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Scotttheking · Jan 22, 2002, 02:22 AM

Looking at the ubero stats, us, free-dc, ars technica are pretty close to each other in daily production. After seeing how well everyone responded to the RC5 race, I was wondering what you all think of a three way production race between us and those two teams.

Comments, ideas, suggestions?

What do you all think?

Cellery · Jan 22, 2002, 03:10 AM

I was looking for more info on Ubero to try and persuade my boss to let me use some of the machines at work after hours to do some DC work. I came across this posting on the Yahoo eGroup.

The UCI project is just to test our platform and allow you to compete with
your stats. The results you send us are not being used. We are looking for
other projects that will be of benefit to research, only that it performs
genetic matching algorithms

I'm kinda bummed that all the crunching isn't going to any good use, but on the topic of the original post, I'd be up for a production race. My personal machines aren't going to make much difference, gotta convice the boss of Ubero's viability. Sorry if it's old news / common knowledge, but a couple of people I recruited for Ubero didn't know from reading the website alone. They ended up doing RC5 instead.

[ 01-22-2002: Message edited by: Cellery ]

legacyb4 · Jan 22, 2002, 07:40 AM

Say it isn't so!

Sheesh, if we are just crunching empty units, maybe SETI *would* be a better pursuit... after all, someone out there has to be trying to find us!!!

Cheers.

Originally posted by Cellery:
I was looking for more info on Ubero to try and persuade my boss to let me use some of the machines at work after hours to do some DC work. I came across this posting on the Yahoo eGroup.

I'm kinda bummed that all the crunching isn't going to any good use, but on the topic of the original post, I'd be up for a production race. My personal machines aren't going to make much difference, gotta convice the boss of Ubero's viability. Sorry if it's old news / common knowledge, but a couple of people I recruited for Ubero didn't know from reading the website alone. They ended up doing RC5 instead.

[ 01-22-2002: Message edited by: Cellery ]

[APi]TheMan · Jan 22, 2002, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by legacyb4:
Say it isn't so!

Sheesh, if we are just crunching empty units, maybe SETI *would* be a better pursuit... after all, someone out there has to be trying to find us!!!

Oh geez, that's horrible! Maybe we should run SETI instead, then at least I could run it on more machines. That sucks, but I'd be willing to do it. I don't want my CPU time being wasted.

edit: I could run it on more non-MacOSX machines...

[ 01-22-2002: Message edited by: [APi]TheMan ]

cdhostage · Jan 22, 2002, 10:43 AM

We shou,ld probably keep a race to one project at a time. Makes record keeping cleaner.

Like, challenge the #4 Ubero team to a race for a month.,

doggkruse · Jan 22, 2002, 10:51 AM

We should challenge them just because we can win. We out number the top two teams combined. Its time to show what our stylish computers can do.

Scotttheking · Jan 22, 2002, 11:33 AM

Yes, ubero is not using the data right now.
They are testing their setup. One way to do that is to take already crunched data and run it again, and make sure the #s match.
They are trying to get a project to do right now. The neat thing about it is that there will be multiple projects within ubero at some point.

If you want to get technical, none of the projects really do anything useful right now. SETI sends the same data out to many different comps since they don't have enough data, and rc5 is trying to crack an encryption scheme that hasn't even been used for a while now.

It's all about the stats right now, proving that our team can beat other teams. Ubero is still very young. Given time, it will become something much more useful. They need us all crunching so they can go to a potential customer and show them that they have X amount of processing power that the customer can use.

About the race

If you guys want to do it, we'd do a 3 way race. There is no point in challenging the 4th team, as they are far behind.
The top 3 teams far outclass every other team there is

If there is interest I'll ask the heads of the other two teams.

My thoughts are that we'd do a 1-2 month production race. Other thoughts?

[APi]TheMan · Jan 22, 2002, 03:26 PM

I agree with you, Scott. It just took you posting that in fact all the distributed computing efforts are fairly pointless right now.

I am fully ready to crush these Ars Technica and Free DC guys, but it really bugs me how we have so many members, yet we still aren't beating these guys. It makes our Macs look bad. Members, if you've joined the team, put some numbers up! If we can't match their daily production rates, and we have over twice as many member/agents, that looks bad for us and our computers. Run your clients, guys!

Thanks.

reader50 · Jan 22, 2002, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
... SETI sends the same data out to many different comps since they don't have enough data, ...

SETI@home has sufficient blocks for everyone, there is no shortage there. They expanded their sampling spectrum several months back to insure sufficient blocks, this was noted in our Seti News. It is true that each block is sent out to at least two people, but that is a check in order to catch cheaters. And yes, there have been cheaters with hacked clients who simply return units right away with "no results". Instant stats.

It is true that with current radio telescopes, SETI@home has a so-so chance of detecting a civilization at our own technical level out to about 30 light years. This is for detecting unintentional messages, like domestic TV transmissions. A more advanced civilization may be detectable with current methods out to a much greater distance though. An intentional signal would definitely be detected out to enormous distances.

kkneisley · Jan 22, 2002, 11:10 PM

I'm game. Hell, I might as well seeing that I am in the top 10 of TeamNN!

But to win folks, we need to get rid of those zeros!

Scotttheking · Jan 23, 2002, 12:45 AM

Cmon.
They smashed us today.
Lets go guys, get more power, and tweak everything you've got.
We have to pass them.

I'm thinking I'll ask for the race to start in March and run for a month or so.
Ideas?

SkiBikeSki · Jan 23, 2002, 01:34 AM

What was that you said about the IBM JDK, and how do I go about getting it? It might be that our machines have slower MHz ratings, but the Mac user is far more savy than the PC user.

Scotttheking · Jan 23, 2002, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by SkiBikeSki:
What was that you said about the IBM JDK, and how do I go about getting it? It might be that our machines have slower MHz ratings, but the Mac user is far more savy than the PC user.

On the PC java is installed as a plugin.
On the Mac it's built in. So no putting on different JREs.

Can someone post the instructions for the IBM one for people's PCs?
I'll be busy for a few days.

--Scott

cdhostage · Jan 23, 2002, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
Cmon.
They smashed us today.
Lets go guys, get more power, and tweak everything you've got.
We have to pass them.

I'm thinking I'll ask for the race to start in March and run for a month or so.
Ideas?

I'm up for a race, although I can't contribute much. Oh yeah I just started Ubero yesterdaay on the memory tweak and i'm getting roughl twice the units! Cool!

legacyb4 · Jan 23, 2002, 05:52 PM

Here's a quick repeat of what's posted around in various threads for the maximum speed tweaks:

MAC USERS:
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Originally posted by doggkruse:
cd /Applications/Ubero
java -Xms300m -Xmx300m -XX:NewSize=100m -XX:MaxNewSize=100m -cp Agent.jar ubero.agent.Agent -text
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MAC USERS WITH PC CRUNCHERS:

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(courtesy of Team Chili)

cd \progra~1\ubero

[show console window]
start /low c

progra~1\ibm\java13\jre\bin\java -showversion -cp Agent.jar ubero.agent.Agent -text

[hide console window (thanks, doggkruse)]
start /low c

progra~1\ibm\java13\jre\bin\javaw -showversion -cp Agent.jar ubero.agent.Agent -text

Note that the PC tweak involves registering for IBM's JDK and replacing the Sun JDK as the system Java environment. The above tweak runs from the command line which must be left open...

If you have the PC's to spare, even P3/500 or C/533 level computers will crunch through a lot of units very quickly (my C/533 machine is almost doubling output over the G4/400...) enough so that I've put my G4/500DP back on RC5 duty instead of Ubero!

My stats for comparison

Cheers.

Originally posted by Scotttheking:


On the PC java is installed as a plugin.
On the Mac it's built in. So no putting on different JREs.

Can someone post the instructions for the IBM one for people's PCs?
I'll be busy for a few days.

--Scott

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Jan 23, 2002, 06:55 PM

In order to get the console window to go away under windows, start the agent by typing javaw -cp Agent.jar ubero.agent.Agent -text instead of java -cp Agent.jar ubero.agent.Agent -text. i.e type javaw instead of java. Very simple trick I learned from the Ubero people while beta testing 0.7 beta 5. People were wondering how to make the console go away in windows in another thread but I post the answer here Because I am too lazy to go find it.
Geoff