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Shaktai · Jul 16, 2002, 01:33 AM

Well, I had been hoping that Team MacNN would be the first Mac team in either D2OL or TSC projects. Unfortunately Mac OS-X is now the official first Mac team (all 1 members).

These projects are both young, and growing. If MacNN is looking for another place where they can dominate, other than Ubero, I would recommend one of these 2 projects. mikkyo, jbcool and Mac4Evan have all crunched a little over there, if they combined into a MacNN team, just with their current production, they would start out at 106 of 166 teams. A dozen strong Linux or OS-X boxes would quickly propell MacNN into the tops in daily production. More than that would be icing on the cake.

With the release of the Mac Clients, this is an opportunity to increase overall membership for the Team and bring in fresh blood if you want it. (competing with Team Eagles of course) Just get over there and be visible. Be the first strong Mac Team, and it will not be long before you would be at the top. Just pick one of the two projects, and focus on it.

My team, Team Eagles is not Mac Centric, but with only two active members and 7 computers, we are already in the #32 position overall and have ranked in the top 5 for daily production for 3 days running, even ahead of Teams such as Ars Technica Team Frozen Yogurt, Free-DC and OCS UK.

These two projects love Mac OS-X and Linux. Some 7 day benchmarks are below: APD is the Average candidates Per Day.

Power PC G3 600mhz, 256 mb SDRam, 100mhz FSB, 256k L2 cache
-Mac OS-X 10.1.5
APD = 22.43

Power PC G4 800mhz, 512 mb SDRam, 133 mhz FSB, 256k L2 cache
-Mac OS-X 10.1.5
APD = 40.7

Athlon 1.6 ghz, 256 mb DDRam, 266 FSB, 256k L2 cache
- Windows XP
APD = 55

Athlon 1.6 ghz, 256 mb SDram, 133 mhz FSB, 256k L2 cache
- Linux Mandrake 8.2
- APD = 87.6

Celeron 1.3 ghz, 256 mb SDram, 100 mhz FSB, 256k L2 cache
- Windows XP
- APD = 37.8

Celeron 1.3 ghz, 256 mb SDRam, 100 mhz FSB, 256k L2 cache
- Linux Mandrake 8.2
- APD = 69 (18 hours only)

PIII 800mhz, 256 mb SDRam, 133mhz FSB, 256 L2 cache
- Windows ??
- APD = 22.7

Come on over and if you choose D2OL, you can even have the honor of knocking Team Eagles down a notch. These projects are made for Mac OS-X and Linux, but currently dominated by Windows.

You can even cache work units (up to 100) and no-net on them if you want. Machine speed doesn't matter, as long as you can run OS-X.

<a href="http://www.childhooddiseases.org" target="_blank">TSC - Tuberous Sclerosis Complex (the cancer Rosetta Stone)</a>
<a href="http://www.d2ol.com" target="_blank">D2OL - Battle bioterrorism and find cures/treatments for ebola, anthrax, small pox and more. </a>

Just trying to look out for my former team. Even if it means getting my own team knocked down a little. Hey after all, I still prefer Macs.

PS: On Team Eagles, I am known as Eaglechild and have ranked in the top 5 for overall individual production for for 2 days running as well, thanks to converting from Windows XP to Linux on my PC's.

Scotttheking · Jul 16, 2002, 01:43 AM

The reason we aren't participating in other teams is because right now Team MacNN is spread too thin.
If you check out the main team page, you will see a lot more red then green. We just don't have any power to move over to any other projects, even if those projects are small.

At this point DC projects are becoming commodities, and we need to choose what we participate in. Team MacNN is restricting itself to 5 in the hopes that it can do well in all of them. As it stands, we are about to slip out of the top 50 in SETI, and we need a LOT more power to make up for that slipping.

Reader50 and I also do not have the time to make all new pages and stats for more projects, as reader50 is in the middle of a major stats recode, and I'm busy with real life.

I thank you for posting the info, but at this time we just can't participate in anything else. Part of keeping this team strong is not spreading it out too much. While we have no problem with members going and visiting another project that they like, or even creating a Team MacNN team, we will not be able to support it with official stats and instructions pages.

--Scott

[ 07-16-2002, 02:49 AM: Message edited by: Scotttheking ]

reader50 · Jul 16, 2002, 02:03 AM

Speaking for myself, I have no objection to supporting whatever projects our members get interested in.

However, I can't do any new projects just now for two reasons:
<ol type="1">[*]I'm in the middle of a full stats code rewrite, with good results so far. More code work pending though.</li>[*]... no other team members have expressed interest or requested support.
</li>[/list=a]

[ 07-16-2002, 03:10 AM: Message edited by: reader50 ]

jbcool · Jul 16, 2002, 04:36 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Scotttheking:


I thank you for posting the info, but at this time we just can't participate in anything else. Part of keeping this team strong is not spreading it out too much. While we have no problem with members going and visiting another project that they like, or even creating a Team MacNN team, we will not be able to support it with official stats and instructions pages.

--Scott<hr /></blockquote>Scott,
I thought about starting a team macnn at D2OL but I thought that it would be better if you or reader50 where the ones that started it. As all I have time for is crunching to help. That way you guys would be the team leaders even if you did not crunch. I don't think that there is a need to have it supported with stats and web pages. Just a few of us that will keep the name TeamMacNN active there also.

Just my two cents which is half priced today.

jarling · Jul 16, 2002, 07:23 PM

I think it would be a great idea to get involved in those projects. They dont need stats pages or anything fancy on this end, but it would be good for getting our name out there. Plus, it prevents cyber-squatters from taking the Team MacNN name. I forget which Mac team it was, but when folding@home came out, there seemed to be a number of team macaddicts, or some such group. I just think its good to strike early, save a space, and give people the option of seeing whats involved in that project if they so desire.

Jul 18, 2002, 02:12 PM

I for one like both of these as they look to be crunching for something usefull. If somebody starts a team on one of these you've got my g4 533, and ibook 500

Jul 18, 2002, 03:21 PM

I started a team called Team Mac for the DOL client. I hope to make a small page for it soon. Any more questions can be emailed to kaltsasa@uwplatt.edu

reader50 · Jul 18, 2002, 07:14 PM

I'll start a Team MacNN on each project sometime tonight. Makes sense to beat the cybersquatters.

Sorry guys for the slow response, just busy in the real world this week.

Scotttheking · Jul 18, 2002, 08:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by <macdude22>:
I started a team called Team Mac for the DOL client. I hope to make a small page for it soon. Any more questions can be emailed to kaltsasa@uwplatt.edu<hr /></blockquote>You might want to change it to Team MacNN

jbcool · Jul 18, 2002, 08:13 PM

Thanks Reader50 and Scotttheking.

Scotttheking · Jul 18, 2002, 08:30 PM

I still don't agree with creating more teams though.
We don't have enough power as it is.
I'll reverse this statement when I see about 500GHz added to the team

jarling · Jul 18, 2002, 09:05 PM

About the computing power:
1) Things should pick up once people get back to school (friends with computers, high speed internet...)
2) RC5 will eventually wind down, reducing us to only 3 active projects
3) IF the MDC3 client is ever released, that should be another draw to our Team

About diversity:
1) When I recruit (Windows or Mac users alike), I use this site to demonstrate the distributed computing options for Macs, so its nice to have a page with more than 5 (4 active) projects,
2) Having multiple projects is nice for me (without always-on internet) because if I know I have a Fold unit that will be done soon, I can set SETI to work as well,
3) we can help manage our resources with the Special Forces Unit that has been batted around awhile ago (though determining how to decide where the resources of that Unit will go is open to controversy)

PS, Thank you Scott and Reader for doing all that you do. We all really appreciate it. This site shouldnt be a burden. I'm just trying to raise a stink, wake up the boards a little bit. Its too quiet around here.

[ 07-18-2002, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: jarling ]

Shaktai · Jul 19, 2002, 01:19 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by reader50:
I'll start a Team MacNN on each project sometime tonight. Makes sense to beat the cybersquatters.

Sorry guys for the slow response, just busy in the real world this week.<hr /></blockquote>Tell you what, if you start the team in D2OL, I will even throw in 230 of my own completed work units, just to help kick the party off. That along with jbcools units already crunched over there, will put you into the top 100 and ahead of the other flegling Mac Team. After that, you are on your own. Team Eagles is now #29 overall in D2OL, and #9 and still climbing in production for the past week . If I can do that with a 2 person team, imagine what MacNN can do. In TSC Team Eagles is #30 overall but not really climbing because all my power is over on D2OL right now. Breaking into the top 10 should be easy for you guys. The top 5 is very attainable. From then on the going gets tougher, but not impossible.

Hey I only brought this up, because these projects can be dominated. Personally, though, rather than splitting your power, I would focus on one project only, until the membership grows. Still it wouldn't hurt to have the team established in the other, since some folks do have preferences.

reader50 · Jul 19, 2002, 03:33 AM

Folks, I wasn't able to found the teams. Both projects require a "node number" from the client, which means you have to get the client working first. They claim OS X 10.0 required, but it looks more like 10.1 with java 1.3.1. I duplicated the java 1.3 folder into 1.3.1, but could not supply the missing java launcher framework. Yes, I will get up to date with 10.2 when it's released.

Scott, want to do the honors?

macdude22 · Jul 19, 2002, 07:40 AM

I've changed My team name to Team MacNN so we have it now. Seems real easy to set up the client on OS 10.1. I've got an Imac 800 crunching on it and soon to have another one crunching on it as I some how managed to con my mother into getting herself a 17" widescreen imac, shipps in two weeks baby.

Scotttheking · Jul 19, 2002, 10:16 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by reader50:
Folks, I wasn't able to found the teams. Both projects require a "node number" from the client, which means you have to get the client working first. They claim OS X 10.0 required, but it looks more like 10.1 with java 1.3.1. I duplicated the java 1.3 folder into 1.3.1, but could not supply the missing java launcher framework. Yes, I will get up to date with 10.2 when it's released.

Scott, want to do the honors?<hr /></blockquote>Maybe after my DSL is fixed.

Shaktai · Jul 19, 2002, 01:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by macdude22:
I've changed My team name to Team MacNN so we have it now. Seems real easy to set up the client on OS 10.1. I've got an Imac 800 crunching on it and soon to have another one crunching on it as I some how managed to con my mother into getting herself a 17" widescreen imac, shipps in two weeks baby.<hr /></blockquote>As promised, I delivered 230 work units to help kick things off. jbcool and mikkyo, if you both add your completed workunits, MacNN will be off to a good start. You have a ways to go to catch Team Eagles though. (Team Eagles - 2 active members, 7 computers, #29 overall and #5 to #7 in daily production.) It won't take a lot of power for Team MacNN to make an impact in D2OL.

Good luck!

macdude22 · Jul 19, 2002, 01:54 PM

Thanks a lot, I'm tring to get some more systems on it. Hopefully I might have a couple more Imac G4's on it within a week.

SkiBikeSki · Jul 19, 2002, 02:16 PM

I have no objection to supporting more DC project. Although it is nice to focus on one project, and have a little friendly compeitition. However is is also nice to just put your name on the list and help out. Whenever I get the chance I'll check out these new projects and see what I can do. I can probably do a lot in fall when I go back to school. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

mikkyo · Jul 19, 2002, 06:29 PM

I will join TeamMacNN with my units.
Unfortunately, my DSL connection is out at home for a long time due to many ineptnesses, none of them mine.

So some day, some time in the future, I will begin producing far better numbers.

macdude22 · Jul 19, 2002, 09:21 PM

I don't know about any one else but The D2OL client looks really cool. If It could be Implemented into a screen saver that would be really funky. I think that is a big draw is a screen saver so the user doesnt have to do anything to open the app. At work I have it running on my Imac and i get many a question about it.

Shaktai · Jul 19, 2002, 10:35 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by macdude22:
I don't know about any one else but The D2OL client looks really cool. If It could be Implemented into a screen saver that would be really funky. I think that is a big draw is a screen saver so the user doesnt have to do anything to open the app. At work I have it running on my Imac and i get many a question about it.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, but the only problem is that would make it real slow. Drawing the graphics slows down the client by at least 30%. Closing the graphics client, so that only the processing client runs in the background, speeds up production substantially, not to mention that the graphics display is a real memory hog. D2OL and TSC clients are essentially two different applications that work together. The graphic viewer portion can be quit all togthether to improve performance substantially.

macdude22 · Jul 19, 2002, 10:59 PM

I agree whole heartedly with you, But the people where I work and many others I know are more interested in the cool looking graphics then how much crunching power they can do. Every little bit helps and I think It's good to have options of running Distributed programs in the back ground, forground, with graphics, without, and a screen saver mode.

jbcool · Jul 19, 2002, 11:04 PM

Ok I put my 466 units into the team pot.

It really does not matter how many projects we work on.
Not all of the projects need to be supported by MacNN offically.
Just nice to have the name in different places. All team efforts are really a gift given by those who have the time to spare to help others.
And we really do appreciate the time that Reader50 and Scotttheking donate to MacNN.

Mikkyo we do notice that every project that you decide to work on that you make a big difference. Thank you for all your efforts also.

Shaktai I plan on knocking you out of another 1st place in the next week.
Just doing my job as promised.

Shaktai · Jul 20, 2002, 02:57 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jbcool:

Shaktai I plan on knocking you out of another 1st place in the next week.
Just doing my job as promised.<hr /></blockquote>Of course you picked a project I am not even crunching on.

Okay, as of 12:47 AM pacific time on D2OL, Team MacNN is #96 overall out of 166 teams and you just got started. So far today as of Midnight eastern time, you are #25 in total daily production. That ain't too shabby for a team with 3 members and 4 boxes. You are going to have to do better than that though to catch me and Team Eagles. We are currently #29 overall and climbing and #6 so far on daily production, and that is with two members.

Come on MacNN. I gave you a 230 unit handicap, just to get you into the top 100. I know what you can do. There are Mac users out there looking for a "good" team. Strut your stuff!!! A dozen members and a couple a' dozen boxes and you will be soaring with the Eagles, maybe even passing us.

jbcool · Jul 20, 2002, 08:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shaktai:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jbcool:

Shaktai I plan on knocking you out of another 1st place in the next week.
Just doing my job as promised.<hr /></blockquote>Of course you picked a project I am not even crunching on.

Come on MacNN. I gave you a 230 unit handicap, just to get you into the top 100. I know what you can do. There are Mac users out there looking for a "good" team. Strut your stuff!!! A dozen members and a couple a' dozen boxes and you will be soaring with the Eagles, maybe even passing us.

<hr /></blockquote>Don't blame me for working on a project that you are not crunching one.
Have you ever known me to put all my eggs in one basket like your doing?

Be careful what you ask for there Shaktai if Mikkyo decide you need a swift kick then the first boot will kick you and the second will stomp you.

Jul 20, 2002, 06:00 PM

Just Wait till those juicy Imac 800's get here. and the P 4, In a couple weeks Team MacNN will pick up speed fast. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Shaktai · Jul 22, 2002, 01:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by <macdude22>:
Just Wait till those juicy Imac 800's get here. and the P 4, In a couple weeks Team MacNN will pick up speed fast. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Doesn't look like you are doing too bad even now. MacNN is already #90 overall, and averaging around #20 in overall daily production. - Keep crunching.

macdude22 · Jul 22, 2002, 04:04 PM

I have another G4 thats been crunching for a couple days, Its only on a modem connection so I haven't connected it yet to upload the finished units.