[hldan]

I've only posted 3 times asking for help to resolve a situation as to why my 17" Powerbook will not wake up from sleep randomly after opening the lid. I noticed that several people read my post but ignore it. I wondered if anyone experienced the same thing and had a solution but I noticed that unless it's B.S. that gets posted people will ignore it.
Several people post ridiculous B.S. and get several responses and I even offer to help them out but I never get helped in this forum. Are you all looking for stupid postings to respond to or are you all here to really help the Mac community?

[rjenkinson]

here's a thought: maybe the people who read your post couldn't help you.

-r.

[hldan]

Originally posted by rjenkinson:


here's a thought: maybe the people who read your post couldn't help you.

-r.

There's no reason for you to show a rude and low I.Q sarcastic remark. I was concerned that nobody wanted to help since it's not that technical of a question. You don't have to be a jerk about it. JERK!

[Ryan1524]

i'd say this is not the best approach to ask for help...

[HotSoup]

I've had it even worse hldan, where my question was answered, wrongly. Some guy just appeared in my thread and said 'nope'. When I later found the answer was 'yep'. He couldn't at least give me that 'yep'. Let alone elaborating.

Originally posted by rjenkinson:

here's a thought: maybe the people who read your post couldn't help you.

-r. [/B]

here's another thought: Don't be a jerk.

[hldan]

Originally posted by HotSoup:
I've had it even worse hldan, where my question was answered, wrongly. Some guy just appeared in my thread and said 'nope'. When I later found the answer was 'yep'. He couldn't at least give me that 'yep'. Let alone elaborating.



here's another thought: Don't be a jerk.

Thanks for being kind about it Hotsoup. I don't mean to bark but I help people in this forum several times and they say that my help has resolved their issues but that doesn't mean that I am beyond needing help. I have Mac questions too and that's how I learn so I can help others. Hopefully someone can help me resolve mine.

[Macola]

Originally posted by hldan:
Hopefully someone can help me resolve mine.

I must have missed your original posts...I don't know if this will help, but it's worth a try. I had a similar problem with my 12" AlBook after updating to 10.2.8. Here's what worked for me:

Boot into Open Firmware (Cmd+Opt+O+F). Then type the following commands (hit return after each):

reset-nvram
reset-all

After the second, your PB should reboot. This is equivalent to zapping PRAM and resetting the PMU, so you may need to reset your clock.

HTH.

[popstand]

Originally posted by HotSoup:
here's another thought: Don't be a jerk.

So posting a thread entitled "some of you guys suck" isn't rude? Give me a break. It isn't uncommon for somebody to read a post and not reply, not because they are unhelpful but because they do not have the knowledge or expertise to help with the problem. Do you really think people are reading your threads and thinking to themselves "Gosh, I could really help with this guys problem, but I think I'll just be a jerk and withold the information out of spite! Ha! Ha! Ha!"

[skyman]

Originally posted by hldan:
I've only posted 3 times asking for help to resolve a situation as to why my 17" Powerbook will not wake up from sleep randomly after opening the lid. I noticed that several people read my post but ignore it. I wondered if anyone experienced the same thing and had a solution but I noticed that unless it's B.S. that gets posted people will ignore it.
Several people post ridiculous B.S. and get several responses and I even offer to help them out but I never get helped in this forum. Are you all looking for stupid postings to respond to or are you all here to really help the Mac community?

It's not the best idea to title your post as "Some of you guys here suck!".

A better subject would have been "Calling all Mac techs.. I need help, please!"

A majority (notice I did not say everyone) of the people here are not technically proficient when it comes to problems with the Mac. Most are just like yourself.

Also, this is not the best place to post technical issues. The best place is to post them on Apples discussion forum.

http://discussions.info.apple.com/

Also, if you PowerBook is less than a year old then you have free tech support. Just call 1-800-SOS-APPLE.

Random problems are the most difficult to troubleshoot because they are random and could be caused by one or more hardware or software issues.

Hope that helps.

[mainemanx]

Originally posted by popstand:
So posting a thread entitled "some of you guys suck" isn't rude? Give me a break. It isn't uncommon for somebody to read a post and not reply, not because they are unhelpful but because they do not have the knowledge or expertise to help with the problem. Do you really think people are reading your threads and thinking to themselves "Gosh, I could really help with this guys problem, but I think I'll just be a jerk and withold the information out of spite! Ha! Ha! Ha!"

HiDan ... the best thing for you to do is wait until your warranty expires ... then go to your nearest AppleStore, hopefully hundreds of miles away, tell the Genius not only what a POS your computer is, but also what a jerk the Genius is ... make sure the Genius understands YOUR problem is software not hardware, DEMAND Apple backup your hard drive, etc. Apple will be HAPPY to take YOUR money and fix YOUR problem.

Alternative versions of the above rant ... you get what you pay for, quid pro quo, tit for tat .... TANSTAAFA ... The Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Answer ... if you don't pay in advance, you will pay later ...

P.S. Free lecture ... Merry Christmas!

Wow ... that WAS fun!

[WizOSX]

In general I think people in this forum are pretty good about giving help. But, in your case, I think two things are working against you. First, the problem is the sort that is difficult to say too much about at a distance. If its a very specific question about how to do something, then that is much easier to answer. You'd have to wait for someone with a 17" who had the same sort of intermittent problem and who got it resolved--problem very few of those around. Secondly, the time of year. If you notice, the number of people reading this forum right now is very small (sometimes 2 or 3 instead of the usual 10-20). So you're looking for an unusual person at an unusual time.

[hldan]

To Macola I have tried the reset NVRAM idea and so far so good but I will see how things go and thanks so much for the helpful hand. And to everyone else who responded I will absorb what you wrote whether positive or negative.
Have a good holiday.

[mrgaskell]

I have had something like the problem you are experiencing now. My 12" PB likes to go right back to sleep when I open it from time to time. I atribute it to having password protection when I open the lid (it asks for a p/w). Are you running 10.3.2? FileVault? open Firmware p/w? Any haxies on your system? All those may contribute the problems waking from sleep.

jg

[hldan]

Originally posted by mrgaskell:
I have had something like the problem you are experiencing now. My 12" PB likes to go right back to sleep when I open it from time to time. I atribute it to having password protection when I open the lid (it asks for a p/w). Are you running 10.3.2? FileVault? open Firmware p/w? Any haxies on your system? All those may contribute the problems waking from sleep.

jg

I am running 10.3.2 but I don't use any of the features you mentioned. I did reset the NVRAM using open firmware as suggested from another helper and so far no issues with sleep but I'll have to give it few tries.

[mrgaskell]

Is it not waking up at all, or waking up and going right back to sleep?

[hldan]

Originally posted by mrgaskell:
Is it not waking up at all, or waking up and going right back to sleep?

What's been happening is that it works just fine and then I close the lid and it goes to sleep and then an hour or so later I open it back up and the pulsing sleep light goes out as it should but all I get is a black screen but I can hear the HDD running but I cannot get the screen to show anything. I end up having to hold down the power button and force it to shut down and then start it back up and all is well until the next time it happens.
I read on the Apple forums that someone else had this issue but there was no resolution.
I'm not sure if this issue is Panther related. The reason that I won't call Apple for help is because they usually want to send you (the customer) a box to ship the computer to them and then they mess with it and it comes back worse. I know this for sure because I had the 1Ghz 17" and they damaged the whole computer while trying to replace my screen for stuck pixels. They ended up replacing it with the new 1.33Ghz 17". I don't want them to touch this one unless it is absolutely necessary especially if it's just a software issue.

[Podolsky]

All of us should do our very best to use the Search feature here: http://forums.macnn.com/search.php as much as possible before posting a question. Your topic, like others that don't get answered, have been covered so exhaustively that folks just assume you can read the info by searching. Also, you get to read everything written on a topic and can pick and choose among the hits to extract your best course of action.

I think you were being rude to just get some attention - it worked!

[hldan]

Originally posted by Podolsky:
All of us should do our very best to use the Search feature here: http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?s= as much as possible before posting a question. Your topic, like others that don't get answered, have been covered so exhaustively that folks just assume you can read the info by searching. Also, you get to read everything written on a topic and can pick and choose among the hits to extract your best course of action.

I think you were being rude to just get some attention - it worked!

Well, sorry to tell you that your assumption is wrong. I have better things to do than just whine for attention. I read this forum everyday and I have never seen this topic come up and since my computer is the latest model there are not going to be many old threads of discussions about it.
I was just frustrated and needed help as I have given to others here that need it but you are right obviously I got "YOUR" attention but I didn't need your negative reply, it's just a waste of your time and mine.

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by hldan:
I was just frustrated and needed help as I have given to others here that need it but you are right obviously I got "YOUR" attention but I didn't need your negative reply, it's just a waste of your time and mine.

Nobody is obliged to give you help, and if this is your attitude I'm amazed that anybody has done. Especially considering your question was a bit along the lines of "oh, my powerbook sometimes doesn't work, what is causing this?", to which there is no easy answer. There are probably lots of causes. I also don't think that everybody here owns a PB17", or has a wide range of experience with hardware problems that afflict them. There are a few qualified Apple service technicians that read the boards, and they sometimes provide in-depth and useful advice, but on the other hand they have no duty to give you the benefit of their experience FOR FREE other than out of goodwill, and I by getting all upset you're not going to be helping your situation.

[acadian]

First question, do you have third party RAM installed? I suffered the same problem with my Rev. B 17" until I swapped out the generic third party RAM with a higher quality stick from Kensington. In addition to the sleep issue I was experiencing random freezes, kernel panics, and delayed sstartups. Nothing but installing high quality RAM solved the problems. I should also note that these issues did not appear until I upgraded to Panther so it seems that panther is alot more stingy with RAM than Jag was. Apple rep told me it was due to the fact that generic RAM is not non-parity.

[hldan]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
Nobody is obliged to give you help, and if this is your attitude I'm amazed that anybody has done. Especially considering your question was a bit along the lines of "oh, my powerbook sometimes doesn't work, what is causing this?", to which there is no easy answer. There are probably lots of causes. I also don't think that everybody here owns a PB17", or has a wide range of experience with hardware problems that afflict them. There are a few qualified Apple service technicians that read the boards, and they sometimes provide in-depth and useful advice, but on the other hand they have no duty to give you the benefit of their experience FOR FREE other than out of goodwill, and I by getting all upset you're not going to be helping your situation.

Hopefully Tookie will lock this thread because some of the replies are not necessary. A couple of people have offered their help and it has helped. I don't feel that anyone is obligated to help "me".
My issue with this whole thing is that I see threads from people for example such as:

(1) I want someone to convince me to buy 12" over the 14" iBook!
(2) My palmrest are sweaty and the aluminum is wearing out! Why?

(3) My new mac gives me slower performance than my 3 year old mac why?
(4) The lid on my Powerbook has an uneven gap, why?
(5) The Xbench numbers are better on my older cheaper mac vs. my new $3000.00 model, why?
(6) Apple takes too long to ship products from Applecare and I need it for work, they lie and say it will be a 2 day shipment but it's not true, what should I do?
(7) Please post your battery results after the Panther update.
(8) I hate the brushed metal look, I want aqua back.
(9) What will Apple offer at future Macworlds?

(10) I have a stuck pixel and I am mad that Apple will not replace my Mac!

Some of those questions are just unecessary and are beyond an answer but people post them anyway.
There are also several highly technical questions that I cannot imagine anyone knowing the answers to but people post them hoping that someone would be kind enough to offer help.
I have only been a member of Macnn for a very short time but I have owned macs for years and I take time to offer as much help to people in this forum as I possibly can without rude comments regardless of their questions rather they are demanding or not.
Again I already addressed that I didn't mean to be rude but some people have not read my earlier replies so please donot respond if you can't be objective and helpful.

[CaseCom]

Originally posted by hldan:
My issue with this whole thing is that I see threads from people for example such as:

(1) I want someone to convince me to buy 12" over the 14" iBook!
(2) My palmrest are sweaty and the aluminum is wearing out! Why?

(3) My new mac gives me slower performance than my 3 year old mac why?
(4) The lid on my Powerbook has an uneven gap, why?
(5) The Xbench numbers are better on my older cheaper mac vs. my new $3000.00 model, why?
(6) Apple takes too long to ship products from Applecare and I need it for work, they lie and say it will be a 2 day shipment but it's not true, what should I do?
(7) Please post your battery results after the Panther update.
(8) I hate the brushed metal look, I want aqua back.
(9) What will Apple offer at future Macworlds?

(10) I have a stuck pixel and I am mad that Apple will not replace my Mac!

This is an open discussion forum. People can discuss what they want and reply to what they want, within the rules set by MacNN. If you think it's "ridiculous B.S." then don't click on the thread.

I'm sorry you were frustrated that you didn't get a response about your problem. Either politely ask again for a reply, or look elsewhere for answers.

You can't control everyone else's behavior. But you can control your own.

In that vein, if you want this thread to go away, just stop posting to it.

[euchomai]

Originally posted by hldan:
I've only posted 3 times asking for help to resolve a situation as to why my 17" Powerbook will not wake up from sleep randomly after opening the lid. I noticed that several people read my post but ignore it. I wondered if anyone experienced the same thing and had a solution but I noticed that unless it's B.S. that gets posted people will ignore it.
Several people post ridiculous B.S. and get several responses and I even offer to help them out but I never get helped in this forum. Are you all looking for stupid postings to respond to or are you all here to really help the Mac community?

I think you should un-switch... Sorry your computer won't work right and you don't want to talk to the people that made it. Oh, well... Happy holiday!


ps. I apologize in advance for my rude answer, maybe if you didn't ask with that "tone of voice" you'd have a lot more nice, friendly answers.

[tooki]

Originally posted by skyman:
It's not the best idea to title your post as "Some of you guys here suck!".

Totally. Insulting our members doesn't help your cause.

Originally posted by skyman:

A better subject would have been "Calling all Mac techs.. I need help, please!"

Please do NOT title threads like that! Thread titles should provide a super-brief summary of the question. Dumb titles like "I need help!" are useless, since you have to click it to see what it's about, rather than just being able to skim the thread listing and see which ones you're interested in. (Useless titles like "Help!" reduce the number of people who click, and of course, most of the people who do click stand low chance of being able to help.)

tooki

[DekuDekuplex]

Originally posted by hldan:
I've only posted 3 times asking for help to resolve a situation as to why my 17" Powerbook will not wake up from sleep randomly after opening the lid. I noticed that several people read my post but ignore it.

[comments deleted]

FYI, I have just read your posting, but have not experienced this situation yet, and aside from the information in Macola's posting about using Open Firmware, do not know of any quick solution.

I currently use Mac OS X Jaguar 10.2.6. I'd like to upgrade to Panther, but since my main purpose for my 17-inch [Rev. A] PowerBook is to study Oracle9i Database Developer's Release for Apple Mac OS X Version 10.2 (Jaguar), which has not yet been updated for Panther, for the time being, I'm stuck with Jaguar unless I purchase either Virtual PC 6.1 - With Windows 2000 or Virtual PC 6.1 - With Windows XP Professional.

I.e., unless you still use Jaguar, since I can't duplicate your setup within reasonable effort, there's not much I can do to help.

I wouldn't normally reply in this situation, but I just wanted to ensure that you did not feel "ignored."

Usually, when I "ignore" somebody, it's either because I have no useful information to suggest, or haven't found time to reply yet. I don't normally "ignore" people out of spite when I know an answer to an important question--I reply ASAP.

--DekuDekuplex

[yticolev]

Have you tried putting your PowerBook to sleep and then waking again? My Al15" does what your 17" does once in a while and this fixes it. Never had to reboot.

[brachiator]

Originally posted by hldan:
Hopefully Tookie will lock this thread because some of the replies are not necessary. A couple of people have offered their help and it has helped... so please donot respond if you can't be objective and helpful.

I'm sorry to hear that you are frustrated, and even more sorry to hear that you are having the problems you are having on your Mac.

Nevertheless, if what you are seeking here is "objective" and "helpful" commentary about your computer problems, I think you should change the title of this thread. The topic of this thread is NOT currently "Please help me with problem X" -- it is "you guys here suck." I don't have any knowledge or help to offer regarding the technical problems you are having -- I didn't enter this thread in response to those problems, but rather to discover who sucked, why they sucked, and whether I was among those who sucked.

Considering that the title of this thread is about how MacNN members suck, it's really unbecoming of you to complain that some people's responses are not "objective" or "helpful" -- could anything be more subjective or calculated to ruffle people's feathers than pronouncements that people suck?

You appear to be one of the most aggressively petulant posters I've seen on these boards in a long time -- although, as RM Nixon once said, I mean that in the nicest sense of the words. I'm surprised to see that people have responded in all good faith and charity to you -- pleasantly surprised... perhaps a vindication of Christmas spirit?

FWIW, it is not at all uncommon for requests for help to go unanswered (especially at this time of year). I've had numerous posts sink silently off of the board into oblivion, but never presumed that it was because people were withholding helpful information -- even from this cranky s.o.b. The alternative to silence when no one has an answer, is a thread full of "sorry, I don't know" replies. Maybe that is preferable, but it does not seem to be the protocol here, nor does it seem reasonable -- is everyone dutybound to first view a post and then post back that they don't know anything about it?

Good luck on getting back up in top form, though!

[hldan]

I promised myself that I would not respond anymore but due to the mixed reviews, some good and many not so good I wanted to send an apology to anyone that was offended by the topic of my posting.
Aside from this post by now a few people should be aware of my username as I have helped them with several of their computer needs so my expectations grew pretty large when I needed help as I have posted more than one type of problem and end up with zero responses.
This is the first time I abruptly posted a topic so aggressively.
One thing that I would like to mention is that I never pointed out anyone's username or used the word "ALL". I mentioned that "Some" people suck so that doesn't appy to everyone but it seems that many more took it to heart.
I will continue to offer help to all who needs it in the future as I have solved issues for people here whether they want my help or not.
My topic unfortunately produced negative feelings for some of the Macnn forum but the horrible replies weren't any better especially since they were directed right at me whereas my post didn't pinpoint certain people in general.
I am not nearly as agressive, as I have noticed other posters get into cyber fights and use bad language and I didn't take it that direction so again I hope that people understand. I will not respond anymore so I will not upset anyone else.
Have a good holiday.

[urrl78]

I never answered the thread because at the time I had no clue to the solution. But thanks to all the interesting remarks here a thought has come to my mind. There were times when my Ti gave weird sleep behavior, like when I would absentmindedly close the Ti lid when it was already sleep; problems would occur. Another possible thing I look out for is after putting the 17" to sleep do I move the mouse? This might also confuse the software, although the BT mouse I have will not wake the 17". So, just some thoughts to be careful about. Hope this helps.

[Podolsky]

Originally posted by hldan:
But I didn't need your negative reply, it's just a waste of your time and mine.

My reply wasn't negative - it was helpful Did you even try to search the boards for a discussion/solution to your problem? Using the Search UI here at MacNN I was able to get a half dozen hits that relate directly to the problem you are having. If you had done that from the outset you could have spared us all from what has turned out to be a rather disturbing thread.

[siflippant]

This guy sounds like a peecee user who recently switched...

[CatOne]

Originally posted by hldan:
I've only posted 3 times asking for help to resolve a situation as to why my 17" Powerbook will not wake up from sleep randomly after opening the lid. I noticed that several people read my post but ignore it. I wondered if anyone experienced the same thing and had a solution but I noticed that unless it's B.S. that gets posted people will ignore it.
Several people post ridiculous B.S. and get several responses and I even offer to help them out but I never get helped in this forum. Are you all looking for stupid postings to respond to or are you all here to really help the Mac community?

How 'bout a nice warm cup of shut the f**k up?

People help, when they can, if they know the answer. If they don't know it, maybe they won't answer.

Nobody here OWES you anything. It's not a paid support line. Hey, how about buying Applecare for your 17" and asking Apple for help?

Naw, you're probably a cheap bastard. Too bad for you.

Jerk.

[skyman]

Originally posted by CatOne:
How 'bout a nice warm cup of shut the f**k up?

People help, when they can, if they know the answer. If they don't know it, maybe they won't answer.

Nobody here OWES you anything. It's not a paid support line. Hey, how about buying Applecare for your 17" and asking Apple for help?

Naw, you're probably a cheap bastard. Too bad for you.

Jerk.

Talk about throwing fuel on a fire!

[brachiator]

Originally posted by CatOne:
How 'bout a nice warm cup of shut the f**k up?

I think you really gave him a hot mug of hit him with the baton after he's cuffed, instead. The guy seemed appropriately chastened and apologized, albeit a little weakly. No need to bark at him anymore, I don't think.

[CatOne]

Originally posted by brachiator:
I think you really gave him a hot mug of hit him with the baton after he's cuffed, instead. The guy seemed appropriately chastened and apologized, albeit a little weakly. No need to bark at him anymore, I don't think.

Aww c'mon. Always the most fun to kick someone when he's already in the fetal position

But I had only read 4 or 5 posts before I replied, not all 30.

Heh.

[WOPR]

I can't believe some people. This forum offers free advice from knowledgeable people, and has helped me several times. I've also helped others, and to get somebody like this come along and whine because they're not getting any help is unreal.

[HotSoup]

You are a little late, WOPER