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So Panther (10.3) increases battery life to over 4 hours?
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If that is true and you can get over 4 hours, possibly even 5, on a full battery then why so many complaints? I know you will probably have to pay $130 for the upgrade, but it may be worth it to double your battery life right? Am I correct in saying that? The screenshots provided by some guy on here showed 4:45 I think.
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Originally posted by Jbroad572:
If that is true and you can get over 4 hours, possibly even 5, on a full battery then why so many complaints? I know you will probably have to pay $130 for the upgrade, but it may be worth it to double your battery life right? Am I correct in saying that? The screenshots provided by some guy on here showed 4:45 I think.
"I think".
Come on! Use your head..there is no way an OS upgrade is going to increase the battery life by almost twice as much.
Some people! 
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My friend just installed the lasted updaed and his ti book. When he unplugs it started off at about 4 and half hours.
If this is the case, and I send my 15 inch al pb back b/c of white spots, I will probably install the lastest version that is out.
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SKYMAN-"Come on! Use your head..there is no way an OS upgrade is going to increase the battery life by almost twice as much"
Well if 10.2.8 made my battery go down by 1/2 why can't Panther make it go up by twice as much!
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Wednesday and still no update on what caused batteries to go nuts after the 10.2.8 install.
(did the reset thing, did the battery calibration thing, went to Apple SOHO genius Bar thing, called Apple care, they all have no clues....but SOHO genius saw my problem for sure..and logged it in.....PB17" REV A" No third parties installed during the battery crazy readouts....only after the 10.2.8 update!)
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Originally posted by Lertsiri:
SKYMAN-"Come on! Use your head..there is no way an OS upgrade is going to increase the battery life by almost twice as much"
Well if 10.2.8 made my battery go down by 1/2 why can't Panther make it go up by twice as much!
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Wednesday and still no update on what caused batteries to go nuts after the 10.2.8 install.
(did the reset thing, did the battery calibration thing, went to Apple SOHO genius Bar thing, called Apple care, they all have no clues....but SOHO genius saw my problem for sure..and logged it in.....PB17" REV A" No third parties installed during the battery crazy readouts....only after the 10.2.8 update!)
Your battery life DID NOT decrease with OS 10.2.8. It is just a bogus battery monitor problem.
I still get almost three hours of battery life even though my battery indicator only shows 1.5 hours.
Some people!
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Originally posted by Lertsiri:
SKYMAN-"Come on! Use your head..there is no way an OS upgrade is going to increase the battery life by almost twice as much"
Well if 10.2.8 made my battery go down by 1/2 why can't Panther make it go up by twice as much!
hehe
Wednesday and still no update on what caused batteries to go nuts after the 10.2.8 install.
(did the reset thing, did the battery calibration thing, went to Apple SOHO genius Bar thing, called Apple care, they all have no clues....but SOHO genius saw my problem for sure..and logged it in.....PB17" REV A" No third parties installed during the battery crazy readouts....only after the 10.2.8 update!)
On my friends ti 1gighz powerbook after installing 10.3 he now has between 3.5-4.5 hours with airport on, downloading files and chatting.
When he was running 10.2.6 he had between 2 and 3 hours of battery life.
Like I said I plan on installing 10.3 when I get my new al pb if thats going to make a huge of difference. Taking the fact that the new al pbs suck when it comes to battery life.
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Originally posted by Sakino:
On my friends ti 1gighz powerbook after installing 10.3 he now has between 3.5-4.5 hours with airport on, downloading files and chatting.
Thats total BS!
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Originally posted by skyman:
Thats total BS!
Prove it.
I realize there is no real evidence for the original claim either, but it might be possible that battery life went up to 3.5/4 hours from 3....
On my 15" AlBook I usually get 2.5-3 hours.
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Dear Skyman,
OK so you say the battery readout is bogus, so let me see....a powerbook (pro use notebook designed by Apple costing 3 grand or so) will not tell you the right amount of life it has in the battery compartment in a situation that you need it to? Then whats the point of having a readout....to give fake and false readouts? Thats like false advertising! (lawsuit)
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Originally posted by skyman:
Thats total BS!
I'm not lying.
I'm sitting right next to him as we speak. He actually unplugged his computer an hour ago so that I could plug in my battery hog al pb and its still has about 3:20 left.
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Originally posted by Lertsiri:
Dear Skyman,
OK so you say the battery readout is bogus, so let me see....a powerbook (pro use notebook designed by Apple costing 3 grand or so) will not tell you the right amount of life it has in the battery compartment in a situation that you need it to? Then whats the point of having a readout....to give fake and false readouts? Thats like false advertising! (lawsuit)
What's your point?
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Originally posted by docholiday:
Prove it.
I realize there is no real evidence for the original claim either, but it might be possible that battery life went up to 3.5/4 hours from 3....
On my 15" AlBook I usually get 2.5-3 hours.
For some reason I dont even get close to that battery life when I unplug my al 15 from the power. It drives me nuts.
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Point is if you say that the readout is just bogus and chill out....thats not an acceptable answer for me.....that like saying I purchased a Mercedes but the MPH guage was off by 20 mph when reading it out....
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Originally posted by Sakino:
I'm not lying.
I'm sitting right next to him as we speak. He actually unplugged his computer an hour ago so that I could plug in my battery hog al pb and its still has about 3:20 left.
You are the ONLY one making this claim. There are hundreds of Panther beta testers out there and NOT one of them is make the same claim.
So, I call BS!
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Originally posted by Lertsiri:
Point is if you say that the readout is just bogus and chill out....thats not an acceptable answer for me.....that like saying I purchased a Mercedes but the MPH guage was off by 20 mph when reading it out....
I never said it was acceptable!!!
Where did I say that??
Some people!!
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Originally posted by skyman:
You are the ONLY one making this claim. There are hundreds of Panther beta testers out there and NOT one of them is make the same claim.
So, I call BS!
Well you all can think what you want. He just did a fresh install of 10.3 this afternoon. I have been sitting next to him doing calc work for the past 3 hours. And when he unplugged the 15 inch 1 gig hz ti when I needed to hook up my battery to the power supply it read about 4:15.
Its been about an hour and half so far and he is at 3 as we speak. His usage was airport, and downloading files. At the same time chatting.
Personally I wouldn't spread bullshit information that isnt me. I hate it when people talk **** out of their ass. You can take this information in a positive way or you can deny it. Its your choice.
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Originally posted by docholiday:
Prove it.
I realize there is no real evidence for the original claim either, but it might be possible that battery life went up to 3.5/4 hours from 3....
On my 15" AlBook I usually get 2.5-3 hours.
If you really believe that upgrading to Panther is going to give you 4.5 hours of battery life then I have some prime swamp land in Florida that I would like to sell you.
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"Your battery life DID NOT decrease with OS 10.2.8. It is just a bogus battery monitor problem.
I still get almost three hours of battery life even though my battery indicator only shows 1.5 hours.
Some people!"
Well, ok You never said it was alright.....apologize for that remark....but for me, I'm not going to take this and say
"I still get almost three hours of battery life even though my battery indicator only shows 1.5 hours"
thats just not right in my mind...after forking out 3 grand for a pro use notebook....especially if your work is mobile based (thus notebook purchase as opposed to Desktop)
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Originally posted by Sakino:
Well you all can think what you want. He just did a fresh install of 10.3 this afternoon. I have been sitting next to him doing calc work for the past 3 hours. And when he unplugged the 15 inch 1 gig hz ti when I needed to hook up my battery to the power supply it read about 4:15.
Its been about an hour and half so far and he is at 3 as we speak. His usage was airport, and downloading files. At the same time chatting.
Personally I wouldn't spread bullshit information that isnt me. I hate it when people talk **** out of their ass. You can take this information in a positive way or you can deny it. Its your choice.
Is your friend a beta tester for Apple?
Where did he get a copy of 10.3?
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Originally posted by skyman:
If you really believe that upgrading to Panther is going to give you 4.5 hours of battery life then I have some prime swamp land in Florida that I would like to sell you.
I dont understand why you seem to be denying this claim.
As the poster stated. 1 person has already gotten 4:45 hours on battery life with 10.3.
Now I would like to say I am the second person to see this with 10.3.
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Originally posted by Sakino:
For some reason I dont even get close to that battery life when I unplug my al 15 from the power. It drives me nuts.
I was in the library today studying for a computer science exam: reading PDFs, running iTunes about half the time, close to full brightness, using Safari to read online notes, using Terminal, and Project Builder.
And after 2.5 hours I still had a few percent left in it.
I guess it depends on what kind of work you do. But your battery life is way less than that then you may have a problem with your battery or you haven't calibrated it properly.
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Originally posted by Lertsiri:
"Your battery life DID NOT decrease with OS 10.2.8. It is just a bogus battery monitor problem.
I still get almost three hours of battery life even though my battery indicator only shows 1.5 hours.
Some people!"
Well, ok You never said it was alright.....apologize for that remark....but for me, I'm not going to take this and say
"I still get almost three hours of battery life even though my battery indicator only shows 1.5 hours"
thats just not right in my mind...after forking out 3 grand for a pro use notebook....especially if your work is mobile based (thus notebook purchase as opposed to Desktop)
I am NOT saying it is correct or right.
I am making a statement that 10.2.8 did NOT decrease the battery life of PowerBooks. It only screwed up the PM and battery monitor.
The battery life has NOT changed.
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Originally posted by skyman:
Is your friend a beta tester for Apple?
Where did he get a copy of 10.3?
In reality does it matter where we got the copy?
We are currently debating over the battery life.
How old are you 12?
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Originally posted by docholiday:
I was in the library today studying for a computer science exam: reading PDFs, running iTunes about half the time, close to full brightness, using Safari to read online notes, using Terminal, and Project Builder.
And after 2.5 hours I still had a few percent left in it.
I guess it depends on what kind of work you do. But your battery life is way less than that then you may have a problem with your battery or you haven't calibrated it properly.
Your talking about the al pb right. I calibrated 2 times and it still seems to stuck up battery life. Since I have 3 white spots, maybe I should just return the laptop for a new one tomorrow. 
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"I am NOT saying it is correct or right.
I am making a statement that 10.2.8 did NOT decrease the battery life of PowerBooks. It only screwed up the PM and battery monitor.
The battery life has NOT changed."
Ok skyman, point understood...but that still leave another question for you to answer.....if the battery is calibrated and checked by percentage or approximate time left with some chip or OS based meter, THEN would recharging something that it does not know the exact readout undercharge or OVERCHARGE a battery?
Lets put our heads together for this..... seriously...
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Originally posted by Sakino:
I dont understand why you seem to be denying this claim.
As the poster stated. 1 person has already gotten 4:45 hours on battery life with 10.3.
Now I would like to say I am the second person to see this with 10.3.
Who is this mysterious second person who is reporting 4.5 hours of battery life?
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Originally posted by Lertsiri:
"I am NOT saying it is correct or right.
I am making a statement that 10.2.8 did NOT decrease the battery life of PowerBooks. It only screwed up the PM and battery monitor.
The battery life has NOT changed."
Ok skyman, point understood...but that still leave another question for you to answer.....if the battery is calibrated and checked by percentage or approximate time left with some chip or OS based meter, THEN would recharging something that it does not know the exact readout undercharge or OVERCHARGE a battery?
Lets put our heads together for this..... seriously...
Valid point.
I have had no problems with charging my battery with 10.2.8. But that does not mean that there may be a problem that we are not aware of.
Overcharging.... a possibility.
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Originally posted by skyman:
Who is this mysterious second person who is reporting 4.5 hours of battery life?
I JUST STATED I WAS SITTING NEXT TO MY ROOMMATE WHO CURRENTLY IS USING 10.3 ON HIS TI 15 INCH 1.0 GIG HZ POWERBOOK with normal USAGE. WHEN he went on battery life it stated 4:15 hours. After normal usage of about 2 and half hours his battery life states 2:00.
Therefore I am the second person to state that it is possible to get well over 4 hours of battery life with 10.3.
Right now he is actually watching a movie, and has been doing that for the past 30 minutes. Battery life hasnt gone down that much.
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Originally posted by Sakino:
In reality does it matter where we got the copy?
We are currently debating over the battery life.
How old are you 12?
I dont beleive that you are running 10.3 and I don't believe that you are getting 4.5 hours of battery life.
Lets see a screen shot to prove it. I mean if you got a copy of 10.3 then you should be smart enough to show us a screen shot of the battery monitor and the "About this Mac" screen.
I dare you to prove me wrong!
And I am 11 years old.
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for skyman who has thoughts of overcharging (as I do) with 10.2.8 and Powerbook Battery due to OS 10.2.8 not knowing the correct readout....I'd advise operating only on AC power and remover the battery from the powerbook (gently and with utmost care)
Until 10.2.9 or 10.2.8.1 comes out for the fixes we need....
For reverence to topic starter on Panther giving us lots of battery time on PB....Just like to say that I like the idea....but proven or not, I don't want to have to BUY something from Apple to Fix something Apple DID to my computer Battery time wacky readout meter...
Sky Man, thanks for pointing a few things out to me....until we meet again....hahaahhaahah
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Originally posted by skyman:
I dont beleive that you are running 10.3 and I don't believe that you are getting 4.5 hours of battery life.
Lets see a screen shot to prove it. I mean if you got a copy of 10.3 then you should be smart enough to show us a screen shot of the battery monitor and the "About this Mac" screen.
I dare you to prove me wrong!
And I am 11 years old.
Alright I will umm do you want me to show you the current battery life and what he is doing.
Lemme find an ftp program so I can upload it to my server.
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Originally posted by Sakino:
Alright I will umm do you want me to show you the current battery life and what he is doing.
Lemme find an ftp program so I can upload it to my server.
All I am trying to say is that there is no way that a simple OS upgrade is going to increase battery life by almost 80%. It is not possible, PERIOD!
Yes, Panther is great and has some cool new features but an almost 80% increase in battery life is not one of them.
I truly wish it were....but its not.
And again...you are the only PowerBook user to report such a finding.
Logic and sound reasoning are against you. Sorry. 
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Originally posted by Sakino:
Alright I will umm do you want me to show you the current battery life and what he is doing.
Lemme find an ftp program so I can upload it to my server.
http://home.mia.net/~rupee/pic.pdf
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Originally posted by skyman:
All I am trying to say is that there is no way that a simple OS upgrade is going to increase battery life by almost 80%. It is not possible, PERIOD!
Yes, Panther is great and has some cool new features but an almost 80% increase in battery life is not one of them.
I truly wish it were....but its not.
And again...you are the only PowerBook user to report such a finding.
Logic and sound reasoning are against you. Sorry.
I just posted the picture. I must say I am not here to spread bullshit. As you can see the battery life is at about half with 2 hours running. I just looked over at his battery life and its still at 1:56 after watching some tv. 
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Originally posted by Sakino:
I just posted the picture. I must say I am not here to spread bullshit. As you can see the battery life is at about half with 2 hours running. I just looked over at his battery life and its still at 1:56 after watching some tv.
Well, I stand corrected. Removing foot from mouth....
Looks like you are running 10.3.. Can I have a copy?
As for the battery life...well you know where I stand on that issue. 
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Originally posted by skyman:
I am NOT saying it is correct or right.
I am making a statement that 10.2.8 did NOT decrease the battery life of PowerBooks. It only screwed up the PM and battery monitor.
The battery life has NOT changed.
You've posted this repeatedly, and this is incorrect. It may be the case for you, but in my case, my actual battery time has decreased from a hair over 3:00, to 1:45, after "upgrading" from 10.2.6 to 10.2.8 on my TiSD.
Powerbook users installing 10.2.8 have seen how "your mileage may vary," as some powerbooks' battery duration has been unchanged, some have simply had incorrect readouts on the battery meter, and yet many others have documented fairly substantial loss of battery duration, even after jumping through all the hoops (recalibrating the battery, resetting vram, resetting power manager, repairing permissions, running fsck, "downgrading" back to 10.2.6, etc.)
MacFixIt's post today reminded readers about permanent damage caused to some powerbook's batteries, requiring replacement, after installing 10.2.4. Again, it didn't happen to everyone, but it happened to a significant number!
Macintouch.com today posted a note from a reader that was interesting:
"After installing the 10.2.8 update on my less-than-3-month-old 12" alBook, I noticed that, like many others on this site, my battery life had been slashed from 3.5 hours to 2 hours on a full charge. I tried resetting my nvram via the OpenFirmware screen, but there was no change in my battery's calculated time of life. Today I called AppleCare and asked about why my battery was acting so strangely. I was put on hold for a few minutes while the phone tech. talked to someone else. He came back on the line and said that it was a known issue, and that Apple wasn't recalling batteries just yet. He also said that restoring the system software to 10.2.6 wouldn't fix the problem. He said Apple is working on a fix and will release it soon via Software Update."
I'm patiently waiting for Apple to post an update to "fix" what 10.2.8 did to my battery, otherwise I'll be expecting a replacement from them.
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My friend try it out and you will see first hand that the battery life is amazing.
I know its hard to prove battery life thru screen shots, but right now I am looking at his screen and its up to 2:00 hours left. I know he has had his computer unplugged since we got to the library at 10ish.
And you got a pm.
I think I would like to see it in action tomorrow. I'm going to have him run the a movie all day tomorrow with the battery power on and airport on. I wanna see how long it goes
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Dear iBorg, so if apple somehow doesn't take back bad batteries that they screw up due to an OS10.2.8 upgrade that was somehow authorized to be on the automatic APPLE SOFTWARE UPGRADE, then that would stink...
However would Applecare change all that? I would in this case have Apple give me a new non deffective battery with my Applecare and leave the battery outside the powerbook's body until the new update is out and verified to fix the battery issue...
Anyone with me on this?
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Originally posted by Sakino:
My friend try it out and you will see first hand that the battery life is amazing.
I know its hard to prove battery life thru screen shots, but right now I am looking at his screen and its up to 2:00 hours left. I know he has had his computer unplugged since we got to the library at 10ish.
And you got a pm.
I think I would like to see it in action tomorrow. I'm going to have him run the a movie all day tomorrow with the battery power on and airport on. I wanna see how long it goes
Got it...thanks..
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Skyman, I think you should thank sakino for letting us know instead of just call him a lier and such.
Thank you for letting us know sakino!
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Originally posted by dennis88:
Skyman, I think you should thank sakino for letting us know instead of just call him a lier and such.
Thank you for letting us know sakino!
NP maybe i will try to get more information from him later in the week. I got mid terms next week so I am really busy.
I will tell you one thing, he IS VERY HAPPY with the 10.3. He notices a MAJOR MAJOR speed improvement. Battery life was amazing, I was shocked to see the amount of work he got done with out even charging it. He left at 12:30 with a battery life of about 2 hours after well over 2 and half hours of moderate - heavy usage. Apple did something right it seems
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Can you ask him to try out xbench?
Now I'm sure I'm gonna buy panther for my new powerbook, that should arrive in some hours!
Thanks!
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Originally posted by dennis88:
Can you ask him to try out xbench?
Now I'm sure I'm gonna buy panther for my new powerbook, that should arrive in some hours!
Thanks!
ohhh he showed my the bench marks, they were REALLY GoOD?! I didn't understand but from what he told me there is a MAJOR IMPROVEMENT. Basically I think apple has done a gone all ape **** on optimizing their new os.
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Skyman, you are an idiot... some people.
If you would take the time to read, I have counted at least 10 to 15 reports of Panther beta testers that have reported their battery life going up between 40 and 75 percent. Leaving them with a good 4 or more hours when before they had just under 3.
Did you design panther? How the hell would you know if it can save your battery. There are tons of ways an OS can do this, just from the way it manages each piece of hardware.
Wow, ......
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God! I got more than 4 hours and 40 minutes on the stock 17 inch the last two days, when I timed it twice(bluetooth,AP off, in well lit office with brightness down a bit). And this is with the factory installed OS X.
Does that mean I could possibly have more than 6 and a half hours of pure pleasure coming to me with 10.3?
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Originally posted by beijinger:
God! I got more than 4 hours and 40 minutes on the stock 17 inch the last two days, when I timed it twice(bluetooth,AP off, in well lit office with brightness down a bit). And this is with the factory installed OS X.
Does that mean I could possibly have more than 6 and a half hours of pure pleasure coming to me with 10.3?
I would guess so.
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Originally posted by Sakino:
ohhh he showed my the bench marks, they were REALLY GoOD?! I didn't understand but from what he told me there is a MAJOR IMPROVEMENT. Basically I think apple has done a gone all ape **** on optimizing their new os.
How much points did he get?
Thanks!
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Originally posted by skyman:
Your battery life DID NOT decrease with OS 10.2.8. It is just a bogus battery monitor problem.
I still get almost three hours of battery life even though my battery indicator only shows 1.5 hours.
Some people!
Yeah, that is the case with my new Powerbook. it is running 10.2.7, it constantly only said it has 2:00 of battery life, but I get on average of 3:00.
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There are several ways in which a change of OS software could potentially make battery life better or worse. I don't know if that's what's happening with 10.2.8 or 10.3--but it's NOT impossible.
The following are some factors that affect power consumption and can be changed by software:
* How much data is cached to disk for different purposes, requiring the HD to spin up
* How soon the HD spins back down
* How the caching occurs over time--in "bunches" or spaced-out small batches that result in more spin-ups/downs
* How hard the GPU works
* How hard the CPU works
* When other more minor components are active or inactive (speakers, internal chips, etc.)
* When the fans come on or don't
* Triggering of specific power-saving modes in the GPU and CPU
The above could all, in theory, be handled more efficiently and intelligently by improving system software.
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I have a rev b 17" and am using 10.3 ; look at my Battery Life
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LC 16Mhz • LC 475 25Mhz • Centris 650 25Mhz • Performa 6200/75Mhz • G3 266Mhz • Snow iMac DVSE 500Mhz
G4 QS 733Mhz • 17" Powerbook 1.33Ghz • 15" MacBook Pro Core Duo 2.16Ghz • Mac Pro 8-Core 3.0 Ghz
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