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OneMacGuy · Apr 16, 2003, 11:42 AM

I am considering most of my systems from SETI to something worthwhile. I have never believed in ET, but it did make a cute screen saver. I would like to put all of my systems on something that might make a difference, but I need a client that runs on virtually anything like Mac OS 9 and X and Windows 98 - XP.

What would you all suggest? Where could my systems make a difference in the teams standings? Are there any DC clients running that I would not be starting out years behind the competition curve?

Thanks!

Shaktai · 12:13 PM

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
I am considering most of my systems from SETI to something worthwhile. I have never believed in ET, but it did make a cute screen saver. I would like to put all of my systems on something that might make a difference, but I need a client that runs on virtually anything like Mac OS 9 and X and Windows 98 - XP.

What would you all suggest? Where could my systems make a difference in the teams standings? Are there any DC clients running that I would not be starting out years behind the competition curve?

Thanks!

The only projects I can think of so far that still run OS-9 are SETI, OGR (part of RC5) and Evolution@Home. The other OS's run most projects. The last two have a Team MacNN but are pretty small and not real active, but are the only choices outside of SETI for OS-9.

My personal favorites are Folding@Home, Distributed Folding, and D2OL, in that order. However, they require OS-X for macs. There is expected to be an all new Distributed Folding project before too long (a few weeks maybe), that will probably require the stats to be reset to zero for everyone. That would be good for new folks who want to get on board without having to play catch up to folks who have been crunching for a long time.

My personal recommendation would be leave your OS-9 machines on SETI, and then move the rest to Folding@Home or Distributed Folding. Both of them are different approaches to "Protein Folding" D2OL is drug docking, and have announced they expect to release a SARS target within a couple of weeks.

OneMacGuy · Apr 16, 2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Shaktai:
The only projects I can think of so far that still run OS-9 are SETI, OGR (part of RC5) and Evolution@Home. The other OS's run most projects. The last two have a Team MacNN but are pretty small and not real active, but are the only choices outside of SETI for OS-9.

My personal favorites are Folding@Home, Distributed Folding, and D2OL, in that order. However, they require OS-X for macs. There is expected to be an all new Distributed Folding project before too long (a few weeks maybe), that will probably require the stats to be reset to zero for everyone. That would be good for new folks who want to get on board without having to play catch up to folks who have been crunching for a long time.

My personal recommendation would be leave your OS-9 machines on SETI, and then move the rest to Folding@Home or Distributed Folding. Both of them are different approaches to "Protein Folding" D2OL is drug docking, and have announced they expect to release a SARS target within a couple of weeks.

Thanks Shaktai

I looked through the choices and pretty much determined that Folding seemed to be a pretty good choice. I have some friends that urging me to switch to United Devices, but they are PC only and we have no team setup for them. I think I will hang out in SETI until the new client for Folding comes out. It would be a good time to switch.

OneMacGuy · Apr 16, 2003, 01:28 PM

Anyone have any experience setting up F@H from behind a corporate firewall? I am trying but getting no connection.

BTW, some setup instructions for the F@H client would be nice. Even the team number was hard to find.

mikkyo · Apr 16, 2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
Anyone have any experience setting up F@H from behind a corporate firewall? I am trying but getting no connection.

BTW, some setup instructions for the F@H client would be nice. Even the team number was hard to find.

Visit the team site.
http://team.macnn.com/fold/

Clui instructions
http://team.macnn.com/fold/installc.phtml

As to the firewall, nothing special needed to be done for my machines. You can surf the web from inside your firewall yes?

OneMacGuy · Apr 16, 2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by mikkyo:
Visit the team site.
http://team.macnn.com/fold/

Clui instructions
http://team.macnn.com/fold/installc.phtml

As to the firewall, nothing special needed to be done for my machines. You can surf the web from inside your firewall yes?

I looked at the instructions, unfortunately only for a Mac. At work I am running a PC, Windows 2000, P4 2.8 GHZ though. Should crunch well.

Yes, I am behind a firewall that I can surf through, though not much else. It is REAL tight.

enola · Apr 16, 2003, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
Anyone have any experience setting up F@H from behind a corporate firewall? I am trying but getting no connection.

I didn't have much luck getting F@H to work at my work place. It could get a work unit but not return it once finished. I'm not in a position to go asking the gatekeepers of our proxy what the issue might be so I have that machine doing Distributed Folding which doesn't have a problem receiving or return work behind the firewall.

enola · Apr 16, 2003, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Shaktai:
There is expected to be an all new Distributed Folding project before too long (a few weeks maybe), that will probably require the stats to be reset to zero for everyone.

Oh, say it isn't so! There's no way I'm ever going to produce the kind of run I had last year.

Shaktai · Apr 16, 2003, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by enola:
Oh, say it isn't so! There's no way I'm ever going to produce the kind of run I had last year.

Don't know what the final decision was, but I think they will keep some sort of a historical standing, or combined point structure, but the eventual new client will work and score differently. The old scores won't be thrown away, they would lose too many people if they did that. But the new client will allow new folks to start clean with the new structure.

reader50 · Apr 17, 2003, 01:26 AM

Regarding dFold stats, this is how it seems to be working out.

The old stats system is still going, and will freeze when the new client comes out of beta.

They already have stats pages up for the beta client, which look much like the current stats. Since the beta client is PC-only, the PC teams are working up a big lead. Only after it comes out of beta will the client be ported to Mac.

I suspect the beta-stats will continue as the new stats. They started at zero already when the beta client first came out, and only the beta client can crunch into them. I have not heard any word that they will be rezeroed in time for the non-PC clients, so our existing stats will be gone and we get to start at the bottom after spotting the PC teams a few months lead time.

Chinasaur · Apr 17, 2003, 09:26 AM

Reader,

I don't think that's right but I can't find Brian's email that says the stats will be reset after the beta period is over. But I can't see them giving those people a head start.. Brian runs a fair ship.

Look forward to the competition with Team MacNN

Chinasaur
Team FreeDC

Welnic · Apr 17, 2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by reader50:
Regarding dFold stats, this is how it seems to be working out.

The old stats system is still going, and will freeze when the new client comes out of beta.

They already have stats pages up for the beta client, which look much like the current stats. Since the beta client is PC-only, the PC teams are working up a big lead. Only after it comes out of beta will the client be ported to Mac.

I suspect the beta-stats will continue as the new stats. They started at zero already when the beta client first came out, and only the beta client can crunch into them. I have not heard any word that they will be rezeroed in time for the non-PC clients, so our existing stats will be gone and we get to start at the bottom after spotting the PC teams a few months lead time.

No, it's not that bad.

The stats will definitely be reset, the new scoring is totally different. But the beta stats are only for the beta runs. They are being reset for every version of the beta that comes out, which is every week or so. Right now just the algorithm is being tweaked, I expect that there will be an all platform beta before the general release.

One thing that is cool about the beta client is that instead of just generating a lot of folds that don't have anything to do with each other you pick the best one out of a batch of 10000 that are generated randomly and then try to improve it for 250 generations. If you look at the View Details next to one of the top ten folds there are graphs on how the protein changes through the generations.

http://beta.distributedfolding.org/

Then click on Stats.

Chinasaur · Apr 17, 2003, 11:00 AM

welnic,

Right

Slower going but better science

OneMacGuy · Apr 23, 2003, 11:25 AM

Any word on when the dfold client will go production? I need some time to prepare to shift all of these cpu's to a new DC client.

Welnic · Apr 23, 2003, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
Any word on when the dfold client will go production? I need some time to prepare to shift all of these cpu's to a new DC client.

The beta is being tested now, it will probably be done when the current protein on the old client is finished. That is projected to be sometime in the middle of June on Dyyryath's project overview stats page.

http://stats.zerothelement.com/cgi-b...ct-detailed.pl