[jclarkv]

I suppose one could argue about whether D2OL crunching is a 'real world' task or not. And, of course, there's the argument about whether anything is optimized for anything at any time. But, for the sake of meaningless (but fun) comparisons, I'll post what my two active nodes are doing these days:

G5 1.6 GHz= 61 candidates/day
iMac 800 MHz = 21 candidates/day

Good crunching.

[Shaktai]

Okay, here's mine. This is current weekly averages, because sizes do change periodically. The previous library we worked on was proportianatly slower because of larger size molecules.

iBook 600 - 24.7
PowerMac 800 single - 34.2
Celeron 1.3 (old style with Linux) - 59
Celeron 2.6 (new style w/XP) - 56.3
Athlon 1900 (overclocked w/Linux) -77
Athlon 1900 (stock w/Linux) - 68
Athlon 2400 (stock w/ Linux) - 80.7

And yes you read that right, the Celeron 2.6 (128 L2cache) is slower then the old style Celeron 1.3 (256 L2 cache) The crazy part is that running Linux on the 2.6, it was significantly slower then running Win XP. The opposite of the other machines. Go figure!

[mikkyo]

Some one made a D2OL benchmarking utility before.
It would take one protein and run a task on it and spit out a result.
The target came with the benchmarking tool.
Try and find that and see if it works with the new one, of course it probably isn't valid anymore.
You would probably need to use a new target from the latest stuff.
Maybe the person has updated their utility?

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by mikkyo:
Some one made a D2OL benchmarking utility before.
It would take one protein and run a task on it and spit out a result.
The target came with the benchmarking tool.
Try and find that and see if it works with the new one, of course it probably isn't valid anymore.
You would probably need to use a new target from the latest stuff.
Maybe the person has updated their utility?

I think that DBench is what you are referring to: http://homepages.opencominc.com/smichael/dbench.html

[jclarkv]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
I think that DBench is what you are referring to: http://homepages.opencominc.com/smichael/dbench.html

I can't figure out how to get it to compile in OS X with GCC.

When I issue

[G5:~/Downloads/DBench] cvenable% /usr/bin/gcc DBenchlinux.cpp

from the terminal, I get:
"ld: Undefined symbols:
___gxx_personality_v0"

----5 minutes later----

Issuing:
g++ -o DBench DBenchLinux.cpp
works. Now I just have to figure out where GridWin.exe is!


--- 5 minutes later-----

both GridWin.exe and DockWin.exe are at:
Contents-->MacOS-->res-->data-->bin

I copied both files to my DBench directory and issued: ./DBench

drum roll please:

Target: SARS IV
Candidate: nci_340557.aq
Number of Atoms: 15 Rotatable Bonds: 0
1: 356 -5.88 00:21 11: 349 -5.88 00:20
2: 344 -5.87 00:20 12: 353 -5.91 00:19
3: 349 -5.88 00:21 13: 357 -5.88 00:20
4: 338 -5.91 00:21 14: 352 -5.85 00:15
5: 362 -5.85 00:19 15: 338 -5.87 00:15
6: 350 -5.91 00:22 16: 363 -5.85 00:15
7: 352 -5.91 00:20 17: 336 -5.85 00:16
8: 368 -6.17 00:19 18: 364 -5.91 00:16
9: 354 -5.87 00:20 19: 346 -6.17 00:17
10: 343 -5.91 00:22 20: 360 -5.88 00:14

03 Oct 2003 02:55:50 AM 0 nci_340557.aq SARS IV 15 0 -6.17 -5.85 00:06:12 2 29791 00:01:08 00:07:22

Total Time: 442 seconds

Comparing this to the posted 2.0 GHz P4 (which took 390 seconds for the same task on the same candidate), my 1.6 GHz G5 is about 13% slower even though it has 20% few GHz.

I'm happy.

Oh, the app is at: http://homepage.mac.com/jclarkv/FileSharing11.html

While you're there, check out "Boxes iMovie".

[OneMacGuy]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
Okay, here's mine. This is current weekly averages, because sizes do change periodically. The previous library we worked on was proportianatly slower because of larger size molecules.

iBook 600 - 24.7
PowerMac 800 single - 34.2
Celeron 1.3 (old style with Linux) - 59
Celeron 2.6 (new style w/XP) - 56.3
Athlon 1900 (overclocked w/Linux) -77
Athlon 1900 (stock w/Linux) - 68
Athlon 2400 (stock w/ Linux) - 80.7

And yes you read that right, the Celeron 2.6 (128 L2cache) is slower then the old style Celeron 1.3 (256 L2 cache) The crazy part is that running Linux on the 2.6, it was significantly slower then running Win XP. The opposite of the other machines. Go figure!

I just downloaded and installed the new client on my G4/533 DP Mac. The F@H client ran slower on it than on a celeron! I do like the look of the D2OL client a lot! It appears MUCH more professional than any other DC client that I have tried, full featured too. Even has a push button for manually uploading completed work. Seems to have most of the features that programs like dfGui add to the dFold client already built in. I could never find a client monitor built for F@H that was nearly as clean or easy to interpret as dfGui was for dFold, too bad.

This new D2OL client has some real cool appeal, I might consider switching my farm, after I take the numero uno spot away from Raven in Folding and dFold for production numbers! Watch out Raven, here I come!!!

[Chinasaur]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
Okay, here's mine.

PowerMac 800 single - 34.2

Shaktai,

Just started D2OL with a G3 800. Was wondering if if your 800 was a 3 or 4.

Thanks

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by Chinasaur:
Shaktai,

Just started D2OL with a G3 800. Was wondering if if your 800 was a 3 or 4.

Thanks

Mine is a G4. A G3 should still do well at 800. Look at the numbers for my iBook 600 which is a G3. L3 caches help on some models. My PowerMac does not have an L3 cache. Only the 256k L2. If your G3 is one of the newer ones with a 512k L2 cache, it should do as well or maybe even better.

[Chinasaur]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
Mine is a G4. A G3 should still do well at 800. Look at the numbers for my iBook 600 which is a G3. L3 caches help on some models. My PowerMac does not have an L3 cache. Only the 256k L2. If your G3 is one of the newer ones with a 512k L2 cache, it should do as well or maybe even better.

It's a B&W w/ Powerlogix upgrade, 1GB RAM so I'm hoping for something close to your numbers.

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by Chinasaur:
It's a B&W w/ Powerlogix upgrade, 1GB RAM so I'm hoping for something close to your numbers.

Sweet. I checked the Powerlogix website, and that should be a 512k L2 cache. Give it a week to get a good average, but you might even beat my numbers. I'd be interested in hearing what you get after several days. 30 candidates would be equal to 600 conformers (team stats)

I'm thinking about either a 1.25 or 1.4 upgrade with L3 cache for mine. Thought about a dual 1.25, but they seem to have a lot of heat problems. Might still consider the dual 1.0.

[OneMacGuy]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
Sweet. I checked the Powerlogix website, and that should be a 512k L2 cache. Give it a week to get a good average, but you might even beat my numbers. I'd be interested in hearing what you get after several days. 30 candidates would be equal to 600 conformers (team stats)

I'm thinking about either a 1.25 or 1.4 upgrade with L3 cache for mine. Thought about a dual 1.25, but they seem to have a lot of heat problems. Might still consider the dual 1.0.

I ordered the dual 1.25 upgrade 2 months ago and still a "no show". They claim it is on backorder, but they charged my card anyway! I had not heard about the heat problems, what have you heard? Might be why it is on backorder, trying to fix the problems?

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
I ordered the dual 1.25 upgrade 2 months ago and still a "no show". They claim it is on backorder, but they charged my card anyway! I had not heard about the heat problems, what have you heard? Might be why it is on backorder, trying to fix the problems?

Check out ttp://www.xlr8yourmac.com/ They have a lot of user reports there. Some have had success with them but I don't have a lot of time to mess with it. Would rather play it safe then push it too hard. My Macs are my work machines. They have never gone done (since OS X), and I want to keep it that way.

[jclarkv]

Oops. That last run was with iTunes blasting away. If I turn iTunes off, I get 330 seconds. Significantly better.

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by jclarkv:
Oops. That last run was with iTunes blasting away. If I turn iTunes off, I get 330 seconds. Significantly better.

Not bad for an un-optimized app running on an un-optimized OS. I am really interested in seeing how much Panther improves performance on the G5's. Going to be a while before I can get one though.

[Chinasaur]

Anyone,

I have a Rev A iMac with 28x MB RAM doing dNet right now under 9.1. Want to put OS X and D2OL on it.

Should I wait till Panther comes out, or put 10.2.6 on it now? I'm just wondering if the page in's/out's will kill performance without more RAM.

What you think?

[OneMacGuy]

Originally posted by Chinasaur:
Anyone,

I have a Rev A iMac with 28x MB RAM doing dNet right now under 9.1. Want to put OS X and D2OL on it.

Should I wait till Panther comes out, or put 10.2.6 on it now? I'm just wondering if the page in's/out's will kill performance without more RAM.

What you think?

I ran 10.2.x on my wife's iMac 400 DV until she threatened me if I did not put it back on 9.2. I had 512 MB Ram and a 60 GB 7200 RPM HD in it and it still ran so slow..... Needless to say she is back running 9.2. I am running SETi on it for lack of a better DC client for OS 9.x.

I did not see any real diff in performance to go to OS X for the SETI client though, still about 30 hours per WU! Your 28x ram should be enough if that is all it is doing, however if you try to run Photoshop on it, well take breaks often....

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by Chinasaur:
Should I wait till Panther comes out, or put 10.2.6 on it now? I'm just wondering if the page in's/out's will kill performance without more RAM.

Based upon what I have heard, I would say wait for Panther. Word is, the responsiveness will be better then with Jaguar, especially on some of the older boxes. Of course that is rumor, but I think we only have about a months wait for the release of Panther.

[Chinasaur]

Shaktai .. yeah .. I've read it's faster and hopefully less than a month..but oh well.

Pros - A few more units a day

Cons - Bring my Avg Docking time down


Was looking at your evalutation of what hardware it would take to bring MacNN up in the dailies... started me thinking. I was thinking of getting a refurb'd dual 1.25, but for the price I can get five XP2600 boxes

My G3 800 is my primary work machine and I recently upgraded it to 800, but I miss having a dual. Would be nice to play UT2K3 on my Mac Just can't justify the expense right now

Anyway, thanks for the comparisons ... always interested in Mac vs AMD (and other DC related harware) comparisons.

[DrBoar]

Dual 1.25 and a 1.2 GHz GigaDesign upgraded Sawtooth all do 300-310 candidates/week and that is about 42/ day and CPU. Those are my active nodes