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Jul 23, 2008, 12:53 AM
 
Looks like Mac's that are not running the optimized app are unable to get work right now due to a bug in the code. They are getting a "Seti@hom Enhanced is not available for your type" error message when contacting the server.
     
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Jul 23, 2008, 12:08 PM
 
arkayn,

I have 2 G4 10.5.4 Laptops and 1 Intel 10.5.4 Hackitosh Running SETI optimized and have just checked the logs and I am getting work just fine today on all 3. Could it have been a connection problem at SETI?
     
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Jul 23, 2008, 12:13 PM
 
Those of us running the optimized app have no problem, it is the ones running the standard app that cannot get work.
     
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Jul 23, 2008, 12:42 PM
 
Sorry, I did not read the NOT in your post.

I guess there are more reasons to run optimized than just the better performance then.
     
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Jul 23, 2008, 01:00 PM
 
I have already gotten 2 people over at SETI up and running with the optimized apps now.
     
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Jul 23, 2008, 02:08 PM
 
If you are running the real client you get automatic app updates, so I wonder if they pushed a buggy version recently. Optimized, obviously, overrides this.
     
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Jul 23, 2008, 05:21 PM
 
I installed the optimized apps and ran the installer, but I'm still not running. Is there a step-by step guide for idiots?
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Jul 23, 2008, 05:28 PM
 
Maybe if I installed the optimized apps in the correct folder it would produce better results.
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Aug 12, 2008, 11:52 PM
 
Sorry about the long silence. I've had sick cats and work has been nuts.

RAC is still down (presently 621.10).

I upgraded the ram from 3.5 gigs to 6, we'll see if that has
any effect at all (maybe I should run it out of a ramdisk).

Weirdly, it looks like Seti still has yet to calculate credit for
work units on this computer dating back to the 12th of July.

No idea why that is happening.
     
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Aug 13, 2008, 12:30 AM
 
I'm running Boinc Manager 5.5.0 as well as the Alex optimized client but am getting this nonsense:

"No Work From Project, deferring scheduler requests for 1 hr, 45 minutes and so and so seconds".

Looks like my recent RAC peaked at 838 something on July 17th and it's dropped ever since,
it got as low as 569 on August 8th and raised slightly since then.

It is giving me "found app_info.xml: using anonymous platform" as was indicated was one
sign Alex's app was going, as well as "using setiathome_enhanced_version 527".
     
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Aug 13, 2008, 12:54 AM
 
They had server problems over the weekend and are trying to clear all those WUs we have returned after it was back online, then after the disk space is cleared they can make new WUs to crunch. The uploaders were not working right for 2 or more days, so it is all backed up. New WUs are going out, but it's the luck of when you connect and if they have some when you do. I finally got some on a couple of machines, but not all.

As for not calculating credit, you may be waiting on someone else to return the same WUs back. That would be the only reason for that, well other than a technical issue.

I have been seeing a lot of small WUs. Statistically they should boost ones RAC, but then there is the lag time in switching WUs that may factor in there too. Not sure.
     
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Aug 13, 2008, 12:58 AM
 
Originally Posted by Todd Madson View Post
I'm running Boinc Manager 5.5.0 as well as the Alex optimized client but am getting this nonsense:
I just upgraded to 6.2.15 Friday and it is good. At first I thought it was the problem with the uploads until I read the SETI technical forum. It's fine now.
Originally Posted by Todd Madson View Post
It is giving me "found app_info.xml: using anonymous platform" as was indicated was one
sign Alex's app was going, as well as "using setiathome_enhanced_version 527".
This is right. You won't get Autopulse, but they have no optimized app for that yet anyway and it's long one to run.
     
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Aug 13, 2008, 02:06 PM
 
They just added a preference on the site to select whether you want to crunch Astropulse or Multibeam or both.
     
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Aug 14, 2008, 11:44 AM
 
Some interesting things I've noticed:

I've watched my G5 and it usually has 2 work units in the tasks window
with 10-20 minutes to complete on each.

They finish and it then uploads and then it seems to sit there for ages
waiting for more work units to work on with no work to work on.

I run temperature monitor so I can tell just by when the temperatures
on the processors are low when the machine is working on work units
and when it is not, it seems to sit idle for long periods.

My Vista laptop on the other hand probably at least 100 work units queued
up and waiting at any given time while two are being crunched.

I realize the C2D chips are more efficient but I get the idea the problem is
I've got a machine that could be working on more work but isn't doing so.

I realize they had a server outage last weekend but I think I'll update the
boinc app at home to see if this helps.

It's almost like there's a "built in waiting module" for this app now on the
PPC side.
     
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Aug 14, 2008, 12:24 PM
 
Check the messages tab, it will probably say that it is requesting work but not receiving any. The work just started flowing last night after the weekend crash.
     
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Aug 16, 2008, 12:36 PM
 
Problem fixed. Apparently in the last version of the software it would only work on two work
units at a time, upload them then sit there for hours until it decided it wanted to work on
some more work.

I downloaded 6.2.15 just a few minutes ago and now I've got a PLETHORA of work units to
crunch on so I think it fixed the problem.

What a weird deal - the computer was just sitting there waiting most of the time.

Checking temperature monitors' graphs this thing was idle most of yesterday.
     
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Aug 17, 2008, 11:30 PM
 
SETI@ Home has not been right all week, since the problem last weekend. New WU have been trickling out and getting them have a luck of the draw (if you connect and they have some from the splitter you get them, otherwise not). Also, you have a lot more control with the new Boinc apps. I had set up preferences individually on each machine and just changed them all with the web site settings and that was nice that it overwrote them on all clients.

Hopefully they get their stuff together after Matt (at Berkley) gets back. He has been on vacation since this started.
     
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Aug 26, 2008, 11:47 AM
 
Looks like there has been a big drop in credits granted for Seti work starting about 2 months ago.

http://www.allprojectstats.com/prgr....jekt=15&type=8

http://www.allprojectstats.com/prgr....jekt=15&type=5
     
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Aug 26, 2008, 08:01 PM
 
I am down about 1100 RAC since they implemented the change. 4200-----3100
     
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Aug 27, 2008, 05:48 AM
 
This adjustment in credit is slightly more than 15% or is it just me.

I was tinkering with number last night and it works out to be between 24% and 28% depending on the units.
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Aug 27, 2008, 09:57 AM
 
25% is what I've seen, too. I was usually over 3100 and now I struggle to get over 2300.

1 - (2300 ÷ 3100) = 25.8%
     
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Aug 27, 2008, 01:01 PM
 
Of course I still have 2 AP units in the pending pile, but I am looking at 26% as well.
     
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Aug 27, 2008, 05:47 PM
 
In the end, they'll just continually reduce MB till it equals Ap. The one thing I have noticed in the two years i've been crunching, is the guys never move things up to correct them, they are always moved down.
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Originally Posted by Gareth Johnston View Post
In the end, they'll just continually reduce MB till it equals Ap. The one thing I have noticed in the two years i've been crunching, is the guys never move things up to correct them, they are always moved down.
The downward adjustments have never made sense to me. Over at S@H's Number Crunching forum, I've heard for years people saying other projects are "over-paying credits, primarily to draw crunchers to their projects." The S@H team justifies their credit adjustments by saying they are "trying to level the playing field with other projects." How can it be that the other projects give out more credit per CPU hour but S@H need to reduce credits per hour to "be more equal?"
     
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Aug 28, 2008, 05:47 PM
 
Who knows, they have been claiming that since MB was introduced, we've been getting 15% more than we should. Yet I noticed since I cam back at the beginning of the August, credit is down about 25% per hour. It's all really just a load of rubbish.

Ap is just a joke.
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Aug 28, 2008, 07:22 PM
 
You may misunderstand what they mean by "level the playing field". They may not be referring to credit parity, but crunching parity, i.e., that the other projects get as many cpu hours working on their processes as SETI does. That means SETI has to reduce credits, causing crunchers to leave for other projects.
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Aug 28, 2008, 09:50 PM
 
Based on the contexts that I've seen it in, "leveling the playing field" has meant credit parity.
     
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Aug 29, 2008, 04:54 AM
 
Gorbag, when the claim parity, they mean reducing the credit multiplier used.

It has nothing to do with the number of hours crunched on Seti. That would be stupid and would result in everyone leaving.
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Aug 29, 2008, 12:30 PM
 
My question is: do we need to do anything special to get Alex's client
crunching Astropulse units?
     
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Aug 29, 2008, 02:48 PM
 
Alex's app will not crunch Astropulse from what I understand. Astropulse has it's own app. "astropulse_4.35_i686-apple-darwin" A new Optimized client will need to be developed for it. It would reside side-by-side with the SETI app. Almost like running another project, but within the same project.
     
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Aug 29, 2008, 08:37 PM
 
You will need the files in this package.

http://www.arkayn.us/mf/APfiles.zip

You might have to edit the app_info.xml file depending on what computer you are running.
     
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Aug 30, 2008, 02:22 AM
 
arkayn,

Have you seen if they have released source yet? I am no programmer, but I would be interested in seeing if there are changes Alex made to SETI that could be moved over to AP. Might make ti worth trying. RIght now it does not sound to attractive to try out.

I just saw the Astropulse page with files that did not include those you posted (Windows and Linux). Were these part of some other link page?
     
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Aug 30, 2008, 08:38 AM
 
http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/SETI%40ho...lications.html

Dotsch did all the Unix conversions, but they have not been made officially part of the project yet.

There are still some bugs to be worked out on the AP app for Mac.
     
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Aug 31, 2008, 01:46 PM
 
I found the actual source. You open a terminal window and then "cd" to a directrory you want to download the files to. The enter this command:

svn checkout https://setisvn.ssl.berkeley.edu/svn/astropulse

It will tell you the certificate is not from a known source and you have to enter if you want to:
(R)eject, accept (t)emporarily or accept (p)ermanently?

Type t or p based on your preferences and it will download the source to the directory you "cd"ed to.

I haven't looked at it yet, and likely wont know all I am looking at but gotta try right.
     
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Sounds like you have to have Subversion installed as well from the command that you entered.
     
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I just opened a Terminal on 10.5.4 and it did it. I also have the Developer Tools installed so that may be how subversion got installed.

Still, after looking at it I still know nothing. UnZIPed "ap_mac.tar.gz" in the clients Dir and it made a astropulse.pbproj file. Rename that to astropulse.xcode and the new xcode will import it. In Xcode a lot of files are in red (not found) and I don't know enough to do anything but muck it up. If someone wants the Autopulse source I could zip it up and post it.
     
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Sep 11, 2008, 01:47 PM
 
With a blazing new machine, I wasn't sure which optimized client to use...
Mac Pro 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon

Will this version of Alex's do me any good?
http://tbp.berkeley.edu/~alexkan/set...nographics.zip
Or should I stick with the standard client (which says i686)
     
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Originally Posted by owlsoup View Post
With a blazing new machine, I wasn't sure which optimized client to use...
Mac Pro 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon

Will this version of Alex's do me any good?
http://tbp.berkeley.edu/~alexkan/set...nographics.zip
Or should I stick with the standard client (which says i686)
That's exactly the right application. I use it for several months already and it gives an appr. 30% boost.
     
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Sep 11, 2008, 03:20 PM
 
I would use the one you linked to. That would put you around 7500 to 10000 credits a day with a 2.8 GHz dual Quad Core MacPro on all 8 cores. With a newer faster model it would be faster. The default app would likely be a third to quarter of that or worse. Alex's clients are simply incredible and stock does not compare.
     
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Originally Posted by BTBlomberg View Post
Alex's clients are simply incredible and stock does not compare.
Agreed.

And, it caused all theat envy amoung the Win crowd that, a few months ago, several coders collaborated to port Alex's code changes to the Win application. Nothing but accolades for Alex and those responsible for the port (porters?)

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Sep 12, 2008, 01:14 PM
 
Gulliver, when I was running mine 24/7, same machine, it got 10,800 as it's highest RAC. If you now factor in the recent reduction in multiplier, you'd probably average just over 9,000 RAC. Just be warned, it increase's the energy consumption by a significant margin.
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yeah, 2 chips at 80 W to 120 W can suck down the power when you are crunching full time. Also generates some heat. If you are using it at home you can likely turn down the thermostat this winter and heat a couple rooms with your Mac.
     
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Hi folks! Long time!

I have a question about the alexkan v8 PPC apps. They were posted to his site on 07 Oct 2007. Compare that to the stock app, which SETI put up on 21 Aug 2008. Is the v8 PPC app out of date? Will it still work? Is the v8 app still faster?

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zombie67,

Yes Alex's clients still work just fine and are faster than the stock client. There may be some new edits to the code that are not there, but this does not effect the results. As a matter of fact within the last 6 months they were ported to Windows and Linux from the Intel version. v8 is still fastest client around.
     
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The only difference between 5.28 and 6.03 is the fact that they separated the crunching and graphics into different apps, otherwise there is no difference at all.
     
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Got it. Thanks!
     
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Nov 7, 2008, 10:51 AM
 
Has Ale vanished, I thought he may have released a SSE4.1 App by now. Maybe someday in the future if he ever gets any spare time.
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I think the Xeon app does have SSE4.1, as that is what Lunatics based theirs off of.
     
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I think JD and Jason added the SSE4.1 into the new app, would be nice for Alx to hime in and confirm if we do have or don't have the SSE4.1 instructions set utilised.
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Arkayn,

We have only got SSSE3 in the Xeon App, I just looks in the results rubbish produced by the Mac results.

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