[anonymac]

I've been considering a PC laptop for my next purchase. The new macbook pro is packaged nicely but even a $999 PC laptop still blows it out of the water. My friend has a laptop that has harmon/kardon speakers that are the nicest sounding speakers I ever heard on a laptop including the $3,000 powerbook. Why does Apple claim to innovate when they are basically conceeding that PCs are better which is why they are moving to Intel and making their computers with built in cameras and multiple drives, etc.? Trackpad scrolling you say? Already on the PC. Is there any reason to continue buying overpriced/old hardware from Apple???

[shecky]

troll much?

[siflippant]

Originally Posted by shecky

troll much?

[cla]

Since you're more concerned about hardware than software, maybe a PC is right for you.

[Giblet Jones]

Originally Posted by anonymac

I've been considering a PC laptop for my next purchase. The new macbook pro is packaged nicely but even a $999 PC laptop still blows it out of the water. My friend has a laptop that has harmon/kardon speakers that are the nicest sounding speakers I ever heard on a laptop including the $3,000 powerbook. Why does Apple claim to innovate when they are basically conceeding that PCs are better which is why they are moving to Intel and making their computers with built in cameras and multiple drives, etc.? Trackpad scrolling you say? Already on the PC. Is there any reason to continue buying overpriced/old hardware from Apple???

Here we have a good example of someone who is seeking to have a flame war, class.



Go figure...

[Cadaver]

[Elektrix]

Just in the off chance that this poster ISN'T a troll (I doubt it, but who knows), I will say that I actually made the same "decision" you are claiming to be considering...... I have been a Mac user for a long time, but I actually went through a couple of PC notebooks in the past few years....... a Toshiba and a Sony Vaio. I was thinking "well, Windows isn't that bad, and these notebooks should do the job too".

All I can say is that I was wrong. The experience of owning and using a PowerBook (or MacBook Pro or whatever) and owning even a high quality PC notebook are just not the same. The hardware just isn't that good (even the premium brands like Sony have really shoddy problems like loose batteries, which still plague even the current SZ series), and Windows seems to be a major pain in the ass to use as a notebook operating system. I had a ton of problems with various drivers, etc. and the experience of owning a PC notebook was just a huge pain in the ass.

I sold my Vaio, and my next notebook purchase is going to most likely be a MacBook Pro (although I'm still deciding whether or not I might just go with the regular MacBook). I'm not going to make the mistake of moving away from OS X again for my mobile needs.

[Zeeb]

Originally Posted by anonymac

I've been considering a PC laptop for my next purchase. The new macbook pro is packaged nicely but even a $999 PC laptop still blows it out of the water. My friend has a laptop that has harmon/kardon speakers that are the nicest sounding speakers I ever heard on a laptop including the $3,000 powerbook. Why does Apple claim to innovate when they are basically conceeding that PCs are better which is why they are moving to Intel and making their computers with built in cameras and multiple drives, etc.? Trackpad scrolling you say? Already on the PC. Is there any reason to continue buying overpriced/old hardware from Apple???

Mr. Troll, if you compare the hardware specs feature by feature the newer Macs are equal to or exceed the value of any PC. In order to be a better troll, you need to do more research and attack from a more well-informed standpoint. That will generate the irate responses you are looking for.

[anonymac]

Alot of you accuse me of being a troll but, thing is i already own a powerbook and don't find it adequate for alot of things. first of all there is the compatibility issue most things aren't compatible between work and home

i work and at work everything is windows. and microsoft office isn't really all that compatible between mac and windows. Certain things just don't work, and thing also is that while os x is nice it's not a very fast operating system. it's got great graphics but i know what i'm doing in windows much more than os x even though people claim os x is so intuitive. Macbooks may be really thin at 1 inch, but a pc laptop is 1.5 in, not that much difference to me and they have things like a numeric pad built in, hotkeys, trackpad scrolling, etc., plus everything in windows seems to run and open faster than the mac.

basicaly, i just have a powerbook now to browse the internet more than anything else, even my email in outlook isn't compatible with the mac. i was just wondering what is soo special about the macbook to keep buying it. if you want to call me names then fine, but it doesn't help your case for continuing to buy a mac.

[ibook_steve]

I just want to know what aspects of Office are not compatible between the Windows and Mac versions that you have such a problem with. What other "compatibility" issues do you have? Details needed since your reasons for this (1" vs. 1.5") hold zero water.

Steve

[cla]

I agree that a Windows laptop feels faster given the same memory and CPU. Be it different swapping/paging algorithms or the fact that Mac OS simply is a bit hungrier.. I don't know.

Compatibility is also a problem, since Windows is setting the (inofficial) standard. I've never had this issue, so I take it you must be working on some pretty complex Office documents.

Sounds odd that Apple Mail isn't compatible with your work e-mail. Are you sure about this?

Anyway, the great benefit, if you ask me, is all the stuff you never have to hazzle with. Reinstalling every six months, firewall + antivirus + security, things that should "just work" but don't (unless you reinstall or run regedit).

Regarding the vast number of applications available for Windows. I switched back to Mac OS from Windows two months ago (having switched to Windows four months before that), and I don't miss one single application (except Picasa...).

I'm convinced that if you want to be productive, you'll get that extra money you spent on extra memory back in no time.

[cla]

Originally Posted by ibook_steve

I just want to know what aspects of Office are not compatible between the Windows and Mac versions that you have such a problem with. What other "compatibility" issues do you have? Details needed since your reasons for this (1" vs. 1.5") hold zero water.

A simple Excel file with a VB macro should do.

[Elektrix]

Umm, based on what you just posted, why are you even asking us? It sounds pretty clear that you already have your mind made up that a PC notebook would be much better for you, so what in the world are you asking us for? Nothing anyone here says is going to change your mind based on the arguments you've stated.

So really, if you aren't trolling, what exactly are you doing? Go and buy a $999 PC laptop and have fun with it.

[baw]

Originally Posted by anonymac

I've been considering a PC laptop for my next purchase. The new macbook pro is packaged nicely but even a $999 PC laptop still blows it out of the water. My friend has a laptop that has harmon/kardon speakers that are the nicest sounding speakers I ever heard on a laptop including the $3,000 powerbook. Why does Apple claim to innovate when they are basically conceeding that PCs are better which is why they are moving to Intel and making their computers with built in cameras and multiple drives, etc.? Trackpad scrolling you say? Already on the PC. Is there any reason to continue buying overpriced/old hardware from Apple???

Nice nick.

[wancothesane]

<--- wow, first post for an OG macnn forum whore (me) lol

i still have a g3 blueberry imac, but stopped using it ever since i got my toshiba craptop. i have the satellite 207 or something, and the build quality on this thing is extremely poor. not to mention the design.. (hinges holding the screen up broke)

anyway, my experience with windows has been ~~ alright. I love the fact that there's a multitude of software, even though most of them are little, stupid, fun apps. but then, that's about it. i'm not a PC gamer, since i have a ps2, so it stops there.

i hate how i have to worry about doing adware and virus scans everyweek on windows. the long startups, and random program crashes despite my 712mb of memory. hm, i think in tottal, i had to wipe the hd and reinstall windows 5 times over the course of 4 years.

on my g3 imac (os 10.1) i only had to do it twice. and it's been running strong for about 6 years now.

i still use my imac from time to time and i just naturally feel like windows gets in the way sometimes compared to the os 10.x experience.

that's my view.

next update to my computer line is mac book pro i say that's a very nice upgrade compared to my 200 something g3 mhz imac

[paulccpaul]

I'll tell you what, laptops have always been Apple's forte, but with all the problems lately (whines, discoloring) Apple better bolster their line and stop making artificial barriers between the macbook and macbook pro. To me, the macbook is the perfect size for a laptop and the fact that they butcher the video card in there makes me want to look at other options. Case in point, the Sony Vaio SZ with a geforce 7300 also has specs of 1" thin, 13.3" widescreen lcd core duo procesorr 120gb hard drive (reading off the page now ) And it appears to be expensive at 2200 dollars. But it's the size of a macbook and hell it might even run osx considering its an intel motherboard and the only thing limiting osx86 on beige pcs is drivers. geforce won't really work right now but someones working on those drivers (and if apple ever releases nvidia drivers yay) whatever.... if a Windows pc floats your boat, there's no problem there. Apple is not the holy grail despite what many people say. They make stylish high quality computers, but they're still computers. Get whatever you need. For me, I'm not getting another apple laptop until they release a pro line or game line of the macbook. I might even take up trying to get osx86 on a beige pc laptop. (just gotta wait on video drivers now.....) have a nice day

[Elektrix]

paulccpaul, I don't understand why you're comparing the SZ, which costs twice as much, to the MacBook. I mean, you blame Apple for "butchering" the MacBook, but most every other laptop in its price range also features an Intel GMA950, including many laptops from Sony.

You also act like Apple is the only company to make laptops with problems. Check a Sony Vaio forum sometime, and you'll find that there have been a huge number of problems with both the S series and the SZ series (problems with the keyboards, loose batteries, various other hardware problems, etc.). Plus, Sony is notorious for having some of the worst support in the industry. And the Sony accessories are insanely overpriced (i.e. $300 for an S or SZ-series battery).

There are always going to be tradeoffs. No, Apple isn't the holy grail in laptops, but neither is anyone else. Dell, Sony, Toshiba, HP have all had their share of problems.

The SZ is more comparable to the MacBook Pro, and for a similar price, you get something that isn't that much heavier or larger, but has a bigger screen.... and the X1600 in the MacBook Pro is much better than the Sony SZ's GeForce 7400 you seem to be so enamored with.

The MacBook Pro frankly is a perfectly solid "gaming" laptop, and the only thing you'll really find that will beat it would be 17" "gaming" notebooks like the Dell E1705 or Toshiba P105 with 7900GS's, but those have their own share of problems, and are of course huge and heavy, which doesn't seem to fit your criteria either.

[baw]

What is with these low post count trolls today?

[paulccpaul]

electrix - don't take my post offensively please. I don't mean to stir up emotions. For me, size is a huge factor. And so is video card performance. I'm a gamer with a conscience for size. I love my powerbook 12" computer. I think the macbook is even better at 13.3" and 1280x800 resolution (that's right i hope). But, the sz I mentioned, is the same size as the macbook, with macbook pro like options. Sure it's more expensive, but I'm more concerned with size. Besides, what's the biggest differences today in the macbook and macbook pro. Size, video card, and price. The size is too big for me, and the video card and price are fine. If they released a more capable video card in the macbook i'd be all over it. And why am I so enamored with the geforce 7300 (not 7400, the 7400 is only available in the 15.4 inch sz models as far as I know), I'm enamored with it because its available in the smaller form factor laptop. Seriously, it's the only thing that holds me back from a macbook. My gpu in my powerbook (5200go) is about on par with the intel 950 in the macbook. Personally, I'm not upgrading until at least they put a full fledged g965 (X3000 not the feature cut 3000 version). Just my 2 cents...

[paulccpaul]

sorry I misspelled your name eleKtrix, but to clarify what I mean; I love mac os X the operating system, but I don't always like to be tied in to what a particular vendor wants me to use for their hardware. Hell, the powerbook I'm using right now, I built myself, upgraded the cpu myself, and while I can't do much customization, because I built it myself, I got it about 500 dollars cheaper than if I had bought it whole. Desktop PCs, I also build myself, I like having options and with Apple, unless you are one of their target consumers, you'll have a very hard time justifying the price just to use OSX. I love OSX! Therefore, if I got a PC laptop, I would probably want to make sure that it could run OSX. With this as an option these days, you can get a Toshiba, or a Sony or something else and still run OSX and its software. Apple is a good company, but the fact is they are still a company that relies on the bottom line of making money to survive. We as consumers are NOT in their best interest 100% of the time. Our interests are our interests and they try to convince us that their interests are the same as ours. But if they aren't, you take matters in to your own hands and try to get something better. Bleh, this post might be trollish as well as the others, but I don't mean it that way. I enjoy lively discussions. And labeling someone a troll as a couple did with the first poster is not really productive IMO. I like hearing others opinions and then trying to get good points out of them. Long live socratic dialogue