticky keyboard on the Ti 1ghz better?
Sounds to me that you are only trying to convince yourself that the new powerbooks isn't better than yours.

[Eug]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
Well what would you do, you could only afford the combo drive in the new model?

I would wait a little while longer if possible and scrounge up the extra $200.

[BrunoBruin]

Originally posted by spalding12:
buy what makes you happy
isn't that why you work, afterall
life is too short to sweat all this stuff
do NOT overbuy
but buy what you like
and what make YOU happy
and don't worry about the others

I love spalding12's posts, they're like haiku. So calming.

I said back in January that the new aluminum cases were more "Sony" than "Apple" and I preferred the looks and the rear ports of the Ti. That being said, I bought a 1.25GHz 15-inch. The improvements over my Ti, which is not much more than a year old, are pretty impressive. 1.25GHz vs. 667MHz, twice the VRAM, SuperDrive (not available when I got my Ti), and on and on. And CHEAPER than my 667!

Mallrat, I think the last TiBooks are great machines and you would not be unhappy with it. I really like my Ti and have had no problems with it. And $1,999 for a 1GHz SuperDrive laptop... that's awfully tempting.

[spalding12]

thanks for enjoying my haiku
i just thought i'd mix it up a bit
a couple of days ago there was NOBODY online
then..... with the 3 new PB's introduced... crowded as can be
now... the numbers are starting to dwindle again
come back everyone please

greg

[SoCal_BigFoot]

Originally posted by dennis88:
10-15% faster?
I would say 30-35% faster.
And don't forget the new ati 9600 that smokes the "old" ati 9000.
The keyboard of the alu series is just perfect, and I can't belive that you actually like the plasticky keyboard on the Ti 1ghz better?
Sounds to me that you are only trying to convince yourself that the new powerbooks isn't better than yours.

Wow, wow! Because I don't like the touch of a new keyboard that means I'm a troll, right? Geeze, people, I love Macs, I just don't like the new design, that's it. I think I saw similar looking Gateway laptop a few years ago and I remember I had a thought - please Apple, just don't go with something like this - then here we are, new powerbooks. I like the touch of Ti keyboard better, I think the new one is kind of scratchy, the same about the surface of Alu they are using. I spent quite a lot of time in the store touching 17-inch, new 15-inch and an old Ti and I think Alu is slightly rougher, but (it can be pretty random), I had an impression 17-inch was a bit better built than 15-inch. Trackpad on 15-inch is smaller than on 17-inch and seems weird to be that small.
All the improvements are welcome, faster bus, RAM etc it's all good. And seriously I could upgrade to a new Alu without loosing too much money, I just feel I'll pass. It's a free country, right? I'm sure if those are G5, I'd hold my new one in my hands right now.

[PowerMatt]

Bruno-I will gladly take side-access ports if it means that the entire rear panel can be utilized for positive air flow. I don't want this thing to double as a GF Grill.

[MusicalTone]

Like deciding what girl you want to be your girfriend it all comes down to what turns you on. There is no right or wrong about it. What is it you want? Decide that and then adjust your arguments/buying logic to suit.

Personally, I really like my current model Ti1ghz but boy if I had the chance to buy now Id go for that hot new baby!

[dialo]

Originally posted by dennis88:
10-15% faster?
I would say 30-35% faster.

From the numbers I've seen, it's more like 15-25% faster except for opengl. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember from running down the barefeats scores, and I remember the xbench CPU being ~120 on the GhzTi compared to ~140-150 for the 1.25. If you want to get them out and discuss it, that would be wonderful, but you shouldn't attack someone on figures without backing it up.

[dialo]

Originally posted by SoCal_BigFoot:
It's a free country, right?

No. Your hatred for apples makes you the lowest of the low. How dare you exercise free will on an apple forum.

Seriously though, I completely hear what you are saying about the keyboard. I like the one on my ghzti quite a bit, but I bet it wouldn't take too long to get used to the keys on the new powerbooks.

[nobitacu]

You see, this is the type of problem you will get yourself into for buying a Ti 15" when you know the Expo is coming up and might finally release the 15" Al. You could of at least waited until the Expo to buy it like most people. But oh well... just don't open it and bring it to the Apple Store and trade it in for the Al book.

Ming

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by nobitacu:
You see, this is the type of problem you will get yourself into for buying a Ti 15" when you know the Expo is coming up and might finally release the 15" Al. You could of at least waited until the Expo to buy it like most people. But oh well... just don't open it and bring it to the Apple Store and trade it in for the Al book.

Ming

You don't get it. I did even the worst thing. I waited till the updates.. woke up early.. saw them... debated for an hour or two.. and said, get the cheaper powerbook that you wanted for 2 years.... and I did...

but of course now that the new one is out, it gets stuck in my brain.

I'll probably just keep the Ti, because it will take all my will power not to open it, and I assume I will fall in love with it, the way i fell in love with my ibook.

So if you ever feel stupid, just look at me, and feel better about yourself.

[nobitacu]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
You don't get it. I did even the worst thing. I waited till the updates.. woke up early.. saw them... debated for an hour or two.. and said, get the cheaper powerbook that you wanted for 2 years.... and I did...

but of course now that the new one is out, it gets stuck in my brain.

I'll probably just keep the Ti, because it will take all my will power not to open it, and I assume I will fall in love with it, the way i fell in love with my ibook.

So if you ever feel stupid, just look at me, and feel better about yourself.

Wow, that really is harsh than. Well, in that case, you are one of the strongest Mac users I know. I'm sure you will have a great time with your new Ti. Just keep it until Powerbook G5s, than buy that to replease your Ti.

Ming

[Chemmy]

I ordered a 15" Alubook with the 1.25ghz G4 and a Superdrive after using one at the Apple store for an hour.

I told myself I wouldn't, but oh well. It's no hotter than my 600mhz iBook, and it's sexy.

[BrunoBruin]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
You don't get it. I did even the worst thing. I waited till the updates.. woke up early.. saw them... debated for an hour or two.. and said, get the cheaper powerbook that you wanted for 2 years.... and I did...

Mallrat, don't beat yourself up. I did EXACTLY what you did. I have been saying for months that if the specs of the new PowerBooks were not compelling, I would just buy a closeout 1GHz Ti. It would have been a decent upgrade for me. I debated two days and in the end came down on the side of the new model, chiefly because I felt like the speed boost would be more significant. The other features aren't that important to me (well, the light-up keyboard will be cool).

[clf8]

Originally posted by dennis88:
And don't forget the new ati 9600 that smokes the "old" ati 9000.

I've got a 15" AlBook on order, taking it's time since I upgraded to the faster hard drive and went with a single 512MB chip instead of the 2 256MB. I was tempted to get the 12" because it's ultra portable, but it all came down to the graphics chip. The Mobility 9600 is THE portable graphics card, hands down. That's what made my decision for me.

[eightoeight]

The OLD 15" PB wasn't very good in my opinion. Opening and closing it would warp the screen, my enter key would always fall off, and the rear ports weren't very accessible...and I had trouble getting my ethernet cable out. These are all personal problems I've had with a 15" TiBook, you might not feel the same way or have the same problems..but using the newer 12" and 17" PBooks...I like the keyboard a whole lot better. Glowy keyboard...mmmm I decided to get the superdrive even though I might rarely use it because it's nice to have...just in case my friends want to use it and stuff. Ok well this was a junkalunka post. On or before 9/24...AHHHHHHH can't wait Better then 10/2 for my Dual 2ghz which I cancelled for my powerbook...not that much less of a wait...but yeah...

[rjt1000]

hey mallrat,

with the intro of the 15 Al, the 15 Ti has definitely lost resale value.

i was at the soho store yesterday and the 15 Al is amazing.

i think you would be foolish to pass up the opportunity to return the Ti and get the Al

but heck, different strokes for different folks...

best wishes,

rich

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by rjt1000:
hey mallrat,

with the intro of the 15 Al, the 15 Ti has definitely lost resale value.

i was at the soho store yesterday and the 15 Al is amazing.

i think you would be foolish to pass up the opportunity to return the Ti and get the Al

but heck, different strokes for different folks...

best wishes,

rich

and I was just making myself feel better about my purchase.. thinking I can get Final Cut Pro 4 and start playing around....

well I could get the Al with the combo drive and then later get an external DVD drive....

but.... i don't know.

How does the 1x superdrive hold up. How long does it take to backup your harddrive? Say you fill the whole disc, does that mean it take one hour to fill it up?

How long would a 15 minute short film take to put on a DVD-R?

[fibroptikl]

These are general speeds for full capacity.

1x = 60 minutes
2x = 30 minutes
2.4x = 23 minutes
4x = 15 minutes
8x = 7.5 minutes

Again, general and not exact; but close enough to get an idea.

[cynikal]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
How does the 1x superdrive hold up. How long does it take to backup your harddrive? Say you fill the whole disc, does that mean it take one hour to fill it up?

How long would a 15 minute short film take to put on a DVD-R?

You don't have to be stuck with a 1x superdrive, you could use my 2x update and burn at 2x (and 16x cdr, and 1x dvd-rw).

it takes about 54 minutes to burn a full 4.37 gb disk.

As for the 15 minute video, it depends on how compressed it is.. in other words, how big the video is.. you can figure it out knowing how long it'll take for burning a full dvd.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by cynikal:
You don't have to be stuck with a 1x superdrive, you could use my 2x update and burn at 2x (and 16x cdr, and 1x dvd-rw).

it takes about 54 minutes to burn a full 4.37 gb disk.

As for the 15 minute video, it depends on how compressed it is.. in other words, how big the video is.. you can figure it out knowing how long it'll take for burning a full dvd.

hey are you the one that made that firmware patch?

anyone how safe is that to do.... or how unsafe is it?

[Kahpoosta Kid]

Originally posted by spalding12:
99% of folks say the keyboard on the new one is better
and the unit is MUCH cooler than the old one
i don't know who writes this stuff
these forums CAN be so useful
but they are always inhabited by:
1. trolls
2. folks from other companies posing as Apple owners

we ALL know this is true
but, for some reason, we frequently let them get under our skin when they say something that doesn't agree with our own feelings

the truth is....
unless you were born yesterday, you are surely aware that technology is always "last year" 1 minute after its purchase (IF you're lucky)

buy what makes you happy
isn't that why you work, afterall
life is too short to sweat all this stuff
do NOT overbuy
but buy what you like
and what make YOU happy
and don't worry about the others
there will ALWAYS be something better tomorrow
if you haven't learned to deal with that yet... you should cut up all your credit cards and shut down your connection to the internet immediately and NEVER TURN BACK...


THERE..
i feel better now

greg

Amen, brudder.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by Kahpoosta Kid:
Amen, brudder.

I'm leaning toward the new one.... it seems everything is better about it... except maybe the battery life... but then again I have mine plugged in 99 of the time and my current battery life is 1 hour....

I think I can live without the superdrive right away... am i the only one that thinks the superdrive should be standard?

I thought not.

I would love to have the option to burn DVD's, but unless I make a film their is no reall reason to need a superdrive other than for fun and for easy backup.

My Ti won't arrive until sept 23rd.. so I have plenty of time to go back and forth... it's actually more fun than getting either computer...

[nobitacu]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
I'm leaning toward the new one.... it seems everything is better about it... except maybe the battery life... but then again I have mine plugged in 99 of the time and my current battery life is 1 hour....

I think I can live without the superdrive right away... am i the only one that thinks the superdrive should be standard?

I thought not.

I would love to have the option to burn DVD's, but unless I make a film their is no reall reason to need a superdrive other than for fun and for easy backup.

My Ti won't arrive until sept 23rd.. so I have plenty of time to go back and forth... it's actually more fun than getting either computer...

Well, if I were you, without a second though, I would not open the 15" Ti and go straight to the store and trade it in for the new 15" Al.

Ming

[yellow no.5]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
hey are you the one that made that firmware patch?

anyone how safe is that to do.... or how unsafe is it?

Mallrat, check out this thread about the firmware patch.

Many-a-question-and-answering went on in that one. The update rocks for me.

-yno.5

[MusicalTone]

Mallrat, you might want to check out this issue thouroughtly before you decide:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=30728

[GENERAL_SMILEY]

Originally posted by spalding12:
...folks from other companies posing as Apple owners...

A touch paranoid?

[docholiday]

Mallrat, go with the new one. You can always get an external drive later on.

The things that make me go with the new one are: more rugged design, USB 2.0 (both my printer and scanner use it and a lot of perpipherals out there too), amazing Radeon card, and the backlit keyboard

I am a bit skeptical right now but I am sure once I receive the PB I will fall in love with it.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by docholiday:
Mallrat, go with the new one. You can always get an external drive later on.

The things that make me go with the new one are: more rugged design, USB 2.0 (both my printer and scanner use it and a lot of perpipherals out there too), amazing Radeon card, and the backlit keyboard

I am a bit skeptical right now but I am sure once I receive the PB I will fall in love with it.

no blacklit keyboard on 1999 model though, the one I would trade my Ti in for...

those are the little things that apple does that bugs me... why make they an option on only one.

[CobaltGT]

its an option, look closer

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by CobaltGT:
its an option, look closer

well i'm confused... it says this for the 15 and 17 inch models

Full size, illuminated with ambient light sensor


so doesn't that mean blacklit...

so all models have it?

[Sandbaggins]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
well i'm confused... it says this for the 15 and 17 inch models

Full size, illuminated with ambient light sensor


so doesn't that mean blacklit...

so all models have it?

Its a $69 option on the 15 combo drive model. Make sure you select it from the Keyboard and Mac OS Language drop down menu from the Apple Store.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by Sandbaggins:
Its a $69 option on the 15 combo drive model. Make sure you select it from the Keyboard and Mac OS Language drop down menu from the Apple Store.

so I'm right.. in a way...

I'm a bit afraid to buy a customize built apple since you can't return it...

also, to do a switch at the apple store you ahve to take it the way the computer is and that's without blacklit...

and to buy it cheaer and with free ram, you have to take it the way it is..

so I'm right.. in away

[11011001]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
How does the 1x superdrive hold up. How long does it take to backup your harddrive? Say you fill the whole disc, does that mean it take one hour to fill it up?

You know, if you are using your superdrive to backup your hardrive, a much better solution would be to use an external firewire drive. Faster and in the end the costs would be similar.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by 11011001:
You know, if you are using your superdrive to backup your hardrive, a much better solution would be to use an external firewire drive. Faster and in the end the costs would be similar.

true. but i'm more interested in making DVD of my short films...

1x just sounds so slow... but i guess it's better than nothing.

[bamchum]

I just ordered the 1.25Ghz and I"m going to sell my TiBook, which I've had for 10 months.

A couple of things to consider that haven't been mentioned:

1) On many TiBooks, including mine, the Airport reception is lousy. The antennas are in the wrong place. This is fixed in the new one.

2) On many TiBooks, the fans make a huge amount of noise. The new Al book doesn't have this problem as far as I can tell. I was at the Paris AppleExpo late this afternoon. The machines had been on all day and were sitting on light tables to boot. It was a hot environment and I couldn't hear a fan on any of them even if I picked the machine up and put my head next to it.

3) I don't know if bluetooth matters (or will matter) to you, but I use it and that dongle thing is a drag.

4) If you do get a Superdrive on the new one, it also burns DVD-RW apparently (though Apple doesn't advertise this fact). Cynikal's great firmware patch will allow this with the TiBook, but we don't yet know what side effects of that patch may be (if any).

That said, I've been happy with my TiBook even if it's been sent away to AppleCare twice (and is going a third time!). But that was mostly due to faulty repairs.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by bamchum:
I just ordered the 1.25Ghz and I"m going to sell my TiBook, which I've had for 10 months.

A couple of things to consider that haven't been mentioned:

1) On many TiBooks, including mine, the Airport reception is lousy. The antennas are in the wrong place. This is fixed in the new one.

2) On many TiBooks, the fans make a huge amount of noise. The new Al book doesn't have this problem as far as I can tell. I was at the Paris AppleExpo late this afternoon. The machines had been on all day and were sitting on light tables to boot. It was a hot environment and I couldn't hear a fan on any of them even if I picked the machine up and put my head next to it.

3) I don't know if bluetooth matters (or will matter) to you, but I use it and that dongle thing is a drag.

4) If you do get a Superdrive on the new one, it also burns DVD-RW apparently (though Apple doesn't advertise this fact). Cynikal's great firmware patch will allow this with the TiBook, but we don't yet know what side effects of that patch may be (if any).

That said, I've been happy with my TiBook even if it's been sent away to AppleCare twice (and is going a third time!). But that was mostly due to faulty repairs.

good points.... fan noise i've heard mixed things about.... i dont' really care about airport at this point... or bluetooth....

I had this feelting that getting the best Ti book ever made might be fun... since I know getting the rev A 15 powerbook will be cool, but in a year I will be angry.... at least now I dont' have to worry, I already know my computer is out of date, but yeah, it's the last one of it's kind.

And by the time I'm ready for a new one, something even better will be here.

Besides, FCP 4 works great on both machines and after all, it's all about waht you can do with it.

I think I'm worrying too much about cosmetics... but yes it is a sweet machine... if the 2000 model came with a superdrive i would be sold...

[bamchum]

Don't get me wrong: my TiBook is a great machine and I've loved using it, even with its faults.

I also think it still looks very slick. So it's hardly like you've made a bad choice. There are no bad choices in this case.

[John123]

Originally posted by dennis88:
10-15% faster?
I would say 30-35% faster.
And don't forget the new ati 9600 that smokes the "old" ati 9000.
The keyboard of the alu series is just perfect, and I can't belive that you actually like the plasticky keyboard on the Ti 1ghz better?
Sounds to me that you are only trying to convince yourself that the new powerbooks isn't better than yours.

I don't know why you would "say" 30-35% faster, because that's virtually impossible. Go look at the preliminary benchmarks. It's quite simple really -- ceteris paribus, a 25% increase in processor clockspeed is going to result in a LESS THAN 25% increase in speed. This is related to all kinds of stuff, but the gist of it is that there is "latent" time wasted in getting information to the processor. The biggest obstacles are things like hard drive speeds/access times and bus speeds.

Bus speed is one area where the new 15" improves over the old one...and whether its implementation of DDR is crappy like the pre-G5 desktops were is a question worthy of debate. But don't go telling the guy he should expect a 30% across-the-board speed improvement (and thus causing him to affect what he does with his $2000) without some pretty hard numbers.

The reality is that in day-to-day stuff -- i.e., stuff where you're not benchmarking Photoshop with a stopwatch in your hand -- you probably WILL see a speed difference of about 10%. That applies to stuff like tooling around in the Finder an the like. When I upgraded from my 667 to my 1Ghz, I'd say that was a 10-15% boost as well. Noticeable, but not ultra-significant.

[John123]

Originally posted by MusicalTone:
Like deciding what girl you want to be your girfriend it all comes down to what turns you on.

The difference is, your PowerBook can't turn you down....but with both, you'll sometimes have trouble turning it on, and with both, you can always count on them to be moody...

[bamchum]

For what it's worth, this site has benchmarks for both:

http://www.xrings.net/xrings/article...id_article=239

It's in French but the Xbench benchmarks are toward the bottom and in English.

This won't settle anything, though. It shows the Al Book getting an overall score of 107 and the TiBook 102. However, my 1Ghz TiBook gets scores in the 90-91 range, so I'm not sure what was different about their machine.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by bamchum:
For what it's worth, this site has benchmarks for both:

http://www.xrings.net/xrings/article...id_article=239

It's in French but the Xbench benchmarks are toward the bottom and in English.

This won't settle anything, though. It shows the Al Book getting an overall score of 107 and the TiBook 102. However, my 1Ghz TiBook gets scores in the 90-91 range, so I'm not sure what was different about their machine.

the new powerbooks have better keyboards and it seems one of the reasons is that now the memory is installed on the bottom... the keyboard just doesn't pop off like the ibook or Ti...

wondering if you feel the Ti keyboard is all right.... or does the new one just kick its butt.

[mactechie]

It's a question of taste really. isn't it. Some will prefer the thin lines and texture of the titanium over the alu, others the inverse...

I'm more of a desktop man than laptop, but I will say that the alu powerbook (except the 12" which I think is too small for comfort) really whet my appetite!

I provide service for Macs, what matters a lot to me is the following. Apple have listened to customers when they brought out the alu powerbook (at least I think) It appears robuster than the titanium, the display opens and closes with a lot less resistance than the titanium (this is very important over time!) The housing is less likely to buck or to tear...

In terms of design, yes there's taste, there's functionality too

[Maflynn]

Did you notice the date on the thread - it was last septemeber.

Mike