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12" 867mhz users - tried 10.3.3 yet?
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Well it's out and I wondered does it sort out the fan issue from 10.3.2? I've stayed with 3.1 but I guess if the fan's going to be on all the time from now on I may as well go up to 10.3.3 once I know it's safe.
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My download died so I don't know yet. 
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Well, I just downloaded it, rebooted and I really can't tell much difference between 10.3.2 and 10.3.3 yet. My fan has never run much on my 12" Powerbook 867mhz, so I'm not sure if it will help you or not. I'll post back after a day or two.
Jim
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This doesn't directly answer your question, but the fan on my 12" 867 isn't on all the time, it only comes on when it gets really hot (which happens pretty quickly).
Since this issue seems to be fairly dependent on your particular Mac, I'm not sure if Apple would want to make a blanket fix for it with 10.3.3...that is, if it fixes the fan issue on YOUR Powerbook, will the update screw up the fan on mine?!?
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After installing 10.3.3 my speakers are making a popping sound. This is something they fixed sometime back but now IT'S BACK. My opinion to anyone who has had this problem in the past and it annoyed them do not install 10.3.3 until they fix it.
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I'm also experiencing the popping noise. It never had been a problem for me before, just a few occasional pops while using Word. But the pops are happening so frequently now that I'm sure it's annoying the people sitting around me in the library
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The world needs more Canada.
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The fan temperature levels haven't been increased from 10.3.2, so they're still on a lot more than 10.3.1. But SilentNight which you can find on Version Tracker still fixes it... if you want to use it.
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I've gone from 10.3.1 to .3 and the fan is on more. To be honest I don't use it for much more than surfing and emailing which doesn't get it very hot so not much of an issue.
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Look people, don't just say stuff like oh it think the fans come on at a different temperture now.
Run a program like Tempreture monitor . The fan for me actually comes on at 50C (Lets use Celcius or SI units please  ) and thats the same with 10.3.2.
However it did take it longer to get up to 50C last night... I'll have to do some more testing just to be sure.
The fans with 10.3.1 only came on at 60C.
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Seems to be running a bit hotter than with 10.3.2.
Which is not cool, because the case has already been heat-warped.
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Are you sure your case was warped by heat killer_735? I've bent mine out of shape a couple of times. You can bend them back really easily, just be careful...
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Originally posted by killer_735:
Seems to be running a bit hotter
I give up. Look if you don't find the average old tempreture and the average new one... gah i give up.
 
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Originally posted by WOPR:
Well it's out and I wondered does it sort out the fan issue from 10.3.2? I've stayed with 3.1 but I guess if the fan's going to be on all the time from now on I may as well go up to 10.3.3 once I know it's safe.
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From MacFixit:
"PowerBook (and Power Mac) fans In addition to previously reported issues with excessive fan noise after applying the Mac OS X 10.3.3 update, it appears that the "Silent Night" package - which worked to reduce fan activity introduced in the Mac OS X 10.3.2 - is now (perhaps intentionally) non-functional.
Apparently, the Mac OS X 10.3.3 writes over, and disables, the 'Silent Night' fan fix for 10.3.2 fan "feature."
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Personally, I'm sticking with 10.3.1 for my Rev A 12". Stable. No problems. No excessive fan noise. And no compelling reason to move to .2 or .3. At this rate my next upgrade will be 10.4.
(Last edited by Kenstee; Mar 19, 2004 at 12:06 PM.
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On my Rev. A 12" under 10.3.3, the fan seems to be kicking in at precisely the same points that it did starting with 10.3.2, namely, 124 F. It shuts off again when the system reaches 112 F (sorry for not having the figures in celsius). Anecdotally it seems that the system cools down faster, and I actually seem to have the fan on *less*, though this could easily be because we're in another cold spell up here and my building's heat has yet to come on again.
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Originally posted by Jawbreaker:
On my Rev. A 12" under 10.3.3, the fan seems to be kicking in at precisely the same points that it did starting with 10.3.2, namely, 124 F. It shuts off again when the system reaches 112 F (sorry for not having the figures in celsius).
A question for you: what is the maximum temperature you have ever reached under 10.3.3? If you don't know, you can find it if you run the system at 100% CPU (for example play some demanding game) for, say, half an hour. My 12" 867 MHz under 10.2.8 activates the fan at 63C/145F, the temperature falls quickly at 60C/140F and it remains there regardless the time in which the CPU is under 100% load.
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The highest I've ever seen the temperature get under 10.3.3 is 138 F; the fan seems to keep it from getting any higher. That's a marked improvement over conditions before 10.3.2, at least as regards the heat situation. I'm not thrilled about the extra noise, but if it's good for the lifespan and durability of the PowerBook, I guess I can get past it.
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Originally posted by Jawbreaker:
The highest I've ever seen the temperature get under 10.3.3 is 138 F; the fan seems to keep it from getting any higher.
I see. So, the temperature can rise about as previously (10.2.8) if the CPU is heavily taxed for some time, but for more occasional use, the average temperature is lower because of the more frequent fan activation.
...but if it's good for the lifespan and durability of the PowerBook, I guess I can get past it.
That's why I am seriously considering to go Panther  .
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Originally posted by Pierre B.:
I see. So, the temperature can rise about as previously (10.2.8) if the CPU is heavily taxed for some time, but for more occasional use, the average temperature is lower because of the more frequent fan activation.
That's why I am seriously considering to go Panther .
Actually, 10.3 and 10.3.1 are fine with similar fan performance to 10.2+. It's with 10.3.2 or higher that the fan really kicks in at lower temps.
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Ok I played around with this all yesterday.
The fan turns on at 50C however it only turns off at 47C.
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I'm very happy with my upgrade to 10.3.3 on my PB.
All has been stable, no problems at all.
Boot time has been improved a lot.
Never had a problem with fans with any OS version, I agree that they came on earlier with 10.3.2 but I'm sure it was for a reason.
Ian
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