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Shaktai · Jul 4, 2002, 11:19 PM

Good Evening All,

I just wanted to take a moment to introduce two new projects to you that have just today (July 4th, 2002) released new Clients for Mac OS-X, Linux and Solaris (they used to be Windows only). I have three motivations for doing this.

1. There are no active Mac teams currently in either project.
2. They are worthwhile projects still in their relative infancy, with a good opportunity for a strong team to take the lead and hold it.
3. It has been downright boring here recently, so I thought that I and Team Eagles would Challenge Team MacNN to beat us to a top ten ranking in either one of the following two projects of your choice. (Hmm! Come to think of it, I "am" Team Eagles - so that means my 5+ boxes against all of you - you get to pick the arena).

What is good about these projects? Well You will have to read on and check the links to their websites. However I will say that the projects have excellent stable clients. They work extremely well for either dedicated connections or no-netting. They have good stats that are updated frequently, and an attentive staff whose only shortcoming is they take weekends off. The way the client queue's work units, you can select from 20 to 100 work units to be que'd, and if the servers do go down, you will (depending on your computers speed) have from 1 to several days of work to continue working on in queue. There is no time limit on the work units. And last but not least, they directly benefit humanity.

These are both drug docking projects attempting to find drug cures / treatments for Tuberous Sclerosis Complex or drugs to combat bioterrism such as Ebola, Anthrax and Smallpox. Read their websites if you want to know more.

Below are some numbers on both projects, Where Team Eagles currently stands (overall and weekly production), and the top ten teams in each project, so you can see who the competition is.

If you accept my challenge, stop by the "very quiet" Team Eagles forums and let me know.
<a href="http://www.eagles-nest.org/teameagle/phpBB2/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.eagles-nest.org/teameagle/phpBB2/index.php</a> Keep in mind, I am a one man band, so I can only take you on in one project. Choose your weapon. Majority rules and the vote takes place in the Team Eagles Feeback thread listed below.

You have 4 days to vote. The actual ballot thread is:
<a href="http://www.eagles-nest.org/teameagle/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20" target="_blank">http://www.eagles-nest.org/teameagle/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20</a> , but feel free to stop by the project threads or the coffee house, to return your challenges or taunts as well. However only votes in the poll count. Opportunity awaits. To the eager goes victory, to the hesitant, nothing.

The battle will begin at 12:01 AM (1 minute after midnight Eastern time) on July 9, 2002] in the arena with the most votes.

PROJECT DATA
Rothberg Institute - TSC (Tuberous Sclerosis Complex) -- The Rosetta Stone for many cancers.
<a href="http://www.childhooddiseases.org/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.childhooddiseases.org/index.html</a>
Team Eagles: #30 out of 69 teams overall -- current score=1,473
#8 in Weekly production

TOP TEN TEAMS for TSC
1 Team Discovery: 285,977
2 DPRGI for Children: 120,894
3 TSC@Hope: 110,874
4 Rechenkraft.net - Ge...: 96,553
5 FINLAND for Children: 62,132
6 UDGermany @ TSC: 19,655
7 AIRSD Italia for Chi...: 18,133
8 Poland: 12,400
9 TSTalkers: 11,691
10 Free-DC: 11,633

SENGENT D2OL -- Fighting BioTerrorism (Ebola, Anthrax, Smallpox)
<a href="http://www.d2ol.com/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.d2ol.com/index.html</a>
Team Eagles #64 out of 162 teams --Score=1,872
#20 in weekly production

TOP TEN TEAMS
1 BIOHazard Research Group: 263,199
2 Ars Technica Team Frozen Yogurt: 217,366
3 Dutch Power Cows : 174,600
4 Team USA: 100,738
5 Rechenkraft.net, Germany: 88,897
6 hardCOREware: 67,479
7 [M.A.D.] Community: 56,473
8 The Old Republic: 42,336
9 Team Picard: 38,465
10 Free-DC: 34,499

[ 07-07-2002, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Shaktai ]

Shaktai · Jul 4, 2002, 11:47 PM

Oh, and just so you know what to expect out of your boxes, here are some preliminary 24 hr benchmarks for TSC.

iBook 600 - 24
Power Mac 800 - 42.2
Athlon 1900 with DDR Ram 66
Athlon 1900 with SDRam - 60
Celeron 1.3 ghz - 35

The Athlon's have posted better numbers on D2OL, but I have just started testing the Macs on D2OL because today is the first day they have had a Mac Client. (TSC and D2OL use identical clients, but different targets)

UPDATE - Macs on D2OL
iBook 600 - 28
Power Mac 800 - 48

Okay, now I am confused. I can't figure out why the Power Mac numbers are so much better than the iBooks on two different tests. Likewise, megahertz for megahertz, the Power Mac Tower is also faster than my Athlon 1900's. Even the most favorable Athlon test gives it only 75-76 per day. However a dual Power Mac 800 should be able to do 96 per day. I am trying to get some new Athlon and Mac numbers to be sure, but for some reason my Power Mac G4 tower, seems to excell at D2OL and TSC. I really wish someone else would get some Mac numbers on this as well. It would be nice to see some Linux box numbers too. To the best of my knowledge, there are no Altivec enhancements, so the only thing I can figure is that Win XP may be the problem.

[ 07-06-2002, 04:49 AM: Message edited by: Shaktai ]

mikkyo · Jul 7, 2002, 05:34 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shaktai:
Okay, now I am confused. I can't figure out why the Power Mac numbers are so much better than the iBooks on two different tests. Likewise, megahertz for megahertz, the Power Mac Tower is also faster than my Athlon 1900's. Even the most favorable Athlon test gives it only 75-76 per day. However a dual Power Mac 800 should be able to do 96 per day. <hr /></blockquote>LOL
Maybe this is why...
localhost> ls /Applications/SengentD2OL.app/Contents/MacOS/lib/jmol

COPYRIGHT.txt* cml.jar* jmol.jar* vecmath1.1-1.12.jar*

I bet the vecmath jar is the answer...it must use altivec on G4s :-)

Shaktai · Jul 7, 2002, 12:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mikkyo:
[QBLOL
Maybe this is why...
localhost> ls /Applications/SengentD2OL.app/Contents/MacOS/lib/jmol

COPYRIGHT.txt* cml.jar* jmol.jar* vecmath1.1-1.12.jar*

I bet the vecmath jar is the answer...it must use altivec on G4s :-)[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Good catch. Maybe this is a good project for G4's. I have been redoing my benchmarks, and hope to have them more refined by tonight. Just want to make certain it wasn't just a random fluke due to the work units received.

UPDATE: No Fluke! Power Mac G4's excell at D2OL and TSC
Power Mac 800 single CPU, 256k L2 cache, No L3 cache --- 48.9 per day
Athlon 1900, SDRAM 256k L2 cache, 133 FSB -- 64.7 per day
Athlon 1900, DDRAM 256k L2 cache, 266 FSB -- 66.0 per day

My Power Mac 800 is consistently 50% faster than my iBook 600
My Celeron 1.3 ghz is faster than my iBook, but slower than my PowerMac 800.

Athlon 1900 is 1.6 ghz. A dual 800 mhz Mac with L3 cache should easily do 97.8 units per day average. A dual 1 gig should do at least 117 per day.

The best average of any Windows computer to date in D2OL is 107 per day type unknown, #2 is 102. There are 768 "active" computers on the project

In TSC it is 138 per day, type unknown, but probably not a normal desktop #2 is 75.8. There are 1005 "active" computers on the project.

I suspect that either the Mac Java has some altivec enhancements as pointed out by mikkyo, or the Mac has a better overall Java implementation.

I will have an Athlon XP 2200+ on-line next week and will benchmark it as well. (DDRam 2700 and 333 bus)

All computers are 256 mb of RAM except the PowerMac which has 512 mb.

[ 07-07-2002, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: Shaktai ]

Arkham_c · Jul 7, 2002, 10:41 PM

Oooh, a java archive with vector math... I may have to go grab that for my own uses...