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runejoha · Nov 30, 2003, 08:15 PM

Amd 65 and Intel perform better than the G5:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...49,pg,8,00.asp

Why is the difference gap in this size?

shabbasuraj · Nov 30, 2003, 10:15 PM

wrong forum

Pierre B. · Dec 1, 2003, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by runejoha:
Amd 65 and Intel perform better than the G5:

To be precise, they perform better in these tests. If the applications tested are important to you, then Intel and AMD is the way to go.

But it is ridiculous to use as benchmarks applications like Word or Quake (for the others I don't know), that have been written and heavily optimized for the x86 and then ported to PPC. You benchmark the porting quality, not exactly the processor. And don't forget to look at the new top500 list to see what systems got trounced by the G5 (and this does not take into account Altivec)...

daftpig · Dec 1, 2003, 08:54 AM

That article has been discussed before a LONG time back.

Kindly do a search before an earnest post.

Regards,
kwokheng

anaphora68 · Dec 1, 2003, 09:09 AM

The appropriate place for that article is the powerpc forum, since both processors being discussed are not mobile at this time.

forcelite · Dec 1, 2003, 09:39 AM

like pointed out above, if you were to test a G5 and Amd 64 with some native programs then you would probably find they are very close. (say final cut and adobe premier, on their respected systems)

People can benchmark all they want but remember that its real world applications and tasks that really matter.

Almost all the benchmarks just theoretical and not an actual game or application. Some however do bench the actual game (quake 3 bench) and the actual app (final cut rendering times).

But defiantly something to keep in mind.

runejoha · Dec 1, 2003, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by daftpig:
That article has been discussed before a LONG time back.

Kindly do a search before an earnest post.

Regards,
kwokheng

I excuse myself if anyone got offended of the basis from this text. I find it hard to discuss real facts on this forum. You have very often strong opinions in ares where you migh time to time not have all the competence needed. I know this is an old test, but I have not been on this forum for a long time, and I find it appropriate to compare these two CPUs. And I do not care if you think this on the right forum or not. I started the thread and I find it best to discuss it here because the real marked today is in laptops.

Sometimes it is very obious that you do not preciate objective debate and want to stick to your religion blided for many facts. You do not preciate people with special competence here. This is very sad for you and this forum, not to mention the Apple community. Maybe this is the largest weakness for Apple?

forcelite · Dec 1, 2003, 12:01 PM

There is some truth with regard to how Apple people love their product and want to believe in them.

However you have to remember that the mass majority of computer users are PC people and think that pc's are better.

i.e., allot of the reviews writers and comparison tests are done by these people.

Then you get the mac reviews and you can tell that those guys like Mac's, it goes back and forth.

However there is some very good reasons for people wanting posts in the right forum. Many people use forums as a way to search for needed information. Imagine going to a library and trying to research natural disaster information, when that whole section was actually in the fiction section. That would not make any sense and if it were something of great importance then it would be even more of a problem.

The concept is the same, organizing information helps people find it better, which is why they are saying this.

benb · Dec 1, 2003, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by runejoha:
Don't make up fake quotes!

Those tests are so crappy it's almost not even laughable. The programs they chose are a joke. Word? Yay! Premiere? Not even coded for the Mac anymore! Different RAM? What's RAM!

acadian · Dec 1, 2003, 01:15 PM

Wow, comparing platform preferenced apps, big deal. Run the same premiere test on a dual 2ghz in Final Cut 4 and see what the difference is. And dont give me the premiere runs on both platforms crap, they stopped updating it for the MacOS two generations ago. They're running apps that are highly optimized for x86 boxes and crippled on the G5. Just like every other pc weenie out there bitched and moaned about iTunes encoding bakeoff's bewteen mac's and pc's when the windows version was released, saying that the app was platform preferenced. They were right, but the same rule applies here.

Thinine · Dec 1, 2003, 02:55 PM

They should have run the Photoshop tests with more filters and a larger file (600MB). Then the G5 would have cleaned up.

And if they wanted to, they could redo the MP3 encoding test using iTunes on both platforms.

runejoha · Dec 1, 2003, 04:05 PM

This is probably pretty true. A optimized x86 program is always better on a x86 proxessor. I expected this people to be objective but it might be hopeless to find some real qualified test here. I did find a pretty good test between tha AMD64 and Intel where the new AMD processor (of course) beated the new Intel (which is 32). The amd was faster on most tests except quake 3. The reason is that John Carmack optimized this motor heavily for the Intel because of the marked back then, which even prove that for the same architecture there are big differences. I know that photoshop is very good on PPC, but I might want to see some other good programs other than this

>>*However there is some very good reasons for people wanting posts in the right forum. Many people use forums as a way to search for needed information. Imagine going to a library and trying to research natural disaster information, when that whole section was actually in the fiction section. That would not make any sense and if it were something of great importance then it would be even more of a problem. <<

I still think that this discussion belongs just as much here than another place. If a person is interested in the technical part of the future and todays Apple-products he is probably coming here when we know that laptops is the best-seller nowdays.

regards
runejoha

Originally posted by Thinine:
They should have run the Photoshop tests with more filters and a larger file (600MB). Then the G5 would have cleaned up.

And if they wanted to, they could redo the MP3 encoding test using iTunes on both platforms.