[ballmann]

according to macfixit steve jobs said in an spanish interview: "He acknowledged that the strategic move will be the introduction of the laptops with the new 64 bits G5 chip, which Apple has developed with IBM with an investment of 3,000 million dollars. 'We are working on it and we would like to get it by the end of next year', Steve said.

that should do a lot against people floating these forums with rumors about upcomin powerbook G5 machines!
so - don´t wait another year ... go an get a new pb 15 now! i´ll do!

[buddy1065]

If your info is reliable there are certain folks like me who are happy to hear the news especially since we are well in a position to sit back until next year with a smile, like those with the 15" Ghz Ti and the 17" first version Powerbook. Makes me all the gladder I got my 17" when I did. In fact Ghz Ti and 867 owners should even be more happy to wait, since our performance for the most part more than meets out needs.
I can understand how 667 owners or lower would be tempted to buy now however, since the end of next year is a long way off and that new version 15" seems like the best thing since sliced bread.

[RooneyX]

And then Steve said 'Y hay una más cosa.'

[amazing]

Key phrasing: "We would like to..."

I'm sure Apple would like that--if wishes were fishes we'd all open a fish market.

[:dragonflypro:]

That is 15 months to announcement, probably 16-18 for delivery.

I think my MedAL will be quite nice 'til then!

Toby

[MusicalTone]

It may be the year of the laptop, but desktops are where it is at kick-ass performance wise for the forseable future. By the time they fit a single G5 in a laptop the desktops will have dual 3.5Ghz Gg's inside!

[nobitacu]

Sweet! now I'm really really glad that I didn't wait and got the first 17" model when it came out. I was planing to wait until the Powerbook G5s were out anyways before I switch to my next Powerbook. I can wait another year with no problem.

Ming

[Eug Wanker]

Mui caliente!

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Ya right, they just come out with new laptops then 2 months later they come out with G5's. Uh huh. I say 1 year from now at the earliest.

[Chemmy]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I say 1 year from now at the earliest.

You mean like the end of 2004?

[PeterKG]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Ya right, they just come out with new laptops then 2 months later they come out with G5's. Uh huh. I say 1 year from now at the earliest.

I say maybe a year from now you can order one. But wait three more months to get it!
So maybe mid 2005? By then I'll be ready to trade up again.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Chemmy:
You mean like the end of 2004?

Yes. If ones comes out by the end of this year I will buy you one.

[Chemmy]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Yes. If ones comes out by the end of this year I will buy you one.

I think you should reread this thread.

[John123]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Ya right, they just come out with new laptops then 2 months later they come out with G5's. Uh huh. I say 1 year from now at the earliest.

Ahem....(cough cough)...have you forgotten the introduction of the 17" and 12" PowerBooks 2 months after the revision of the 15" PB up to 1Ghz with SuperDrive?

[ledmirage]

Great!! Can't wait 'til I get my PowerBook G5 15" with 20" Cinema Display!!
I'm VERY happy with my 12" PB and I survived the encounter with 15" Al today, so I'm set for the future. I'm going to buy my mother an iMac around that time too. Life is beautiful. (at least in the Apple universe in my life.)

[MusicalTone]

Originally posted by John123:
Ahem....(cough cough)...have you forgotten the introduction of the 17" and 12" PowerBooks 2 months after the revision of the 15" PB up to 1Ghz with SuperDrive?

Ahem.... (sneeze sneeze) ... have you forgotten that the 15" 1Ghz with SuperDrive wasn't upgraded for nearly a year, and that the 12" and 17" only saw minor bumps?

If Steve says end of 2004, then don't you think he may be right? He is in a pertty good position to know after all.

[jade408]

if you were Steve Jobs, would you say: g5 powerbooks will be released in March, so go ahead and hold off on upgrading them so I will have a bunch of unsold inventory.


Before the end of 2004. The powerbook g5s could show up in March, he just doesn't want to cannabilize the revised versions sales even though they came out later than expected.

[GENERAL_SMILEY]

I was on the phone to Steve (the Big S as we like to call him) - and he told me, and these were his exact words "Son (because thats what he calls me), a watched kettle never boils. Think about it."

[Targon]

2004 holy crap thats way too long for me to wait and there is no way im gonna put money in to a machine with a G4 unless its atleast 2ghz.

I guess ill buy me a PC Intel Centrino laptop (these things are performing better than dual 1.25Ghz PowerMac's) until Apple produce a Powerbook worthy of its price tag (performance wise).

It will be a looooong year - _-

[MusicalTone]

Originally posted by jade408:
if you were Steve Jobs, would you say: g5 powerbooks will be released in March, so go ahead and hold off on upgrading them so I will have a bunch of unsold inventory.


Before the end of 2004. The powerbook g5s could show up in March, he just doesn't want to cannabilize the revised versions sales even though they came out later than expected.

I have no reason to doubt his word. It is worth a lot more to me than your doubt mongering. Remember, Apple does not usually coment on future products, so when they do say something. When Steve himself says something, I think we can trust him. I am sure Apple are well capable of handling their own inventory. They are a computer company after all.

What clearly would be damaging to Apple would be for most of 2004 to be filled with speculation about the impending introduction of a G5 PB (as was most of 2003 with the 15" AlBook) - now that wouldl hurt sales!

[MusicalTone]

Originally posted by Targon:
[BI guess ill buy me a PC Intel Centrino laptop (these things are performing better than dual 1.25Ghz PowerMac's) until Apple produce a Powerbook worthy of its price tag (performance wise). [/B]

Troll. Try running OSX on your Windowze machine.

[John123]

Originally posted by MusicalTone:
Ahem.... (sneeze sneeze) ... have you forgotten that the 15" 1Ghz with SuperDrive wasn't upgraded for nearly a year, and that the 12" and 17" only saw minor bumps?

If Steve says end of 2004, then don't you think he may be right? He is in a pertty good position to know after all.

God bless you ::hands kleenex::

The point is that there are times when Apple *CAN* and *DOES* do a major product introduction in a product line 2 months after doing a significant product revision.

All the talk in November of 2002 - early January 2003 was very similar to what you said -- "No, they wouldn't do a 17" PB; they just put a SuperDrive in; they just hit the 1Ghz barrier," and so on and so forth.

I agree that, if the quote was reported correctly, you'll see a G5 in a PowerBook sooner rather than later for the reasons others have espoused in this thread.

[John123]

Originally posted by MusicalTone:

What clearly would be damaging to Apple would be for most of 2004 to be filled with speculation about the impending introduction of a G5 PB (as was most of 2003 with the 15" AlBook) - now that wouldl hurt sales!

Which is exactly what his quote sets up, which is why I'd take his quote as a worst-case scenario.

Besides, with all of the people who've taken a look at the G5's power requirements, which are surprisingly low at low frequencies, it's not going to really take THAT much of a feat of engineering to get it into a smaller enclosures as long as the clock speeds are kept down.

[Eug]

Let's not derail this thread with banter about G5 PowerBooks in 2003, coming out only a few months after the G4 7447 PowerBooks. Let's stick to the original thread - PowerBooks by the end of 2004.

This statement goes along with what a lot of people have been guessing all along. If IBM is planning to shrink PPC 970 to 90 nm in 2004 for their 3 GHz monster, it would not be at all surprising if they could make a low GHz version (eg. 1.5-1.6 GHz), at lower voltage, for a PowerBook. Such a chip could possibly use even less power than a 1.33 GHz G4 7447, which is being used in PowerBooks right now.

Even if the low power version for PBs doesn't include the 1 MB L2 cache that some are predicting for the 3 GHz G5, that wouldn't be a bad thing. It would still likely be comparable to the current 1.6 GHz Power Mac CPU performance-wise.

I'd upgrade my TiBook SD in a heartbeat to one of these.

[Stradlater]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Yes. If ones comes out by the end of this year I will buy you one.

"this year" is 2003. READ BEFORE YOU POST

[Centris650]

I have had a hard time believing Steve would be walking around telling reporters Apple development timelines. Also, like someone posted above, I don't think Steve would hint at a G5 update within 6 months. That would nearly kill the powerbooks sales. (Except for the 15" since some peole have waited almost a year for the update!)

I'll be buying a powerbook early next year I'm hoping for a G5 upgrade then but I'm not holding my breath.

[Eug]

Originally posted by Centris650:
I have had a hard time believing Steve would be walking around telling reporters Apple development timelines.

Well, Steve has already told us of Apple's G5 Power Mac development timelines... twice. And Rubenstein has already hinted at a G5 PowerBook.

[Centris650]

Originally posted by Eug:
Well, Steve has already told us of Apple's G5 Power Mac development timelines... twice. And Rubenstein has already hinted at a G5 PowerBook.

The "3 Ghz Machine in 12 months" comment, while it might be true, was mainly for hype. To get people excited and to build up the crowd. (I'm not sure of the second comment you are refering to.) And Rebenstein, if I'm correct, stated that it would take some work to put the G5 into a portable.

I'm not trying to argue the point of WHEN the G5 powerbooks will come out I'm just saying don't believe everything you hear and don't get mad if it IS the end of next year when the G5 PBs are released. My only concern is how long can they drag out the G4s?

[beanman]

Yeah, I think I'll hold off for a year and see what comes out. G5 Powerbook? Oh hell yes...

[Eug]

Originally posted by Centris650:
The "3 Ghz Machine in 12 months" comment, while it might be true, was mainly for hype. To get people excited and to build up the crowd. (I'm not sure of the second comment you are refering to.) And Rebenstein, if I'm correct, stated that it would take some work to put the G5 into a portable.

I'm not trying to argue the point of WHEN the G5 powerbooks will come out I'm just saying don't believe everything you hear and don't get mad if it IS the end of next year when the G5 PBs are released. My only concern is how long can they drag out the G4s?

Of course it's hype. But it's telling hype, because Jobs hasn't done this in the recent past. Hell, he's been burned before, with the Motorola announcements way back when. But with the G5 3 GHz, he said it 3 months ago, and he said it again this week.

I'm just saying that end of 2004 IS a viable target date for the PowerBook. In fact, that's what many people (like myself) have been saying all along. We're just surprised that Jobs would agree publicly.

I still don't know how reliable this website is with their quotes however.

[Dougmc]

Personally, I can't give any credibility to any source of information which doesn't attribute their quotes (or actually, a paraphrase of Steve Jobs in this case). Journalistically speaking, the information is inaccurate, as there is no such thing as "3,000 million dollars". There is, however, $3 billion, which would be more accurate and previously reported in Apple press releases. So, since there's one very elementary error in the report, it's easy to assume that there likely are others.

[Eug]

Originally posted by Dougmc:
Personally, I can't give any credibility to any source of information which doesn't attribute their quotes (or actually, a paraphrase of Steve Jobs in this case). Journalistically speaking, the information is inaccurate, as there is no such thing as "3,000 million dollars". There is, however, $3 billion, which would be more accurate and previously reported in Apple press releases. So, since there's one very elementary error in the report, it's easy to assume that there likely are others.

I can't say if the report is valid or not, but I don't think you can truly comment on the grammar, etc. unless you can read the article in its original language. (In case you didn't realize, but the report is in a different language.) I don't understand the language, but I can provide a similar example for one I do understand. In Chinese 100000 is not one hundred thousand, it is 10 wan (where 1 wan is 10000). A direct translation would be ten ten-thousand in English, which obviously would sound very stupid.

Anyone with knowledge of language wanna comment on the article's translation?

[MusicalTone]

Originally posted by Eug:
Anyone with knowledge of language wanna comment on the article's translation?

Over here in Europe there are differences over what to call a Billion. Sounds like it might be a translation error.

[HotSoup]

This is good. I hope so. Now I won't be saddened when I get my PB in December and 3 months later there is one that is 3x faster.

[James L]

"Originally posted by Targon:
[BI guess ill buy me a PC Intel Centrino laptop (these things are performing better than dual 1.25Ghz PowerMac's) until Apple produce a Powerbook worthy of its price tag (performance wise). [/B]


Troll. Try running OSX on your Windowze machine."


LOL, why is it that as soon as anyone says anything along the lines of "the pc could be as good as the Mac", that people automatically call that person a troll?

The Centrino's have been performing well in test after test.... even beating the new 15" in many, if not most, tests. How is it that a person should be called a troll for looking into the possibility of getting a machine that performs well?

I purchased my first Mac in 1986...I have had 3 or 4 more since then. I also own a Dell for gaming and web design testing. Does that make me a troll too as I have only been using Macs for 17 years, and I own a pc?

I think some people here have some serious insecurities to deal with.

...but thanks for the chuckle all the same.

[Simon]

Originally posted by Centris650:
The "3 Ghz Machine in 12 months" comment, while it might be true, was mainly for hype.

No, that's not true. Be fair.

It was mainly for predictability. Something very important in the professional market where these machines are aimed at.

It was about showing the buyers part of the roadmap. It was about commitment to the G5.

Apple was often criticized for the lack of such roadmap info by potential buyers, but also by Mac users and even by people on this board.

Now they have heard the criticism and reacted in a positive way.

They did right and they deserve the credit for doing so.

[jindrich]

hi, the article is from a spanish web (from spain, not from south america), that i just didn't know about, btw.

in Spain we DON'T consider 1,000 million a billion, but it's called a "millardo" (a new word introduced just 3 years ago by the "Real Academia de la Lengua". Noone ever uses it yet).

In Spanish (or should I say "Castellano" or "Castillian", which is the right name for the Language of the Kingdom of Spain, while "Spanish" is what's spoken in South America), a BILLION is a Million of a Million.

to resume:

A) 1,000 million= one thousand million, or "millardo" (written 1.000)
B) 1,000,000 million= one billion (written 1.000.000)

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Reconoció después que la revolución decisiva será la introducción en los portátiles del nuevo chip de 64 bits, G5, que la compañía ha desarrollado junto a IBM, con una inversión de 3.000 millones de dólares. 'Estamos trabajando en ello y lo que nos gustaría es conseguirlo para finales del año que viene', afirmó.
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He later recognized that the definitive revolution will be the introduction into the laptops of the new 64 bit chip, the G5, that the company developed in partnership with IBM with a 3 billion dollar inversion (selfnote:not for the laptop G5, but for the whole G5 project).
"We're working on it, and what we'd like is to have it by the end of next year", he said.


And so a question. Do you think they'll be another powerbook G4 update/revision before the G5 gets into the whole powerbook line, or we're facing the last G4 powerbooks?

[Eug Wanker]

And so a question. Do you think they'll be another powerbook G4 update/revision before the G5 gets into the whole powerbook line, or we're facing the last G4 powerbooks?

Best would be new PowerBooks by summer with a G5. Somehow I'm guessing this won't be the case though.

The question now is if Motorola will be able to get reasonably powered 1.4 GHz chips for laptops by spring, with another update in Dec. 2004 for the G5. I'm guessing no however, and that it's quite possible the next machines will simply be 1.5+ GHz 90 nm G5s... announced in Q3 2004. Sounds like a nice 2004 Xmas present for myself.

BTW, I hope it comes with optical audio in/out. That would be cool and one killer laptop.