[andreas_g4]

I'm a bit confused. Apple made the 15" aluminum enclosure. Cool. But won't they put the G5 in a new enclosure when it's ready (0.09 ppc970)? I mean, most people say the G5 will be in Powerbooks earliest in summer 04. OK, but won't that be a very short time for a design? Will they unveil a new one or stick with the alu? Just curious.

ps. I can't imagine no one posted this before, but I really suck at finding the right search terms. Really.

[Maflynn]

Originally posted by andreas_g4:
I'm a bit confused. Apple made the 15" aluminum enclosure. Cool. But won't they put the G5 in a new enclosure when it's ready (0.09 ppc970)? I mean, most people say the G5 will be in Powerbooks earliest in summer 04. OK, .

Well, most of what has been said is all conjecture, apple has not officially stated when a G5 powerbook will be released so saying that we will see one next summer is pointless. The current g5 uses 9 fans, I don't know how they will put that in a laptop, even the 0.09 cpu will generate lots of heat (I presume). Thats my $0.02

Mike

[andreas_g4]

Originally posted by Maflynn:
Well, most of what has been said is all conjecture, apple has not officially stated when a G5 powerbook will be released so saying that we will see one next summer is pointless. The current g5 uses 9 fans, I don't know how they will put that in a laptop, even the 0.09 cpu will generate lots of heat (I presume). Thats my $0.02

Mike

The Powermacs will be at Dual 3 GHz next summer. Do you really believe an approx. 1.5+ GHz G4 will be enough then? Apple is in urgent need of a alternative to the G4 in the top portable line.

[Maflynn]

Originally posted by andreas_g4:
Do you really believe an approx. 1.5+ GHz G4 will be enough then? Apple is in urgent need of a alternative to the G4 in the top portable line.

I agree that there is a growing seperation with regards to performance and perception. Be that as it may, we don't know what apple is planning, look how long everyone waited for the Alu 15. People said it would be out by wwdc, macworld ny, and finally it would be released in paris (which it was).

Apple seems to operate on there own timetable which sometimes seems to go against common sense and even common business practice.

Even if apple does release a new G5 powerbook they don't have to use the new alu design, the can have a brand new enclosure, again we will have to wait and see.

Mike

[MusicalTone]

This year was the year of the Laptop. I think next year will be the year of the desktop. The G5 Desktop.

Laptops are a compromise and always will be, just because of the space issue.

I wouldnt expect a G5 in a laptop unitl way into next year. If you need the extra power the desktop is gonna be the way to go for the forseable future. Just look at the past 8 months if you are unsure.

[andreas_g4]

Originally posted by MusicalTone:
This year was the year of the Laptop. I think next year will be the year of the desktop. The G5 Desktop.

Laptops are a compromise and always will be, just because of the space issue.

I wouldnt expect a G5 in a laptop unitl way into next year. If you need the extra power the desktop is gonna be the way to go for the forseable future. Just look at the past 8 months if you are unsure.

You are probably right with your prediction regarding the timetable. But I disagree that you have to be stuck with a desktop if you want high performance. Of course, desktops will most likely be the most powerful machines, but I am sure much work is in progress to get laptops nearly as fast as desktops.

[andreas_g4]

Originally posted by Maflynn:
Even if apple does release a new G5 powerbook they don't have to use the new alu design, the can have a brand new enclosure, again we will have to wait and see.

Mike

Probably right. But that's my point. As you said, Apples practices are often uncommon, but a whole new enclosure for only one year...?

[MusicalTone]

Originally posted by andreas_g4:
You are probably right with your prediction regarding the timetable. But I disagree that you have to be stuck with a desktop if you want high performance. Of course, desktops will most likely be the most powerful machines, but I am sure much work is in progress to get laptops nearly as fast as desktops.

I dunno. The G4 laptops are looking pretty underpowered compared to even the G5 singles. My point is that if you really need to whack then the PBs are non starters - get a desktop, and preferably a MP one.

Laptops are great, and I for one am a very happy punter. But you have to realise that the expandabillity and performance of the new range of desktops leaves them standing performance wise. From HD, through Bus to Processor.

[Scooterboy]

This is precisley why Apple needs to and is no doubt now working to bring us a G5 PowerBook. IBM is doing their part bringing the PPC 970 down to .09µ, an apple needs to design the new logic board and smaller components needed for a new PowerBook G5.
Centrino and Pentium M will not stand still, and I highly doubt that Motorola will keep up with their G4. It barely is keeping up even with the new 7447.

Many others here have referenced IBM's own tech documents and roadmap on the PPC 970 G5 which show that heat will not be any more of an issue than it is with the current G4. Even the current .13µ G5 at 1.2 GHz would be comparable in heat output to the new G4 in the PowerBooks. The .09µ G5 will run much cooler.
The reason for the 9 fans in the desktop G5 is for quiet airflow to cool not only the dual 2 GHz G5's, but the HD, RAM, and massive video cards. The PowerMac G4 used noisy high speed fans for cooling, yet Apple can put G4's in PowerBooks.

IBM is doing their part, and it's nice to see the ball in Apple's court for once, instead of waiting on Motorola.

[todrain]

Whenever Apple uses a new chip nowadays, they redesign the case. The G4 got a new case, the G5 got a new case, and the Powerbook G4 did too!