[OneMacGuy]

I overtook corneredbeast and CobraMac finally after months of chasing to take the number 1 position finally! I have been in the top few of distributed folding and seti, but never been in the top spot before! I am now 104th overall in the folding@home!!!!

I only took CobraMac's top spot because he moved on to Climate Prediction, but corneredbeast put up quite a fight!

I kinda hate to toot my own horn, but these forums have been so dead lately that I figured very few people would read it anyway.

Thanx to Scott and Reader50 for making the stats pages so awesome! What a team!!

[Scotttheking]

Congrats. I don't have the power to chase you anymore, but who knows, maybe that'll change at some point.

Stats props go solely to reader50. I don't do much with them.

[reader50]

Nope, Scott only supplies a few $K of servers and bandwidth to make the stats happen. Nothing much.

Good work, OneMacGuy. My Sawtooth will overtake you someday, but you are safe for a (really) long time.

[Zimmerman]

Mad propers to OneMacGuy. And to think he did it with just OneMac!

[jbcool]

After all those months of rest I got woke up buy somebody playing a horn. What is that all about?

Congrats on overtaking the big guns.

Looks like I fell back a few slots while I was away.

I hope I can get some funds together one of these days so I can play again.

jb

[Scotttheking]

welcome back

[jbcool]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
welcome back

In the famous words of Elvis "Thank you, thank you very much."

Finally got a box doing some work again. Gave away the other seven boxes to deserving homes. Maybe I can get the farm built back up when I "Get a haircut and a real job."

Good to see you, reader50, and a few others are still around. Notice a lot of new names, good to see thing still going forward.

Anybody got an AMD 64 crunching? Any stats on their speed?

[OneMacGuy]

Originally posted by jbcool:
In the famous words of Elvis "Thank you, thank you very much."

Finally got a box doing some work again. Gave away the other seven boxes to deserving homes. Maybe I can get the farm built back up when I "Get a haircut and a real job."

Good to see you, reader50, and a few others are still around. Notice a lot of new names, good to see thing still going forward.

Anybody got an AMD 64 crunching? Any stats on their speed?

I have two AMD Athlon 64/3500 cpu's crunching here. They are the fastest thing I have even seen on Tinker units. I use a program on the whinedows computers called FAHstats that monitors all of my farm machines and it says that when my Athlon 64s are crunching a 240 point Tinker unit, they are generating around 200 points each per day! They drop way back on the Gromcas cores to around 120 ppd. They do only seem to be about 10-20% or so faster than my XP3000 cpus that are overclocked to be X3200s.

BTW, it is to see you back! Not enough of us old timers hanging in here these days!

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by jbcool:

Anybody got an AMD 64 crunching? Any stats on their speed?

I've got one HP AMD64 3200. Not a great machine. I wouldn't go near another HP, but it is a great chip when on a good mobo. As OneMacGuy inidcated for FAH, fast on tinkers, slower on gromacs. On BOINC projects, it depends. Pretty good on Climate Prediction, slower on Einstein. Haven't tried it yet on SETI, and still waiting for Predictor to come back online.

Really good on integer calculations, not so good on floating point under a 32 bit OS. About the same performance under Win XP 32 bit or WIN XP 64 bit. None of the apps are really optimized for it yet, though there are some optimized Linux compiles for the Core BOINC program. Just none for the BOINC project applications. Linux community is starting to develop some cool stuff though to support 64 bit. Lots of 64 bit Linux builds now.

It really seems to vary by project more then most. For some things my Athlon 2400XP acually beats the AMD 64. For other things the AMD 64 blows everything else away.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
It really seems to vary by project more then most. For some things my Athlon 2400XP acually beats the AMD 64. For other things the AMD 64 blows everything else away.

I'm wondering how you got this. A 3200 would be a 2GHz 1MB L2 cache model, and a 2400 is a 2GHz 256KB L2 cache model.
There should never be a time when the 2400 beats the 3200.

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
I'm wondering how you got this. A 3200 would be a 2GHz 1MB L2 cache model, and a 2400 is a 2GHz 256KB L2 cache model.
There should never be a time when the 2400 beats the 3200.

Yep, you're right. I don't understand it myself really, but lets start by looking at some boinc benchmarks.

Athlon 2400 (E-Machines w/ DDR 266 RAM)
Measured floating point speed -- 1883.89 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed -- 4557.36 million ops/sec

AMD 64 3200 (Hewlett Packard w/DDR 333 RAM)
Measured floating point speed -- 1885.35 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed -- 5200.05 million ops/s

Now, part of the problem is probably bad HP design. Part of it may be the longer CPU pipeline (I think) resulting in more cache misses. However, running under a 32 bit operating system, the AMD 64 is probably crippled as to its true capabilities. I also suspect that the PC2700 RAM at 333 may be holding things back a little.

On integer instructions the AMD 64 really shines. It does extremely well on Climate Precition. (and on FAH tinker work units) On Einstein it is a different story. Here floating point runs neck and neck and the Athlon 2400 runs consistently within 30-40 seconds per work unit of the AMD 64. I had an Athlon 3000 running for a little while and it was consistently much faster then the AMD 64 on Einstien. There was something else I was working on, where the Athlon 2400 was actually faster for some things.

The only why that I can come up with is that HP design is bad, and doesn't do the chip justice. I am going to try adding some PC3200, and see if that doesn't help. Kind of like why is the Athlon 2400 faster then a P4 3400 on tinker work units. It has to do with the "type" of calculations and how they are handled by a particular cpu architecture.

UPDATE: Well the specs on the case indicate PC2700 RAM. When I popped the cover to check the status of the RAM, it shows PC3200. I guess HP upgraded the RAM somewhere along the line. Won't be upgrading it myself after all.

[jbcool]

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
I have two AMD Athlon 64/3500 cpu's crunching here. They are the fastest thing I have even seen on Tinker units. I use a program on the whinedows computers called FAHstats that monitors all of my farm machines and it says that when my Athlon 64s are crunching a 240 point Tinker unit, they are generating around 200 points each per day! They drop way back on the Gromcas cores to around 120 ppd. They do only seem to be about 10-20% or so faster than my XP3000 cpus that are overclocked to be X3200s.

BTW, it is to see you back! Not enough of us old timers hanging in here these days!

Thanks OneMacGuy (+ a bunch of other computers) good to be back even if it is at a snails pace. Was that a turtle that just flew by me?

Thanks for all the information guys. Looks like I will be happy for a while throwing 3GHz at it for a while. I am still hoping for the diamond based CPUs to hit the market but that may still be a while.
Expected Intel would have a 4GHz chip out by now. Gives me a reason to go ahead and build the 4TB Raid 5 storage unit when I get back to work.

[billybob128]

hey congrats on the new top place!!!

sorry jb had to over take u the other day. hehe. but now i got thoule close behind and i dont think that ill be able to pull away.

nice to see we are getting talking again the folding guys have been quiet recently

[jbcool]

Originally posted by billybob128:
hey congrats on the new top place!!!

sorry jb had to over take u the other day. hehe. but now i got thoule close behind and i dont think that ill be able to pull away.

nice to see we are getting talking again the folding guys have been quiet recently

Now worries billybob. I promise I won't try to hard to catch up. I threw 20% processing on the climate predition project so everyone should be able to keep ahead of me with no problem. I just do this stuff 'cause it may help someone someday. Need to find me a place on a lake where I can set up water cooling and grow me a farm. And get me some of those energy generation units. http://www.genesisworldenergy.org/ge...rld_energy.htm
So I don't have outrageous electric bills.

[Scotttheking]

jbcool, if you are thinking of building up a folding farm again, you might want to check this out.

[jbcool]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
jbcool, if you are thinking of building up a folding farm again, you might want to check this out.

Thanks for the information. I would love to have a 25 Gflop machine sitting in my rack. I have lots of projects that I could task it to do. And still do some crunching on the side. Pretty cheap for that kind of power.

[jbcool]

Finally had time to look at all the stats you guys/gals are putting out. I noticed that is is going to be really hard for me to run with the big dogs, much less catch up.

OneMacGuy: Impressive numbers that you are putting down. But could you put a sprinkler system on it to keep the dust down? The speed your going causes a vacuum behind you that picks up dust.

Welnic: Never have been able to run with you, never will.

Scott looks like I will need to get one of those cards just to keep up with these guys. Sure would be cheaper on the electricity and cooling but looks like it would require me to buy more new equipment.

Shaktai - For a guy that wasn't going to buy much new hardware you list sure has changed from what I saw a year ago. Must have found a rich aunt/uncle eh?

billybob: I don't think I could even catch up with you now. You have put down some impressive numbers since I have been away. I was surprised how well you have done. I think you had one or two old pc's last year. If that has been all that you are running it is very ipressive indeed.

One thing I got to say about the gang here you do make it a challenge.
It is really sad that the dual processor mac that I have is only 1/5 as fast as the 3.2GHz P4 running at 50% of the throtle.

Keep up the good work gang, 'cause I can't. Now where did I put all those scrap parts?

[billybob128]

well jp ur past me!! hopefully not for long. my G5 has been taking a year to do this gromacs. 2hrs per frame!!! nearly done that + the tinker tomo i should be flying again!!

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by jbcool:
:
Shaktai - For a guy that wasn't going to buy much new hardware you list sure has changed from what I saw a year ago. Must have found a rich aunt/uncle eh?

Don't I wish. Naw I have to pay for it all myself. Was going to add a G5, but had some other bigger priorities come up that needed attention. I'll have to wait a little longer for that.

[jbcool]

Originally posted by billybob128:
well jp ur past me!! hopefully not for long. my G5 has been taking a year to do this gromacs. 2hrs per frame!!! nearly done that + the tinker tomo i should be flying again!!

Well jp might be past you but I (jbcool) am way behind you.
I will try to catch up with you in the next year or two.

[SciFrog]

In one month I will have reached my max potential here (#12). It took about a year.

Then some of the slower of the 7 macs running FAH will have to go.
No way to catch up with the big boys up there as the chance to tap into the 250 idle comps at work is below zero...

Keep up the good work on the stats!

[jarling]

1 month away from top 10!

[OneMacGuy]

Originally posted by SciFrog:
In one month I will have reached my max potential here (#12). It took about a year.

Then some of the slower of the 7 macs running FAH will have to go.
No way to catch up with the big boys up there as the chance to tap into the 250 idle comps at work is below zero...

Keep up the good work on the stats!

I have some SUPEr high end PCs at work that would just kick but on folding, but alas, no way to get through the firewall! I used to cold get distributed folding to work through the firewall, but nothing else since. Serious shame, I have a dual Xeon 3.4 server running less than 2% CPU utilization that should really chew up some Gromacs units!

[billybob128]

grr such similar names. sorry bout that confusion.

im nearly through this gromacs that will seriously have taken nearly a week to get through!!

yeah i got about 200 computers from G3 imacs to G5 imacs just sitting there on about 1% max usage. no chance at all of using them.

and i hope that when i got to uni the firewall there wont block my folding or ill be out of the race totally

[The Raven]

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
I overtook corneredbeast and CobraMac finally after months of chasing to take the number 1 position finally! I have been in the top few of distributed folding and seti, but never been in the top spot before! I am now 104th overall in the folding@home!!!!

I only took CobraMac's top spot because he moved on to Climate Prediction, but corneredbeast put up quite a fight!

Congrats on the number one position OneMacGuy that is a nice achievement.
You have had a nice power gain since I have been active around here.

I added 4 new CPU's this weekend but only during business hours.
Maybe that will give me half your production

[OneMacGuy]

Originally posted by The Raven:
Congrats on the number one position OneMacGuy that is a nice achievement.
You have had a nice power gain since I have been active around here.

I added 4 new CPU's this weekend but only during business hours.
Maybe that will give me half your production

I am not sure why, but my production numbers have taken a nose dive! I won't be number one much longer, CorneredBeast is gaining fast!!!

It was fun while it lasted.

Time for a new credit card and some more boxen for the farm! Let's see newegg has Athlon 64/3000's for $150, I need three!

P.S. Great to see you back Raven ......

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by The Raven:
Congrats on the number one position OneMacGuy that is a nice achievement.
You have had a nice power gain since I have been active around here.

I added 4 new CPU's this weekend but only during business hours.
Maybe that will give me half your production

EEEP.
You sure kicked it up a notch. I'm not sure I can respond.

[The Raven]

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
I am not sure why, but my production numbers have taken a nose dive! I won't be number one much longer, CorneredBeast is gaining fast!!!

It was fun while it lasted.

Time for a new credit card and some more boxen for the farm! Let's see newegg has Athlon 64/3000's for $150, I need three!

P.S. Great to see you back Raven ......

Looks like you got your production back today 3,493 in the last 24 hours.

I going with a couple friends to fry's tomorrow we will see what we come back with
I must stay ahead of Scott

nice farm Jbcool here is a way to run with most anybody. (very good deal too)

[OneMacGuy]

Originally posted by The Raven:
Looks like you got your production back today 3,493 in the last 24 hours.

I going with a couple friends to fry's tomorrow we will see what we come back with
I must stay ahead of Scott

nice farm Jbcool here is a way to run with most anybody. (very good deal too)

A temporary high I am afraid. CorneredBeast is still gaining fast. I did go up on the boards at Stanford and found out that everyone else is complaining about the loss of production points too. The moderators said that the "bonus point" days are just about over and points should settle in at a much lower rate.

[Scotttheking]

I found one machine offline, and brought it back up. It was only an athlon xp 2400. If I'm lucky I'll be able to hunt down some more machines and turn them on while I'm here.

It's not likely that I'll be able to match The Raven.

[jbcool]

Originally posted by The Raven:
Looks like you got your production back today 3,493 in the last 24 hours.

I going with a couple friends to fry's tomorrow we will see what we come back with
I must stay ahead of Scott

nice farm Jbcool here is a way to run with most anybody. (very good deal too)

Thanks for the info raven. Might just need to take a trip to KC, price sounds good. Sounds like a plug an play type of deal.

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by jbcool:
Thanks for the info raven. Might just need to take a trip to KC, price sounds good. Sounds like a plug an play type of deal.

Hmmm! Do I need to start keeping an eye on the rear view mirror?

[jbcool]

Originally posted by Shaktai:
Hmmm! Do I need to start keeping an eye on the rear view mirror?

Naw, it is hard to justify even spending $1200 when I have been out of work for a year. I like the ClearSpeed solution much better anyway as it requires less electric and cooling power than 30GHz of processors. But on the other hand (she wore a glove). That would be more computers to give away down the road

If I decide to get serious again you won't need to look in the rear view mirror. I will have running lights and be in a monster truck

You know there are still guys on the team that I have never been able to keep up with. Lets see Raven, Cobramac, Mikkyo, Scott, etc.....

Somebody throw me an anchor!!! I'm drowning!

[Scotttheking]

I bumped the clearspeed thread, but Vijay's reponse was "sorry, we in general don't make status announcements for projects like this (eg GPU or other project ports). I am hoping to get hardware soon to have this running in house."
So, no idea if/when it'll actually pan out.

[jbcool]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
I bumped the clearspeed thread, but Vijay's reponse was "sorry, we in general don't make status announcements for projects like this (eg GPU or other project ports). I am hoping to get hardware soon to have this running in house."
So, no idea if/when it'll actually pan out.

I'm with you, this Clearspeed sounds like a better and cheaper solution than having a bunch of boxes eating up the electricity. Not to mention it is would be easier for me to lug around the country.

You sure you don't want me to test it out a couple of months before you get one.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by jbcool:
I'm with you, this Clearspeed sounds like a better and cheaper solution than having a bunch of boxes eating up the electricity. Not to mention it is would be easier for me to lug around the country.

You sure you don't want me to test it out a couple of months before you get one.

At this point, i'm broke, so none for me.
For all we know, it could require PCI-X slots, of which I have a grand total of zero. My new workstation was going to have 3, but I had to buy a new Powerbook instead.
If they come out, I'll try and pitch in a few dollars to buy one for a team username, but that's about all I can do.

[jbcool]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
At this point, i'm broke, so none for me.
For all we know, it could require PCI-X slots, of which I have a grand total of zero. My new workstation was going to have 3, but I had to buy a new Powerbook instead.
If they come out, I'll try and pitch in a few dollars to buy one for a team username, but that's about all I can do.

I understand where your coming from. My piggy bank is empty also. I did see that it would require the PCI-X slots which means a full time job to get the new graphics card, processor, motherboard, etc...

Hope school is going well, enjoy the break.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by The Raven:
I going with a couple friends to fry's tomorrow we will see what we come back with
I must stay ahead of Scott

What'd you end up getting? I came back with a 120GB HD, but that's for my Tivo.

Originally posted by jbcool:
I understand where your coming from. My piggy bank is empty also. I did see that it would require the PCI-X slots which means a full time job to get the new graphics card, processor, motherboard, etc...

Hope school is going well, enjoy the break.

You can grab a Tyan server board, which has onboard everything, so all you'd need is a pair of opterons, the board, ram, and the cards. They have boards with dual PCI-X busses, so you can get at least 2 cards in one system, maybe 4, depending on if they need their own bus.
That should make for a formidable crunching system.

If you wanted to go really high tech, you could go for something like this. I wouldn't mind something similar to that for a new teamstats box.

[jbcool]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
You can grab a Tyan server board, which has onboard everything, so all you'd need is a pair of opterons, the board, ram, and the cards. They have boards with dual PCI-X busses, so you can get at least 2 cards in one system, maybe 4, depending on if they need their own bus.
That should make for a formidable crunching system.

If you wanted to go really high tech, you could go for something like this. I wouldn't mind something similar to that for a new teamstats box.

That would be ok for a crunch only machine. I have been wanting to build a dual processor machine for my next project. I am finally running enough stuff where one processor is not always enough. Read up a couple of days ago about using Athlon XP processors in a MP setup. I think it was in OC Forums which was the same place they have a article about using a bong to do water cooling of the cpu's. Might have to try some of this stuff next year.

As always thanks for your thoughts and the links to this stuff. Keeps me thinking of more things to do.

[Scotttheking]

Oh, a workstation. Here's the basics of what I was planning to put in my workstation before it got scrapped:

Mobo:
If right now, Iwill DK8N. No contest.

If waiting for PCIe boards, it's a tossup between the Iwill DK8EW and the as yet unnamed Tyan S2895 board.

Pair that with opterons, a geforce 6800GT or so, and it's a pretty nice system.
I wish I was still able to get one.

I'd highly recommend not going with an Athlon MP/XP setup. It's EOL and has been for a while. You could get pretty good performance out of a faster single athlon 64.

[The Raven]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
What'd you end up getting? I came back with a 120GB HD, but that's for my Tivo.

I bought 4 of the 120GB drives putting a Raid 5 in our mirror door G4.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by The Raven:
I bought 4 of the 120GB drives putting a Raid 5 in our mirror door G4.

Nice. CompUSA was selling 400GB Seagate drives for $200 AR, and I managed to snag two. I'll find a use for them, somewhere. Too bad they don't crunch. Ahh well, I'm gaining on you again. Not for long though. I'm going to sell my G4 and G3 towers. Since I don't live at home anymore, there's no point to them. Can't justify them just to crunch.

[Scotttheking]

22K more to hit Raven, and I'm down a machine right now.

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
22K more to hit Raven, and I'm down a machine right now.

Scratch that.

[The Raven]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
22K more to hit Raven, and I'm down a machine right now.

I will have a new box up next week that should hold you off a little longer.

Is there a listing somewhere estimating a CPU's ppd

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by The Raven:
I will have a new box up next week that should hold you off a little longer.

Is there a listing somewhere estimating a CPU's ppd

My power will drop significantly over the next week, me thinks.
Tell me the CPU and I can probably give a decent approximation.

[OneMacGuy]

Originally posted by The Raven:
I will have a new box up next week that should hold you off a little longer.

Is there a listing somewhere estimating a CPU's ppd

The ppd will vary wildly depending upon what kind of work unit you get. I run a little program that monitors all of my farm boxes production called "FAH LogStats". It can be downloaded here:

http://fahstats.sourceforge.net/mt/

It will give you an excellent ppd/ppw estimate for the type of wu you are running right then on each box. If you set up each boxes folding directory as a share point you can monitor them all from one windoze box.

Athlon 64s do really well on tinkers. Sometimes an XP3000 can approach 200-225 ppd. P4's do really similarly well on Gromacs units. They all do pretty well on the new 300 - 600 point gromac units though. My old dual G4 got my first 600 point work unit a week ago and is only half through with it now. Overall I would take an Athlon 64, one with the 1 MB backside cache, they are my best crunchers!

PS: Stay away from the celerons, the price per megahertz looks good, but boy do they suck!

[The Raven]

What I was trying to find is will that produce more a Athlon 64 3400 or the P4 3.2 with HT.
looks like on
Dgromacs the P4 might be better
Tinker the athlon is better
Gromacs ??

[OneMacGuy]

Originally posted by The Raven:
What I was trying to find is will that produce more a Athlon 64 3400 or the P4 3.2 with HT.
looks like on
Dgromacs the P4 might be better
Tinker the athlon is better
Gromacs ??

Seems like mostly I am getting large Gromacs units lately. Just a couple of weeks ago I was getting mostly large tinker units. Go figure!

Overall I would still choose the Athlon 64, it is more overclockable and at least has the potential of running a 64 bit OS next year. I won't build anymore P4's since I built those last two Athlon 64 systems, they are hot!!!

[The Raven]

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
Seems like mostly I am getting large Gromacs units lately. Just a couple of weeks ago I was getting mostly large tinker units. Go figure!

Overall I would still choose the Athlon 64, it is more overclockable and at least has the potential of running a 64 bit OS next year. I won't build anymore P4's since I built those last two Athlon 64 systems, they are hot!!!

Thanks for the info.
It will be a P4 3.2
I am building it for a friend, he wanted to go with Intel
In return I get a 24/7 folder