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Usage for my new PB, questions about dev. tools
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Mar 6, 2004, 08:22 AM
 
I have decided to give PB a chance and ordered yesterday a new PB 15''. Because I am a Linux & Windows user (Believe me, I am looking forward to "nevner" again use XP ) I wonder if you recommend any developertools (Mac OS) for:

Programming C, C++, Java, VHDL
(For java I use Intellij, which indeed is very good, but you migh have som "local" good stuff for macs)

I have heard that you can run Xfree86 server on the Darwin kernel and use OpenOffice. Is this true? (Or maybe panther as well can run this?)

I migh get in situations I have to use Vitual PC. I saw in another thread that this requires minimum 1 GB ram (I orderer 2..) Are there any old PC users here which have any feedback on how much (in average) you really need to use VPC? (For different kind of usage)

The final question. I am a Debian fan, but do you have any feedback on which Linux destribution function better for the PBs? (And if any of you have any expirience with PB and Free BSD please tell me how this works )



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Mar 6, 2004, 10:19 AM
 
Originally posted by runejoha:
I have heard that you can run Xfree86 server on the Darwin kernel and use OpenOffice. Is this true? (Or maybe panther as well can run this?)
Yes. Actually Panther ships with an X11 server (located in /Applications/Utilities). This is basically XFree86 optmized for Mac OS X, which allows you to run X11 apps side by side with native OS X apps. OpenOffice does run under OS X, but I personnaly still think there is no replacement for MS Office yet. You may want to buy the native OS X MS Office version.


The final question. I am a Debian fan, but do you have any feedback on which Linux destribution function better for the PBs? (And if any of you have any expirience with PB and Free BSD please tell me how this works )
There is really no point installing linux on a Mac running OS X. If you are a Debian fan, just install
Fink, which offers you hundreds of packages using Debian package tools (apt-get, dselect...). You will definitely feel home

Programming C, C++, Java, VHDL
(For java I use Intellij, which indeed is very good, but you migh have som "local" good stuff for macs)
Panther includes very powerful development tools (Xcode/Interface Builder). They support C, C++, Objective C (gcc 3.3) and Java. Java 1.4.2 is also installed by default with OS X.

Enjoy your PowerBook
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Mar 6, 2004, 12:55 PM
 
Thanks for answer! What about LATEX tools, like lyxs??

Yes, I am sure that the new PB kicks ase!




Originally posted by pat++:
Yes. Actually Panther ships with an X11 server (located in /Applications/Utilities). This is basically XFree86 optmized for Mac OS X, which allows you to run X11 apps side by side with native OS X apps. OpenOffice does run under OS X, but I personnaly still think there is no replacement for MS Office yet. You may want to buy the native OS X MS Office version.



There is really no point installing linux on a Mac running OS X. If you are a Debian fan, just install
Fink, which offers you hundreds of packages using Debian package tools (apt-get, dselect...). You will definitely feel home



Panther includes very powerful development tools (Xcode/Interface Builder). They support C, C++, Objective C (gcc 3.3) and Java. Java 1.4.2 is also installed by default with OS X.

Enjoy your PowerBook
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Mar 6, 2004, 01:28 PM
 
Originally posted by runejoha:
Thanks for answer! What about LATEX tools, like lyxs??

Yes, I am sure that the new PB kicks ase!




There are LaTex utilities available for Mac OS X. And, while 10.3 has the ability to compile and run many Linux programs (with some modification, of course), there are also PPC Linux distributions out there, too.

I don't know of any that run on the Aluminum PowerBooks yet, but there might be some. There is a Debian distribution for PPC, and also Mandrake Linux has a PPC distribution. Yellow Dog Linux is supposed to be a good one too.

If you're going to get Virtual PC, you should have at least 1 GB of RAM. Of course, more is always better.

Xcode is a top notch development environment on 10.3... I think you'll like it.
     
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Mar 6, 2004, 01:28 PM
 
Originally posted by runejoha:
Thanks for answer! What about LATEX tools, like lyxs??
Not sure what lyxs is... but lyx and lyx-qt are available with fink...
     
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Mar 6, 2004, 01:39 PM
 
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The final question. I am a Debian fan, but do you have any feedback on which Linux destribution function better for the PBs? (And if any of you have any expirience with PB and Free BSD please tell me how this works )
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I donīt know if it is helpful for you, but in the last issue of a very famous computer magazine (cīt Computer Technik) here in Germany there was an article about running Debian on an iBook, so i would conclude it is also doable on a Powerbook. If youīre somewhat skilled in german language you could do a search on their site here

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Mar 6, 2004, 02:30 PM
 
LyX/Mac is available:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22529

I think you have to first install Fink, and then use Fink to grab ImageMagick, tetex, and ghostscript:

fink install imagemagick tetex ghostscript

Guide at:

http://www.18james.com/lyx_on_aqua.html

Works perfectly for me: Preview PDFs, full anti-aliased text, proper Mac menu bar, printing works, etc.

Combine with BibDesk for bibliographic management, and all is well.
     
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Mar 7, 2004, 04:05 AM
 
Originally posted by runejoha:
Thanks for answer! What about LATEX tools, like lyxs??
Although you already have an answer on this one, I would like to add that you can install the standard teTeX distribution using Fink, and some cool and powerful unix editors (xemacs, nedit) to do your LaTeX work under X11. Very simple with Fink.

Otherwise, once teTeX is installed, you can use the MacOS X native TeXShop. TeXShop is very nice .
     
   
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