[Scotttheking]

On these hallowed grounds, on the date of February 5, 2003, I declare that I shall be the first to the notable milestone of 7500 points in the honorable folding at home project, and with this milestone, will ascend into the first place spot. At this time I will also don the holy shirt of the target, giving you all a goal to try and pass. Fear not, for I will make this a terribly painful and difficult goal.

Any who dare to challenge, speak now, for this milestone will be met at the approximate date of March 15, 2003.

[reader50]

7,500 is not a recognized milestone.

You are hereby dipped three times in the boiling oil for making dubious statements in front of witnesses, as per Club Rule #1173b subsection 2.

Have a nice day.

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
Any who dare to challenge, speak now, for this milestone will be met at the approximate date of March 15, 2003.

Oh goody! I love a challenge. It helps me keep my mind off of fried chips. Hope you got a couple of more notches you can crank it up, because I am not dead in the water yet.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
Hope you got a couple of more notches you can crank it up, because I am not dead in the water yet.

Well, let's just say that this machine I'm typing on wasn't running the same OS 2 hours ago, and the one it is now running is a little more f@h friendly

[Shaktai]

well I got all my boxes back up, and all of them except the Macs are now running an OS that is a little more F@H friendly too.

[krove]

Ok, maybe I should empty my bank account on some cheap, fast machines.

Any ideas on what I could start with?

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by krove:
Ok, maybe I should empty my bank account on some cheap, fast machines.

Any ideas on what I could start with?

Uh, call dell and buy their most expensive pentium 4 systems

By the way, that comment has persuaded me that I need 2 new systems instead of one. Just got to scrape up a few more dollars

[Shaktai]

Okay, where's the piggy bank and hammer????

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
Okay, where's the piggy bank and hammer????

Piggy bank is in my sister's bedroom, hammer is in the garage.
But, you might need a shotgun and a bank vault to stay ahead
Just check out my production late tomorrow afternoon

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
Just check out my production late tomorrow afternoon

2.5 more hours

[Shaktai]

Looks like we will have to wait till after 1800 Pacific time for a stats update, to see what you are up to. I think that's when the F@H stats update next. A little bit after that before our team stats page updates.

Having a pretty good day myself though. Think it might be a record for me, by the time the day is done.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
Looks like we will have to wait till after 1800 Pacific time for a stats update, to see what you are up to. I think that's when the F@H stats update next. A little bit after that before our team stats page updates.

Having a pretty good day myself though. Think it might be a record for me, by the time the day is done.

Hmm, I wonder where my power boost is. I guess I'll have to go check tomorrow.
...Unless, krove or shaktai stole it!!!!!
I'm onto you two

[Shaktai]

I think it must have been Krove. I just had my best day ever and he still beat me on the day.

Whatever you have in reserve Scott, it better be good. As long as I can keep all my boxes going, I should break 7500 in about 23 days, before either you or Krove. Sooner if I can catch some of those Gromac Proteins. Then again, by that time, I may have found a little more ummphh!


Then if jbcool keeps his promise to knock me off my box, this might get real interesting. Last one to 10,000 is a.............

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
Whatever you have in reserve Scott, it better be good. As long as I can keep all my boxes going, I should break 7500 in about 23 days, before either you or Krove. Sooner if I can catch some of those Gromac Proteins. Then again, by that time, I may have found a little more ummphh!

Planning on ordering 2 xp2100s in the next few days. One for stats processing, the other for pure DCing. Depends on the cash situation and one other thing.

[Shaktai]

Looks like krove had a nice dump. If he keeps that up he will be the first to 7500. My next couple of days will be rather light, then I should get a good dump too.

[krove]

Scott should have some new machines coming online though.

He better hurry, because I plan on bringing aboard some new machines as well.

[jbcool]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
I think it must have been Krove. I just had my best day ever and he still beat me on the day.

Whatever you have in reserve Scott, it better be good. As long as I can keep all my boxes going, I should break 7500 in about 23 days, before either you or Krove. Sooner if I can catch some of those Gromac Proteins. Then again, by that time, I may have found a little more ummphh!


Then if jbcool keeps his promise to knock me off my box, this might get real interesting. Last one to 10,000 is a.............

I be keepin that promise. I just have to take the #3 spot at d-fold and get in the top 100 before I start moving things over.

Scott did you ever get netboot working? Any hardware that you found was better than others? I have a fry's in town and a full pocketbooks. I can add one box a week if I could get netboot going.

I'll come play with you guys in a couple of days.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by jbcool:
I be keepin that promise. I just have to take the #3 spot at d-fold and get in the top 100 before I start moving things over.

Scott did you ever get netboot working? Any hardware that you found was better than others? I have a fry's in town and a full pocketbooks. I can add one box a week if I could get netboot going.

I'll come play with you guys in a couple of days.

Aye, netboot is up and working. Just not with f@h. Stupid netboot doesn't do DNS resolution. I need to work on it. Along with about 200 other things.

I'll try playing with it later this week, see if I can hack it together so that f@h works.

For hardware, I'm now looking at 333FSB motherboards and XP2100s and DDR2700, then overclocking the procs. Of course, with no price drops today, well,
Edit: Looking at, and just ordered

[krove]

Ahh...look at that power!

I have a projected 3-4 week time frame to hit 7500. I don't know if you can catch me, Scott...

[mikkyo]

hmmm
There is about 9AtoHertz sitting idle around here somewhere.
I'm kinda bored though.

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by krove:
Ahh...look at that power!

I need like 6 more crunchers. Big ones.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by mikkyo:
hmmm
There is about 9AtoHertz sitting idle around here somewhere.

eh?

I'm kinda bored though.

EH?

I sure hope you aren't planning on leaving. What would make it more interesting?

[Shaktai]

Ah Ha! I have discovered the secret to Scott's power. He has pulled a total of 77 gromacs cores to date.

I have pulled only one. The amazing thing is that krove has pulled only one or two gromacs and is still turning some incredible numbers.

On another topic, we might see Gromacs for Mac OS-X as soon as a month from now. (note I said "might") Ladies and gentlemen, start your G-4's. Based upon beta benchmarks, a single 1.25 ghz G4 can perform roughly on par with a 2 ghz Pentium 4 or an Athlon 1800, when running the gromacs core under Linux with their SSE or 3D now optimizations. If this carries over to production gromacs, any dual G-4's lucky enough to run Gromacs cores will turn in some very impressive numbers. Of course there is no way to get "only" Gromacs core. Most work units still use the tinker cores which run very slow on macs.

[mikkyo]

I was making a funny.
Ato- is 10^-21
And no I'm not leaving.
All the projects just seem so poorly managed.
I mean, I like update my Palm more often than they update the clients, and that is almost never.

What command line options are folks using for F@H? I find it lame that your priority choices are idle and low. How about GIMME ALL SHE'S GOT SCOTTY!!!

Originally posted by Scotttheking:

Originally posted by mikkyo:

hmmm
There is about 9AtoHertz sitting idle around here somewhere.

eh?

I sure hope you aren't planning on leaving. What would make it more interesting?

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by mikkyo:
I was making a funny.
Ato- is 10^-21
And no I'm not leaving.
All the projects just seem so poorly managed.
I mean, I like update my Palm more often than they update the clients, and that is almost never.

What command line options are folks using for F@H? I find it lame that your priority choices are idle and low. How about GIMME ALL SHE'S GOT SCOTTY!!!

Ahh, I see.

I'm use -advmethods -forceasm

I don't worry much about priority, since it'll use whatever I'm not, and I keep my crunch boxes pretty clean of excess stuff.


I see you've had a little production today, are you planning on coming out and playing?

[mikkyo]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
I see you've had a little production today, are you planning on coming out and playing?

That was yesterday, I wanted to see how pathetic a 833 G4 was.

[DAlex]

Well hopefully I should be adding a bit more power shortly, not quite in the same league as you guys but I hope to see a doubling...mind you, I'm kinda happy with the three I've got (imac 800, G4 733 and xp1700 (running a bit faster than it should ). Our new severs should be installed soon so I get their idle time (evenings and weekends).

DAlex

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by mikkyo:
All the projects just seem so poorly managed.
I mean, I like update my Palm more often than they update the clients, and that is almost never.

Yeah, I agree to that. The Pande team at F@H seem to have been more agressive about that then most, but then they have had more then their share of server and data problems too. However they do seem to respond quickly to most problems. They also have an active beta test team (which you have to request to be on)

What command line options are folks using for F@H? I find it lame that your priority choices are idle and low. How about GIMME ALL SHE'S GOT SCOTTY!!!

Low is the highest. Pretty much F@H takes 100% of anything available though, and gets out of the way of all other programs. Low increases its priority slightly, but not significantly. It would be nice if they offered something less "nice".

Orginally posted by scotttheking:
I'm use -advmethods -forceasm

Hmmm! gonna have to try that. I haven't tried -forceasm yet. That is probably why you get so many more Gromacs cores. How do you add that to the startup of the Windows clients?

[mj_1903]

I have a Dual 867 G4, 1ghz Athlon and several other assorted G3 Macs.

If someone wants me to join their conquest, post below, but there is one thing needed. You need to show me how to set up Folding on my powermac so that it runs on both processors and so that is takes the most advantage of my processors (not raising the nice levels).

Mat

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by mj_1903:
I have a Dual 867 G4, 1ghz Athlon and several other assorted G3 Macs.

If someone wants me to join their conquest, post below, but there is one thing needed. You need to show me how to set up Folding on my powermac so that it runs on both processors and so that is takes the most advantage of my processors (not raising the nice levels).

Mat

Thanks for the offer, but I'd suggest you run under your own username for the team.

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by mj_1903:
I have a Dual 867 G4, 1ghz Athlon and several other assorted G3 Macs.

If someone wants me to join their conquest, post below, but there is one thing needed. You need to show me how to set up Folding on my powermac so that it runs on both processors and so that is takes the most advantage of my processors (not raising the nice levels).

Mat, I agree with Scott, join the fun but run under your own name and take the credit. In the end it is all about the science, but it is fun to have teams and a little competition too.

Now as to running two instances on your dual it is pretty easy. First register a username on the folding@home website which is http://folding.stanford.edu
1. Download the console version
2. Create two folders with different names. You can put them anywhere you like. Maybe call one Folding1 and the other Folding2.
3. Put a copy of the Console client in each folder.
4. Open the terminal and type CD, then drag one of the folders on top of the terminal window. Hit return. (that directs it to the correct directory.
5. type chmod +x name of the client (that makes the client file runnable)
6. type ./nameofclient -local (that makes it create all of the support files in the folder instead of under home/library/folding@home and starts the client)
7. Follow all the instructions for setup Enter your username that you setup and team #16
8. Continue to follow the prompts and select advanced options when it gives you the opportunity. Under advanced options, when it asks for machine ID set 1
9. Let it run and crunch.

For the second client open another terminal window and repeat steps 4 through 9, but under step 8 set the machine ID to 2. (That prevents the OS from confusing the two different clients.)

At that point you should be running two clients with two different work units. Using the -local command on intitial startup is important, otherwise the client by default will setup a folder in you home directory under library/folding@home, and you can't have two clients accessing the same work unit.

Any problems just ask. Folding@home also has their own very active forums where you can learn a lot if you want to.

After all that, with the computers you have just check the stats daily and watch your climb up the ranks. Your Athlon will initially be your big cruncher, but once Gromacs cores are released for Mac OS (still a little ways away) then your dual G4 should do pretty well also.

Hope to see your name in the stats, and don't be a stranger here in the forum. Every little bit helps the team, and the project and science benefits humanity. Also Folding@home is very friendly to other applications, and will get out of the way when other programs need the CPU, but will use any CPU cycles not needed elsewhere.

[Scotttheking]

So my response, which is an athlon xp 2100, came.
Motherboard hasn't yet, so I dropped it in to replace an 1800. Started overclocking. And found the bad news. This motherboard will only let me take the vcore (needed to hit really high speeds, at a loss of chip life) to .1 above standard. So that meant 1.7, and I was planning on 1.8 or 1.85. Set to work overclocking, expecting at least 166MHz on the front side bus, before finding out about the vcore problem. Right now I am at 160FSB, and that looks to be as high as I can hit. 2080MHz from a 1733MHz chip. Not bad, but it could probably be 200MHz more if not for the mobo. Sigh.
Now I need to find a new mobo

[Scotttheking]

I FOUND MY MISSING PRODUCTION!!!!!!!

Looks like you can't copy a client.cfg file from machine to machine. So I had a bunch of machines doing the exact same thing. Whoops.
Hopefully I'll be able to get there to fix it tomorrow evening.

Edit: It may have cost me as much as 500 points, and that's going to be tough to overcome.

[Shaktai]

Well looks like I will have to settle for the #3 slot before too long. Still, might pick up a 2100 for my good mobo, just to see what I can sqeeze out of it.

[Scotttheking]

Just got back from reinstalling (correctly this time) a bunch of computers. Looks like they should all dump their first WU in about 26 hours.

Now to get to work setting up the new computer with the parts that just came.

Ok krove, now I'm gunning for you. It's going to be tough to make up for 6 days of not crunching from the secret weapon, but I have faith.

[The Raven]

I am thinking about adding a couple machines to the effort with F@H. Can you help me with the setup of it?

1. Can you run it as a sevice?(98,xp)
2. What is the best hardware/OS mix


Scott you said you dont have netbooting working with F@H. What about dFold?? If so
any Info anyone can point me to?

Thanks for your help!!

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by The Raven:

1. Can you run it as a sevice?(98,xp)
2. What is the best hardware/OS mix

1. I don't know about running as a service so will let someone else address that.
2. Athlons running Windows.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by The Raven:
I am thinking about adding a couple machines to the effort with F@H. Can you help me with the setup of it?

1. Can you run it as a sevice?(98,xp)
2. What is the best hardware/OS mix


Scott you said you dont have netbooting working with F@H. What about dFold?? If so
any Info anyone can point me to?

Thanks for your help!!

1. Yes it can run as a service in winxp using firedaemon, there's also a systray app (GUI app) that works fine in win98.

2. Athlons as hardware, windows OR linux + wine (linux+wine probably wins by a tiny bit) for OS

Yes, netboot is working with DF. You have to dump from the server, but the clients can run it offline for weeks, and it's not hard to make a cronjob that dumps weekly or so.
Took some mods, but I can probably figure out what I did, and maybe even document this time


BTW, NEVER start a OS install at 9PM, especially if it's a linux install using a disk you've never used before.

[jbcool]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
I should break 7500 in about 23 days, before either you or Krove. Sooner if I can catch some of those Gromac Proteins. Then again, by that time, I may have found a little more ummphh!


Then if jbcool keeps his promise to knock me off my box, this might get real interesting. Last one to 10,000 is a.............

Ok I have moved one machine over to f@h and should have another four over here in the next two weeks. Just want to enjoy being in front of Mikkyo in the d-fold project instead of so far behind that I can't catch up.

Looks like the protien I got will take about three days to complete.

Yea, like trying to catch you and scott in the f@h project.

[Shaktai]

Read the story at http://teamtest.the-depths-of-hell.c...html/index.php

[The Raven]

Thank you all for your help. I will add at least 2 this week hopfully a few more later.

[Shaktai]

Okay Krove and Scott, Now is the chance to make your move on me. My internet connection is down since last night and it doesn't look like it will be fixed today. Half my boxes are inactive because they can't upload or download. The other half are still crunching due protein size, but won't be any help for another couple of days, if my connection is fixed. (looks like my DSL modem failed).

[Scotttheking]

Oddly, gromacs does not like the overclock on my new box. It's sucked 100MHz off it, and it still won't run. I'm not sure what's going on, but it is costing me production

Still working to pass though

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
Oddly, gromacs does not like the overclock on my new box. It's sucked 100MHz off it, and it still won't run. I'm not sure what's going on, but it is costing me production

Still working to pass though

I remember reading that Gromacs is a lot more sensitive to overclocking because of the additional demands it puts on the CPU. Solution seems to be to back off the FSB a couple of megahertz to stabilize it, then it works fine.

Oh, and I am finally back. Just dumped 6 work units and got some new ones, and still have one 73 pointer crunching.

[Scotttheking]

Stats say that I'll pass you both in 13 days

[reader50]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
...
Oh, and I am finally back. Just dumped 6 work units and got some new ones, and still have one 73 pointer crunching.

(shhh...shhh) while Shaktai fools around in Folding, reader50 makes up lost ground in SETI. Soon*, soon, we will have our revenge.

*soon adv. 1. In the near future, no more than a couple months away.

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
Stats say that I'll pass you both in 13 days

Only because my connection was down for a couple of days.
Then again, the checkered flag hasn't been waved yet.

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by reader50:
(shhh...shhh) while Shaktai fools around in Folding, reader50 makes up lost ground in SETI. Soon*, soon, we will have our revenge.

*soon adv. 1. In the near future, no more than a couple months away.

Did I mention that I finished up a SETI unit or two when I couldn't get anything else to crunch?

[Scotttheking]

Hmm, I wonder if I can hit 500 before this is all said and done.
Too bad my power isn't sustainable.

[Shaktai]

You have had some impressive production, and of course my internet outage couldn't have happened at a worse time for me. Must be your lucky week.