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chme6583 · 11:21 AM

Because so many of you CONSUMERS are still buying these outdated PB. Please stop so we can see a real update.

Commodus · Oct 25, 2005, 11:25 AM

Er, no.

It's a combination of Freescale's relatively slow processor releases (we should have had the 7448 by now), IBM's inability to make G5s run cool at an acceptable speed, and Apple's wanting to ensure that their first Intel-based models are truly worthwhile.

Contrary to popular belief, Apple doesn't just put out the minimum it can get away with. In many cases, it puts out what it can. I'd also add that anyone who was looking at a low-end PowerBook is probably very happy. If you're a 12" buyer, you get 20 GB more hard drive space and a DVD writer at the $1500 price. If you're a 15" buyer, you get the DVD writer, 128 MB of VRAM, and a faster processor at the $2000 price; that doesn't even consider that the screen is higher-resolution and the battery life is longer.

aristobrat · Oct 25, 2005, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by chme6583

Because so many of you idiots are still buying these outdated PB. Please stop so we can see a real update.

I just picked up one of the ones announced last week. It's my first PB, so I really don't consider it outdated, esp. after having only paid $1999 for something that before last week would have cost $2299+!

I'm sorry that the update wasn't worth YOUR while, but your thoughts on the PB definately don't speak for all of us here.

djkny · 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Commodus

Er, no.

It's a combination of Freescale's relatively slow processor releases (we should have had the 7448 by now), IBM's inability to make G5s run cool at an acceptable speed, and Apple's wanting to ensure that their first Intel-based models are truly worthwhile.

Contrary to popular belief, Apple doesn't just put out the minimum it can get away with. In many cases, it puts out what it can. I'd also add that anyone who was looking at a low-end PowerBook is probably very happy. If you're a 12" buyer, you get 20 GB more hard drive space and a DVD writer at the $1500 price. If you're a 15" buyer, you get the DVD writer, 128 MB of VRAM, and a faster processor at the $2000 price; that doesn't even consider that the screen is higher-resolution and the battery life is longer.

Response to the thread below: Yes.

Fusion · Oct 25, 2005, 12:03 PM

How bout this theory:

A bunch of people paid more per day for their skills than you get paid in a year for yours sit around a board table and figure out exactly the sweet-spot between updates and cost. Many other factors considered as well, i.e. marketing, production, inventory control, etc... All this for one purpose, to make shareholders of APPL profit.

I love how everyone on this forum thinks they are smarter than these people, like you have some cosmic information and know exactly what it would take to make Apple more profitable, even though in reality you know **** except for maybe how many gigawatage mega-tera-bits the latest hard drive/isight super duper drive can process in one nano-second.

One of these days you people are going to pull your head out of your ass cracks and realize Apple is a publicly traded company, not a geekery computer kiosk.

And I'll echo aristobrat, "You don't speak for everyone." Clearly.

iomatic · Oct 25, 2005, 12:04 PM

Blame the users. Right.

Originally Posted by chme6583

Because so many of you idiots are still buying these outdated PB. Please stop so we can see a real update.

Reported.

mduell · Oct 25, 2005, 12:42 PM

Actually, not many people are idiots. Look at Apple's recent financials. They don't break out laptop sales anymore, but using a few reasonable guesses you can see how low PowerBook sales are these days.

tooki · Oct 25, 2005, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by iomatic

Blame the users. Right.

Reported.

That wasn't abuse, and wasn't report-worthy.

Do I agree with the OP? No, of course not, that theory is nonsense. Tactful? Not terribly. But not egregious, personally directed vitriol, either, the kind we want you to report.

tooki

aristobrat · Oct 25, 2005, 02:02 PM

Was it the 'idiots' reference in the OP that he felt reportworthy?

iomatic · Oct 25, 2005, 02:15 PM

Yeah, I thought calling people idiots on the board was abusive. I guess it wasn't personally directed at me, so therefore not report-worthy

Just trying to help. Meh. I'll stop then.

fisherKing · Oct 25, 2005, 04:45 PM

perhaps if everyone stopped buying macs, the company would see the need to make better machines, and get them on the market immediately.

or, of course, apple could fold from that very lack of sales.

business keeps business alive.
and, judging from it's history, apple is pretty good at (slowly) advancing the "state-of-the-art".

but discussion is what these forums is all about.
keep those crazy opinions coming!

John123 · Oct 25, 2005, 05:49 PM

It's a fine update, albeit not spectacular, and it's cheaper. I'm buying. And every other objective indicator (other than my PB purchase, of course) suggests I'm quite the opposite of an idiot.

Imagine that.

ericssonboi · Oct 25, 2005, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Fusion

How bout this theory:

A bunch of people paid more per day for their skills than you get paid in a year for yours sit around a board table and figure out exactly the sweet-spot between updates and cost. Many other factors considered as well, i.e. marketing, production, inventory control, etc... All this for one purpose, to make shareholders of APPL profit.

I love how everyone on this forum thinks they are smarter than these people, like you have some cosmic information and know exactly what it would take to make Apple more profitable, even though in reality you know **** except for maybe how many gigawatage mega-tera-bits the latest hard drive/isight super duper drive can process in one nano-second.

One of these days you people are going to pull your head out of your ass cracks and realize Apple is a publicly traded company, not a geekery computer kiosk.

And I'll echo aristobrat, "You don't speak for everyone." Clearly.

Well said.

bcaslis · Oct 25, 2005, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Fusion

How bout this theory:

A bunch of people paid more per day for their skills than you get paid in a year for yours sit around a board table and figure out exactly the sweet-spot between updates and cost. Many other factors considered as well, i.e. marketing, production, inventory control, etc... All this for one purpose, to make shareholders of APPL profit.

I love how everyone on this forum thinks they are smarter than these people, like you have some cosmic information and know exactly what it would take to make Apple more profitable, even though in reality you know **** except for maybe how many gigawatage mega-tera-bits the latest hard drive/isight super duper drive can process in one nano-second.

One of these days you people are going to pull your head out of your ass cracks and realize Apple is a publicly traded company, not a geekery computer kiosk.

And I'll echo aristobrat, "You don't speak for everyone." Clearly.

Excellent reply. I love how so many here seen to think that Apple is 100% incompetent and that they could do it better. If you like the product buy, if not don't. Clearly someone is liking it since they are buying in more numbers than before.

mrmister · Oct 25, 2005, 09:20 PM

"A bunch of people paid more per day for their skills than you get paid in a year for yours sit around a board table and figure out exactly the sweet-spot between updates and cost. Many other factors considered as well, i.e. marketing, production, inventory control, etc... All this for one purpose, to make shareholders of APPL profit."

One criticism: if Apple was run for only one purpose and was entirely driven by stock valuation its doubtful that it would be worth a pitcher of warm spit.

JoshuaZ · Oct 25, 2005, 11:28 PM

At least they gave us something at all.

I`d rather have a good Intel Pbook release then a bad one with bad press and a bad image. Think about it. Fool.

Ω · Oct 25, 2005, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by iomatic

Yeah, I thought calling people idiots on the board was abusive. I guess it wasn't personally directed at me, so therefore not report-worthy

Just trying to help. Meh. I'll stop then.

I guess you don't hang out in the Lounge much.

Abuse is when you hit someone across the face with a wet kipper!

exactopposite · 03:44 AM

i think it's a matter of apple using what it has. i don' think apple WANTS to be using the g4 at all anymore really, but the g5 isn't going to work in a laptop/notebook computer because of the heat. considering that there will probably be intel based powerbooks by the middle of next year (speculation), why would freescale ramp up production for a processor (the 7448) that will only be needed for 6-8 months. i think this situation with the g4 is a big part of why the intel switch is happening.

analogika · Oct 26, 2005, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by exactopposite

i think it's a matter of apple using what it has. i don' think apple WANTS to be using the g4 at all anymore really, but the g5 isn't going to work in a laptop/notebook computer because of the heat. considering that there will probably be intel based powerbooks by the middle of next year (speculation), why would freescale ramp up production for a processor that will only be needed for 6-8 months. i think this situation with the g4 is a big part of why the intel switch is happening.

Another good point there.

I'm surprised it didn't occur to the original poster that Apple might WANT to give us the absolute monstrous Powerbook update, but simply CAN'T?

Don't you think Apple would LOVE to build the fastest, slimmest, most beautiful, and cheapest full-featured laptops in the world? It's not like they wouldn't sell ten times the number of 'books that they are now...

Yeah, stupid users.

shabbasuraj · Oct 26, 2005, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by chme6583

Because so many of you idiots are still buying these outdated PB. Please stop so we can see a real update.

ya.. it is MY fault...

classic.

chme6583 · Oct 26, 2005, 11:08 AM

[QUOTE=Fusion]How bout this theory:

A bunch of people paid more per day for their skills than you get paid in a year for yours sit around a board table and figure out exactly the sweet-spot between updates and cost. Many other factors considered as well, i.e. marketing, production, inventory control, etc... All this for one purpose, to make shareholders of APPL profit.

You are an idiot. I own 1,000 shares of Apple and love being a shareholder. Don't insult yourself by posting a response.

As far as getting paid more than me, you must be referring to Steve Jobs and the very top-level executives. The engineers who design Apple products are not even in the top 1% of income in the U.S., like myself. I am not trying to brag, I just hate when people talk like the actually know something.

iomatic · Oct 26, 2005, 11:12 AM

Just preserving this for posterity. I'm not really into policing the forums, but I gotta save this one. Folks, this is serious flame-bait. I know you want to. Just don't.

Can I report it now?

[QUOTE=chme6583]

Originally Posted by Fusion

How bout this theory:

A bunch of people paid more per day for their skills than you get paid in a year for yours sit around a board table and figure out exactly the sweet-spot between updates and cost. Many other factors considered as well, i.e. marketing, production, inventory control, etc... All this for one purpose, to make shareholders of APPL profit.

You are an idiot. I own 1,000 shares of Apple and love being a shareholder. Don't insult yourself by posting a response.

As far as getting paid more than me, you must be referring to Steve Jobs and the very top-level executives. The engineers who design Apple products are not even in the top 1% of income in the U.S., like myself. I am not trying to brag, I just hate when people talk like the actually know something.

Fusion · Oct 26, 2005, 11:16 AM

[QUOTE=iomatic]Just preserving this for posterity. I'm not really into policing the forums, but I gotta save this one. Folks, this is serious flame-bait. I know you want to. Just don't.

Can I report it now?

Don't worry...

chme6583 · Oct 26, 2005, 11:21 AM

[QUOTE=iomatic]Just preserving this for posterity. I'm not really into policing the forums, but I gotta save this one. Folks, this is serious flame-bait. I know you want to. Just don't.

Can I report it now?

I'm not even speaking to you.

I admit idiot was too harsh; I am just upset about these PB updates. We, as consumers, speak with our wallets. If we consumers stopped purchasing these PBs it would be amazing how fast Apple would lower the price, give us an update, or discontinue the line.

I know I started the insult on this thread, but I also have the right to defend myself when someone insults me back (just like he did when I insulted him).

I am sorry for using the word idiot, don't take everything so personal.

chme6583 · Oct 26, 2005, 11:22 AM

I have edited my original comment. Please calm down.

iomatic · Oct 26, 2005, 11:25 AM

Well, I'm glad you deign to speak to me now. Since you're a shareholder with I don't know-- more than $55,000 in shares-- you could sell them. That would make some significant impact, I think. You could also write a letter. Since you make so much money, perhaps you can use your influence on the board? Say, take them out to dinner and advise them on product strategy?

I'll tell you what though: posting here and calling people idiots ain't gonna do squat.