[toffe]

Will there be an iBook update still during the WWDC, or will one come the week after, or after a month, or in the end of the summer, or in the autumn, or, there will not be update before intel-iBook release

[toffe]

i can go buy an iBook today if it takes more than a month (or 2 weeks) before an update...

[Eug Wanker]

I would expect one soon, but soon might be next week, or it might be at the end of summer or whatever.

And it will be a G4 (which is fine for an iBook).

[gcvt]

No one knows...except Apple. It's the million dollar question.

[toffe]

Ok. Thanks.

You know what. I just ordered my first mac ever....
15 minutes ago i went to officeline here in helsinki,
and ordered a student discount iBook 12"

with these specs:
12" iBook ...
60 Gb hard drive
1 giga extra memory (kingston) (= 1,25Gb)
bluetooth

all this for 1283 euro.

Since i ordered an iBook today, i would not be surprised if there came an new version tomorrow.
But i don't care anymore. Im going to show my new iBook all the love anyway

i feel good.

[storer]

Awesome! Good on ya dude!

[solero]

congrats

[Ji Eun]

i'm pretty close myself. have a buyer for my G4 800... putting the money into a new machine... soon as i get the bread. congratulations.

[storer]

I'm thinking maybe they might do what they did with the transition from G3 to G4 iBooks. Well, I'm hoping. They can introduce a new form factor G4 iBook, because this one is ancient, and just change the processor to Intel when it's time. It wouldn't be any worse than what they did from G3 to G4... probably be on a shorter timeframe, for all we know, too!

[pat++]

Originally Posted by storer

I'm thinking maybe they might do what they did with the transition from G3 to G4 iBooks. Well, I'm hoping. They can introduce a new form factor G4 iBook, because this one is ancient, and just change the processor to Intel when it's time. It wouldn't be any worse than what they did from G3 to G4... probably be on a shorter timeframe, for all we know, too!

We'll see a new design for the iBook with the Intel iBook. I think if there is another iBook G4 before then, it will be the same design with a small speed bump...

[storer]

See, if the iBook is speedbumped then the PowerBook will have to be too, because they will be almost equal. Well, I hope something comes soon. I want to buy an iBook at the end of the year, and if there is no MacInteliBook or iBook redesign with a G4 then I will be left with limited options. I really don't want to have to buy a Wintop.

[Krusty]

I don't necessarily agree that the iBook and PB would have to be updated simultaneously. MANY times in apple's past, they've led in with an update to a "lesser" machine so it looks like a smokin' hot deal for a month or two. They did this with the iMac/Powermacs, iBook/PB (when the original icebook came out), and with the eMac in 2004 (it spec'd essentially the same as the existing iMac G4 and was actually a bit faster in the real world for a couple months 'til the iMac G5 came out).

Point being, it wouldn't totally shock me if the iBook was updated to low end PB speeds for a couple of months. I certainly hope they do something like this with the iBook soon ... for the first time in my life I'm seriously considering a laptop and I'd love to see a 12" 1.42/1.5 ibook with built-in AE, BT and a core graphics capable vid card before August (when the tax free weekend occurs in many states here in the US).

[teney7]

I would hope they put something new or cheap out around Aug 1 because every student in the world will be looking, waiting, watching, obsessing, etc..

[PacHead]

While certain procrastinators on here choose to procrastinate, I picked up a brand new 12" ibook yesterday !

Booyah to ya'll.

[mitchell_pgh]

I'm holding off until the new iBook comes out and I'll weather the PPC/x86 switch.

[toffe]

Congratulations PacHead

[storer]

Hrmn... still deliberating... I know that as soon as a new 'book comes out I will be crushed/

[Zoth]

Originally Posted by storer

Hrmn... still deliberating... I know that as soon as a new 'book comes out I will be crushed/

Yea, i'm in the same boat as you.. I've been waiting for about a month and a half now. I may just end up picking up a 12 inch powerbook this tuesday, tho I definitely like the ibooks better. I just can't deal with only having 32 MB VRAM on a brand new machine.

[Ji Eun]

Who the hell knows when they'll update, but whatever speed bumps come at this point will surely be minimal, and it's at least a year till the intel one, so i said ***** it and bit the bullet. I ordered myself a new 12" this morning.

[storer]

Awesome! Well done! I'll probably wait till a speedbump (or new model) and buy it immediately. I'm just hoping its a redesign before a speedbump.

[inprnt]

I'm waiting for a redesign as well but will need one in august.

[toffe]

Hi again, i'm still waiting for the delivery of my 12" iBook that i ordered last thursday. The delay is beacuse of the 60Gb drive+bluetooth...
After today i will not mind at all if new ones come out (Today was the absolute last day i wanted to wait, but i ended up buying it anyway)...
[of course i'm happy for you guys if one comes out today as well, i meant that i will not feel bummed or anything after this day when new ones come out]

[mitchell_pgh]

My rules of buying:

1) Get money in order,
2) Wait for an update,
3) Buy,
4) Don't look back.

I've been waiting for step two for 3 months.

The good thing is, I think this computer will tied me over for the PPC to x86 switch. So my next computer will be a x86 system.

[Wiskedjak]

I'll be surprised if we see anything much done to either the iBook or PowerBook lines before the x86 switch

[buffswin]

I think they can keep the exact same product specs across the line --- just drop the prices by a couple hundred dollars.

[Voch]

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

The good thing is, I think this computer will tied me over for the PPC to x86 switch. So my next computer will be a x86 system.

I'm in the same boat. My AppleCare on the TiBook runs out in February, about the time the x86 machines may start appearing (or, at least, rumors thereof start showing up about actual hardware). I can't believe I've used my TiBook for 2 1/2 years...

I'm 50/50 right now between "wait for the x86's to come out" vs. "buy a PPC now and don't get a Rev. A x86 machine." But then I suppose the rest of the folks facing a Mac upgrade are on that fence too...

If the iBook is a nice-enough upgrade I'm going for it and pass on the first x86 machines. C'mon Apple!

Voch

[biposto]

Originally Posted by Voch

I'm in the same boat. My AppleCare on the TiBook runs out in February, about the time the x86 machines may start appearing (or, at least, rumors thereof start showing up about actual hardware). I can't believe I've used my TiBook for 2 1/2 years...

I'm 50/50 right now between "wait for the x86's to come out" vs. "buy a PPC now and don't get a Rev. A x86 machine." But then I suppose the rest of the folks facing a Mac upgrade are on that fence too...

If the iBook is a nice-enough upgrade I'm going for it and pass on the first x86 machines. C'mon Apple!

Voch

Dude, the 1st x86 revisions are gonna be messy, a new hardware platform and a 'new' os x for x86, really, mark my words.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by biposto

Dude, the 1st x86 revisions are gonna be messy, a new hardware platform and a 'new' os x for x86, really, mark my words.

meh, just stick it onto already existing x86 hardware

[biposto]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

meh, just stick it onto already existing x86 hardware

wow, that would be really the end for Apple as being an innovative computer hardware manufacturer if they put a regular asus/aopen/abit board into a powermac.
Surely they will develope something nice themselves for the intel cpu

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by Voch

I'm in the same boat. My AppleCare on the TiBook runs out in February, about the time the x86 machines may start appearing (or, at least, rumors thereof start showing up about actual hardware). I can't believe I've used my TiBook for 2 1/2 years...

I'm 50/50 right now between "wait for the x86's to come out" vs. "buy a PPC now and don't get a Rev. A x86 machine." But then I suppose the rest of the folks facing a Mac upgrade are on that fence too...

If the iBook is a nice-enough upgrade I'm going for it and pass on the first x86 machines. C'mon Apple!

Voch

I don't think I want to be involved with the first round of x86 machines. 1/2 because of the "newness" of the hardware, but 1/2 because of the newness of the software/OS. I don't see any major issues, but I would rather have Apple/Developers/Users iron out all the issues so I can buy at v2.0 (after they clear up any loose ends)

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by biposto

wow, that would be really the end for Apple as being an innovative computer hardware manufacturer if they put a regular asus/aopen/abit board into a powermac.
Surely they will develope something nice themselves for the intel cpu

I don't think Apple would just use off the shelf motherboards. It's going to be custom if nothing other than to force people to buy Apple's hardware. Sure it may be similar to other designs, but it will be designed by Apple.

[FenderGuy585]

When apple does decide to update their ibooks, will apple do it immediatly or will they give notice a day or two before?

[Voch]

Originally Posted by FenderGuy585

When apple does decide to update their ibooks, will apple do it immediatly or will they give notice a day or two before?

They're probably going to be available for immediate shipping, especially if it's just a speed bump of some kind. You'll find out when the Apple Store web page goes down and then comes back up again.

My dilemma is that I've been waiting for portable hardware that's a worthwhile upgrade to my TiBook. I assume the Intel-based Macs are going to make that a reality, but not right away. The question is, and always has been, am I going to get better and more use out of a new iBook versus my current TiBook...a question that only I can answer (yet I keep posting about it ). I'll make the purchase if I see something compelling in the new iBooks...

Voch

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by toffe

Ok. Thanks.

You know what. I just ordered my first mac ever....
15 minutes ago i went to officeline here in helsinki,

Now that you ordered, expect a new iBook coming out any minute

-t

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

My rules of buying:

1) Get money in order,
2) Wait for an update,
3) Buy,
4) Don't look back.

I've been waiting for step two for 3 months.

Good for you. I'm working on Step 1 at the moment

-t

[FenderGuy585]

A friend of mine told me that apple has already created the new ibooks and are just waiting for the powerbooks to sell more until they release them. Is this information accurate?

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Good for you. I'm working on Step 1 at the moment

-t

Step one is ALWAYS the hardest step. I guess I should make it

1) Save money
2) Save money
3) Save money
4) Save money
5) Save money
6) Save money
7) Save money
8) Save money
9) Save money
10) Save money
11) Wait for update.
12) Buy
13) Don't look back.

[toffe]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Now that you ordered, expect a new iBook coming out any minute

-t

Yeah, I know. But then i'll just be happy for you guys. And enjoy my iBook.

[storer]

I'm leaning towards a 12' powerbook now. We'll see yet.

[toffe]

Originally Posted by storer

I'm leaning towards a 12' powerbook now. We'll see yet.

I think that's a good idea

[Ji Eun]

the diff b/w 12" ibook vs. pbook specs is not worth the price gap at the moment.

[inprnt]

the gap will only get smaller when the ibooks get updated

[FenderGuy585]

Originally Posted by storer

I'm leaning towards a 12' powerbook now. We'll see yet.

I wouldnt get a 12" powerbook if i was you. The specs may be better at the time but it doesnt look very good in my opinion. The only two notebooks i would get is the 12" ibook or the 15" powerbook.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by FenderGuy585

I wouldnt get a 12" powerbook if i was you. The specs may be better at the time but it doesnt look very good in my opinion. The only two notebooks i would get is the 12" ibook or the 15" powerbook.

I agree...

Unless you need specific things the PB has (spawning, DVI, etc.)

[TiDual]

Originally Posted by Ji Eun

the diff b/w 12" ibook vs. pbook specs is not worth the price gap at the moment.

It's not just about the specs. I seriously compared the two for a couple days, as a possible replacement for my 15" when travelling. The PowerBook is simply a nice machine physically. Better looking, better keyboard, a little lighter, and notably more compact. The iBook is a great value, and has some advantages of it's own (e.g. general robustness). But you're kidding yourself if you only compare the hardware specs. In the end, I found the 12"display too small, so didn't bite ... but if I did it would be the powerbook.

[alimunnik]

Forget about any meaningful upgrades any time soon. With Motorola and IBM both out of the picture, the former is not going to further develop the G4. If the iBook was upgraded, it would only cut into PB sales, as that line has pretty much maxed out on the specs front. With both laptop lines spinning their wheels in a PC speed rut, demand for them should decline dramatically over the next few months. This might prompt Apple to drop prices significantly in order to boost flagging sales.

[mitchell_pgh]

For me, I'm waiting for the iBook and I'll pick up the $999 model. In 2+ years, I'll upgrade to a x86 Mac. I feel the PowerBook (while very cool) doesn't have much that (for me) differentiates it from the iBook.

[FenderGuy585]

Even though i hope my predictions are wrong, I cant help but to think that there wont be an update any time soon . What does everyone else think? Will there be an ibook update before August?

[Ji Eun]

Originally Posted by TiDual

It's not just about the specs. I seriously compared the two for a couple days, as a possible replacement for my 15" when travelling. The PowerBook is simply a nice machine physically. Better looking, better keyboard, a little lighter, and notably more compact. The iBook is a great value, and has some advantages of it's own (e.g. general robustness). But you're kidding yourself if you only compare the hardware specs. In the end, I found the 12"display too small, so didn't bite ... but if I did it would be the powerbook.

kidding myself? that's kind of patronizing and insulting.
i based my purchase on specs and cost. both are good-looking machines, and i have no need for the bells and whistles on the pbooks.

nb: new 12" arriving monday

[TiDual]

Originally Posted by Ji Eun

kidding myself? that's kind of patronizing and insulting.
i based my purchase on specs and cost. both are good-looking machines, and i have no need for the bells and whistles on the pbooks.

nb: new 12" arriving monday

Sorry, not at all intended to be patronising

I just see the "specs" argument posted a lot here, and it fails to capture a lot of what 12" PB offers. I was surprised at how the PB was notably more compact (especially the height, when open, which is critical on airplanes). Basically, I found it slightly better than the ibook, in a lot of areas ... of course, it cost is a big factor in the decision, then the iBook is still a great machine, and indeed not much worse than a PB in any single factor. Enjoy.