[asmujica]

Have any of you been considering switching back to a PC because of what longhorn is aiming for? I've been following its development and I've found it quite interesting to say the least. And with the Powerbooks lagging if Longhorn, after trying it out and liking it, I see no reason to stick with apple.

Please, reasoned responses only. Lets try to have an adult conversation and not turn this into a flame war.

[osxisfun]

flame war.

sorry but your post seems like a troll. but to answer your question.....

I will get back to you when longhorn ships.

[chabig]

Lets try to have an adult conversation

Are you serious? You are trying to compare a real, shipping product with a dream. Longhorn, is years away from becoming a real product, and may in fact never ship. Your Powerbook and Tiger are here today.

You can switch to a PC, but you can't switch to Longhorn!

[asmujica]

I will not buy the powerbook as is, I've been waiting for a worthwhile update for a while.

Longhorn ships next summer and I doubt apple will get their act together by then. I am all for an updated powerbook next WWDC.

The first Longhorn beta is out, played with it for a bit on a friends pc and was quite impressed.

[chabig]

Originally Posted by asmujica

Longhorn ships next summer

Longhorn will NOT ship next summer. Microsoft is targeting Longhorn for fall 2006 so it can be on PCs for the Christmas season. And since Microsoft never ships on schedule you'll be lucky to get your hands on a retail version of Longhorn until summer 2007.

[osxisfun]

Originally Posted by asmujica

I will not buy the powerbook as is, I've been waiting for a worthwhile update for a while.

Longhorn ships next summer and I doubt apple will get their act together by then. I am all for an updated powerbook next WWDC.

The first Longhorn beta is out, played with it for a bit on a friends pc and was quite impressed.

why does it seem that the people that complain the most about speed and specs need it the least?

[polendo]

I do not understand what does the PB has anything to do with LH.

[nickw311]

Longhorn is slated to be released in December of 2006 if everything goes as planned... As far as not buying the Powerbook as it is, that isn't a bad idea when you can usually wait a little while till an update and get a better one for the same price.

[chabig]

Originally Posted by asmujica

The first Longhorn beta is out, played with it for a bit on a friends pc and was quite impressed.

Longhorn has not yet gone into beta. From CNET:

"Many of the features that Gates showed, however, are not reflected in the updated "developer preview" version that was given to attendees at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference here. A fraction of the new features will make it into an initial beta version this summer, but many may not show up until a subsequent beta. Microsoft wouldn't say when that beta version will arrive, but Gates said the company is still focused on trying to release the final version of Longhorn in time to make it on PCs sold for the holiday season in 2006."

[alphasubzero949]

Originally Posted by asmujica

Have any of you been considering switching back to a PC because of what longhorn is aiming for? I've been following its development and I've found it quite interesting to say the least. And with the Powerbooks lagging if Longhorn, after trying it out and liking it, I see no reason to stick with apple.

[osxisfun]

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

[workerbee]

The Longhorn delivery timeline has been adjusted yet again: Beta 1 will ship this summer, followed by a second developer preview in September at the PDC. Beta 2 will ship after that, at which time Longhorn builds will be offered to the public. Longhorn is now due in time for Holiday 2006, and not for mid-2006 as previously planned.

from http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowsp...ott_46166.html.

BTW: Looks like Windows users will also have glassy buttons and brushed metal (well, sort of anyway) then: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/...gallery_01.asp ::insert "Oooohhh" sound from Toy Story martians here::

[asmujica]

http://www.winbeta.org/index.php

Cnet has a great track record by the way. The file is on some torrent sites already.

[asodamiac]

Originally Posted by polendo

I do not understand what does the PB has anything to do with LH.

seriously. isnt this in the wrong thread? hes trying to compare a laptop to an OS. doesnt make sense.. if it was more along the lines of Tiger vs LH, that would make a little bit more sense. ive been using pc's all my life and just recently picked up a powerbook. osx blows windows out of the water. of course, i have never tried longhorn, so guess my opinion isnt really valid.

oh yea, that baby freaked me out while i was scrolling down.

[discotronic]

Originally Posted by asodamiac

oh yea, that baby freaked me out while i was scrolling down.

Gotta love the troll pic

[asmujica]

I really like OSX and it is my current fulltime operating system, but its the only reason I use a MAC. Therefore comparing a Powerbook against Longhorn is a comparison based on the operating system the Powerbook runs.

I have an ibook and a dual 2.0 so its not as if I hate macs, and no PCS.

[xi_hyperon]

As you've yet to explain what features you like in Longhorn, and what you mean by Apple "getting its act together," pardon me if I suspect a bit of trolling.

[Agent69]

asmujica,

You do realize that a Powerbook is a computer and Lornhorn is an operating system, right? That's kind of like comparing a bookshelf to a book.

[Maflynn]

Originally Posted by asmujica

Have any of you been considering switching back to a PC because of what longhorn is aiming for?
...with the Powerbooks lagging
...I see no reason to stick with apple.

Please, reasoned responses only. Lets try to have an adult conversation and not turn this into a flame war.

In order to avoid a flame war you probably should have worded your thread better. First as others mentioned your comparing an operating system, i.e, software with a laptop, i.e., hardware. Then you fail to mention what issues are bothering you with either the powerbook or (I assume) OSX.

Here's my $.02, and it echos a lot of people's sentiment here.
First an foremost MS has a long and distinguished history of missing deadlines, Longhorn itself has continally slipped beyond what they said was the release date. They threw out major features such as their new file system because of deadlines.

Now after saying that I believe that once they do get it out the door, it will be a nice OS. Such a major rerwite people may be better suited to wait until a fix pack is released but feature wise there may be some nice things (I don't know any specifics. While I have not followed as the cow turns soap opera, what features does Longhorn have, how do they mesh with what OSX provides and what features does Longhorn have that OSX doesn't, are they jaw dropper type stuff?


Mike

[workerbee]

Originally Posted by Maflynn

what features does Longhorn have that OSX doesn't, are they jaw dropper type stuff?

Not really

[mitchell_pgh]

I'm buying a Mac today so I can get ready for 10.5. I hear it's going to be great.

[asmujica]

The only reason I go with mac hardware is to get the mac software. So, comparing an operating system to a laptop leads me to reach the conclusion that if software wins there is no reason to get a powerbook. There are some pretty interesting Peecee laptops out there that could use a stable operating system.

If Longhorn ends up to be a stable OS why would anyone go mac, specially with the laptops?

[tictactoe]

Originally Posted by asmujica

The only reason I go with mac hardware is to get the mac software. So, comparing an operating system to a laptop leads me to reach the conclusion that if software wins there is no reason to get a powerbook. There are some pretty interesting Peecee laptops out there that could use a stable operating system.

If Longhorn ends up to be a stable OS why would anyone go mac, specially with the laptops?

Design, functionality, and "unity" between hardware and software.

I was a PC user for a long time starting with a Compaq laptop, then a Toshiba laptop, then a desktop I built myself, then a Dell desktop, a Dell 5150 laptop, another Dell desktop, a Dell 700m laptop, then a Dell desktop and now a Powerbook.

I feel that my Powerbook has greater utility to me than any PC I have ever owned. The design is beautiful, it has great functionality (I never have problems, never have to go through that Windows Update nonsense, never have to install anti-virus or update defintions and never have to check for adware) and everything just works flawlessly. To me, that in and of itself is priceless.

If I were you, I'd argue "If Longhorn ends up to be as stable an OS, why would anyone go mac, especially the desktops?" There is no PC notebook out there that can hold a candle in the overall sense to any Apple laptop. The 12/14" iBooks are light, sturdy and boast incredible battery life (my friend with a 12" iBook gets 5:30-6hours on his). Expose makes it a dream to work on any 12" Apple laptop as well. The 15" PB I have right now gets about 4 hours of battery life, which is 1.5 hours more than the Dell 5150 I had and only 45 minutes less than the 700m I had (12.1" screen with the extended 65whr battery). The 17" PB is very thin and portable compared to it's PC rivals and boasts better battery life.

Of course, you make the big assumption that Longhorn will be just as good, if not better, than Tiger. Let's be honest, it may be better than Tiger when it's released, but it doesn't matter because Apple will have already released a newer, better OS by then. Microsoft will be a step behind for a long time.

[xi_hyperon]

Originally Posted by asmujica

The only reason I go with mac hardware is to get the mac software. So, comparing an operating system to a laptop leads me to reach the conclusion that if software wins there is no reason to get a powerbook. There are some pretty interesting Peecee laptops out there that could use a stable operating system.

Maybe my brain is fried after a long day, but that made no sense to me at all.

[asodamiac]

well macs always look sexy. so if longhorn was "just as good" as osx, i would go with the mac. i think one of the biggest reasons people dont get macs is that they are afraid to use a new "system" and they probably cant afford it. i sold a lot of things to pay for my powerbook and while im happy that i have it, i wish i could have kept some of the things i sold. tough.

so what exactly will be new about longhorn? is it just a revised windows os? or is it a built from scratch, brand spanking new os?

[asmujica]

I am looking at the voodoopc latops and the carbon fiber one looks really nice. Why can't they make one like that for apple?

[asodamiac]

i like the look of the powerbook. apple designs their laptops the way they want, and most people like it. if you dont, then why not just get the voodoopc laptop and wait for longhorn?

i think the powerbook looks downright sexy, and have yet to meet another laptop that looks just as good (www.go-l.com has some pretty good laptops, but im loving osx too).

[driven]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

flame war.

sorry but your post seems like a troll. but to answer your question.....

I will get back to you when longhorn ships.

You might be waiting for a while ..... <GRIN>

[driven]

Originally Posted by asmujica

I will not buy the powerbook as is, I've been waiting for a worthwhile update for a while.

Longhorn ships next summer and I doubt apple will get their act together by then. I am all for an updated powerbook next WWDC.

The first Longhorn beta is out, played with it for a bit on a friends pc and was quite impressed.

You've been waiting for a worthwhile update to the Powerbook and you are annoyed at Apple?

The Powerbook G4 was introduced in 2001, that's the same year as Windows XP. The Powerbook has been updated 6 or 7 times since 2001. How many times has XP been updated? (Not counting weekly security patches)? TWICE! (SP1 & SP2).

Longhorn won't be available until 2007 ... how many more Powerbook updates (and OSX updates) will ship before 2007? Please ...

[osxisfun]

stick a fork in this thread....

its done.

[driven]

Originally Posted by asodamiac

i like the look of the powerbook. apple designs their laptops the way they want, and most people like it. if you dont, then why not just get the voodoopc laptop and wait for longhorn?

i think the powerbook looks downright sexy, and have yet to meet another laptop that looks just as good (www.go-l.com has some pretty good laptops, but im loving osx too).

It looks like go-l.com is go-ne ....
(Check out the web-page)

[TailsToo]

Originally Posted by asmujica

I am looking at the voodoopc latops and the carbon fiber one looks really nice. Why can't they make one like that for apple?

I'm still not sure what the point of this thread is. Why does Longhorn (more than a year off, and any stability claims cannot be proven for a long time) have any influence on a Mac purchase of today?

I wouldn't make buying decisions based off of what Microsoft "wants" Longhorn to be. I'm sure they didn't want XP to be the piece of spyware-ridden filth it has become. When it first came out, it was much better than anything that had been out before. It wouldn't surprise me if Longhorn winds up following the same path.

[itguy05]

Originally Posted by asodamiac

i think the powerbook looks downright sexy, and have yet to meet another laptop that looks just as good (www.go-l.com has some pretty good laptops, but im loving osx too).

You mean go-SCAM.com? h