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amazing · May 18, 2006, 03:22 PM

As far as Siracusa's article goes, in the publishing world you can't go too far wrong by calling people idiots. Generates lots of traffic, publicity. It's been done through history, there's tons of Roman and Greek plays, Molière did it, it's great movie fare. The protagonists are either idiots or trying to rise above the crowd of idiots.

What he seems to forget is that he's a "people" too, yet another one amongst the great crowd of "idiots."

fisherKing · May 18, 2006, 03:23 PM

reading thru this thread, i realize i really need to SEE the macbook in person.
gonna go to the apple store (and hopefully, check it out next to a 12" ibook, or powerbook...

just seems worth trying in person (rather than making decisions based on other's opinions)

still..what are these forums for, if not discussion/argument/opinions??

striker100 · May 18, 2006, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by bernt

PCWorld highly disagrees with that statement:
"I've viewed the DV1000's screen both indoors and out; and I've been amazed by how crisp and legible it is, even in direct sunlight. (Most notebook screens look washed-out in bright light.)

HP's BrightView makes everything on screen look better, crisper, and cleaner. Best of all, with the DV1000, I can sit at an outdoor cafe table on a sunny day and work."

Link: http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article...,118951,00.asp

I'm a bit confused here, how can someone say that the screens are shitty when used outside, and others praise it?

Is HP's Brightview different from what Apple is using?

This is absolutely true! My wife has an HP dv5000 with the shiny TrueBrite display, it is absolutely gorgeous and is extremely viewable in direct sunlight. As a matter of fact my 1.67GHz 15" Powerbook was not useable at all outdoors, the display totally washed out. Right now I'm sitting on the patio, the sun is going down and is strong and the HP display is totally useable, I'm typing on it right now!

masugu · May 18, 2006, 07:24 PM

I have a Sony S series with the XBrite screen. Love it - but sadly since I travel for work a fair bit, I always have the security screen on it so I don't get to enjoy it much.

popstand · May 18, 2006, 09:14 PM

You guys should actually play with one. The screens are great, believe me. In most conditions, where you are using it normally, you see almost no reflections. If you are looking at it from off angles, you can see reflections, but that is not normal usage. I am not being a fanboy, it just really isn't as big of an issue as these postings, the vast majority of which come from people who have never actually seen one in person, would lead you to believe. Go to an apple store, which is loaded with light sources, and you'll see what I mean.

kcmac · May 18, 2006, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by popstand

You guys should actually play with one. The screens are great, believe me. In most conditions, where you are using it normally, you see almost no reflections. If you are looking at it from off angles, you can see reflections, but that is not normal usage. I am not being a fanboy, it just really isn't as big of an issue as these postings, the vast majority of which come from people who have never actually seen one in person, would lead you to believe. Go to an apple store, which is loaded with light sources, and you'll see what I mean.

Agreed. The screen is really nice in person. In fact, we preferred the BlackmagicBook even more than the White version when reviewing the screen. Seemed like slightly less reflection.

Or it could be the black voodoo. Anyhow. The screen is a pleasure on the MB. It will be interesting to see an MBP with a glossy screen in person. Wondering if more glossy screen real estate will be overwhelming.

hattori.hanzo · May 20, 2006, 02:14 PM

The real question is, does the refleciton mess the actual colour, if you are like me and you are processing raw images for print on a calibrated screen, your portable processes would be dead. I wish we had a matte black mac book pro before august with hardware fixes so I could buy that for school as it is mandatory for us to have mbps

Bryanmc · May 20, 2006, 06:07 PM

Spent some time at the Apple Store yesterday (2 hours to be exact) and used a BlackBook for a while to get a feel for it. I ended up really liking the keyboard, it was easy to type on and felt pretty comfortable.

The screen, however, I did not like. I found the reflections very distracting and the entire time I felt like I was looking at the screen through a window. I totally get that some people like this, I'm just not one of them.

I *really* wish they'd offer an option for matte or glossy like they do for the MBP. As it is, the glossy will probably keep me from ever getting a MacBook.

N.N. · 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

This reflection pretty much sums it up.

First of all, this picture is not a real photo, but an illustration from Apple's website. Secondly, I think that you completely misinterpreted it. To me it seems quite obvious that this picture is intended to illustrate the difference between the traditional screen with anti-reflective coating (upper/left half) and the MacBook's clear, glossy screen (lower/right half).

While the former basically diffuses ambient light from any direction into all directions and therefore can cause the picture to look washed-out, the latter reflects ambient light like a mirror so that it doesn't disturb the picture (unless, of course, the light comes from behind you and directly reaches your eyes).

Just for the record, I would prefer it if Apple gave the user a choice between glossy and anti-reflective screens not just on the MacBook Pro, but on the MacBook as well, because both screen types have distinct advantages and disadvantages and neither one can possibly suit everybody.

amazing · May 23, 2006, 10:06 AM

Glossy screens are a love-it-or-leave-it reaction.

I've been in 2 different stores, Apple and CompUSA, with 2 different lighting schemes. Glare and distracting reflections in each. I really pay attention to reducing eye fatigue and I also know where I'm going to be using that laptop. Even with the matte screen of my 12", I have to position it to reduce interference from windows and light sources. Glossy would be much worse.

If you like the vivid graphics from glossy screens, then that preference may out-weigh the downside of eye fatigue. Also, perhaps someone might think that they're not as susceptible to eye fatigue, or might not spend as much time on their laptop in a location where glare is a problem.

Having the choice between the 2 very different screens is important--and I dearly hope that Apple will catch on and allow that option in Rev B of the MB.

Eug Wanker · May 23, 2006, 10:11 AM

It wouldn't be so bad if the viewing angle on the MacBook's screen were better, but its viewing angle is just as bad as the previous 12" screen.

I'm quite disappointed with the choice of the glossy screen, but unfortunately, much of the lower end market prefers glossy screens, I guess partially because some don't realize the problems until they get the unit into their own office etc. under different lighting conditions.