[Evangellydonut]

First, I wish I had a copy of Seti 3.0 beta...but I'm sure I'll find it after some digging around...

Second, when you put the data on RAM disk, which I've tried a few times, don't you always have to trash the old data entirely from the RAM Disk and download a new one to be put on there after you are done with the first one? I didn't realize that at first, and had 3 duplicate results! that sucked! Also, putting it on RAM disk on my G4/450 only increased time by maybe a few minutes if that...and the trouble of replacing the content of RAM disk twice a day and what not was just not worth it for me...anyone else?

Third, I guess it's fair, but annoying that when I leave my first group, the results are left there...so if I leave Gerry's ICQ group and join up here, I'll have to climb the ladder again? that'd really suck! (500 units will take several month to accumulate, even when I have 4 G3s and a G4 doing it...) Guess I'll be stuck at Gerry's group

[Todd Madson]

I ran my old 6400/180 from January to april and it took that long to generate 40 work units. I now have the G4/400 and am at 545+ units. It takes a while. This isn't a task for the impatient. And the new client is going to take LONGER to generate work units - it's not going to be faster because more science processing will be done to analyze the signal. Even a G4/400 seems slow in a task of this type.

[wlonh]

oh, do join us Evangelly! i was a member of another SETI team too, and i left some units behind as i recall...

come on, ya know ya want to join us!! i mean, think about it... what sounds cooler, Team Gerry's ICQ or Team MacNN?

Mac is what it is all about and it's in our name! we are Team MacNN! we may be an underdog of sorts now, but look out! we are a top 200 team, with a bullet!

[Evangellydonut]

since Mr. Admin asked so nicely, and been quite helpful with da questions I've had regarding this Seti thingy, what the heck...as soon as I get home and find that seti password somewhere, (and install that other thingy) I'll jump in! ^_^
(btw, how do you make them animated smilies?)

[Evangellydonut]

oh yeah, anyone willing to email me a "secret" place (or just send me the installer, heck!) where I can get the 3.0 beta client to test out, so I don't have to dig around?
email me, evangellydonut@mac.com

[wlonh]

http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/smilies.html

pssst: use Watson (freeware) to search hotline servers, that is my best guess to find the new client


i am very pedestrian in these matters and really do not know, but i think you will find it this way

[This message has been edited by wlonh (edited 07-12-2000).]

[wlonh]

and thanks for joining up with us

[Bockie]

Thank you for the team spirit, Evangellydonut! Like wlonh says...we're going to the top like a bullet. Our WU completion time is in the top 20th percentile! The top team has a completion time of 25:41:51.3; ours, 12:43:06.3!!!

[Evangellydonut]

*sigh* I left ~510 units completed at GICQ and here to climb the ladder again...but I'm sure by the end of summer, I'll be top 50 without a sweat

[wlonh]

eeeeeyouch

thanks again, the Team MacNN propeller beanie is on its way to your abode

[Bockie]

Waaaaa... I've referred many people, but I still haven't gotten my swizzle stick.

[Evangellydonut]

*blink* I c...the 509 units I did still count towards me when it comes to rankings within the group, but not carried over to the new group. I guess that ain't so terrible, I thought I'd start at 0 and go my way up or something...hehe, it's all good

now, let's see how much higher I can get on the ladder by the end of summer

oh yeah, just noticed that bit 'bout swizzle stick...I want to get mine at one point or another ^_~

[This message has been edited by Evangellydonut (edited 07-14-2000).]

[wlonh]

not that i am ethically impaired, but i realize just now that i made something of a faux pas

i suggested that a seti beta could be found by searching hotline servers, even if it is freeware it is something of a breach of ethics to use this beta if it were not given to you through the expressed permission of the seti HQ

but still, i am losing no sleep on this matter...

[Evangellydonut]

hehe, those things are harder to come by then I thought (the 3.0 betas)...I think I'll just wait a week or two 'til they release the final version...or hope that they'll release the final version soon. But then, that means they'll force everyone to upgrade, and them G3s will crunch out data slower yet! oh well...

Oh yeah, the founder of the MacNN team only got 18 units completed? or is that just an imposter? (hamm)

[This message has been edited by Evangellydonut (edited 07-14-2000).]

[wlonh]

well, that is Mark and yes he clicked the button to create the Team MacNN

but as i have said elsewhere, it is i who started this Team MacNN... and have contributed a fair amount to it in ways other than just my SETI WU output which has been rather lame lately

but not as lame as Mark's

[Evangellydonut]

Haha
Anyway, with accelerated Cache (and SP), I got a 5 hour flat time on my G4, according to Seti at least. (14-37 minute drop)

I was reading their status page, something regarding errorenously sending out "duplicate data errors", so I'm wondering if using RAM disk, you really need to physically replace the data (on RAM disk) everytime that it's completed, or is it automatically done and what I saw was just Seti's error?

*thinks* with the new version, which is suppose to be faster on G4s; dropping resolution to 256 from thousands; and putting it on RAM disk again, I wonder how long it'll take to finish an unit then...maybe 4 hours...that'd be cool...

I'm currently at 59361st place overall, 97.239% ^_^

[wlonh]

i'm using a ramdisk and MacOS 9 and therefore the SETI@home Data ALIAS and the SETI@home Preferences are located in the Application Support folder in the System Folder and of course the RAM disk contains the real SETI@home Data... and i have no trouble with SETI

(if you are using MacOS 8.x.x, SETI@home Data and SETI@home Preferences are in the Preferences folder in the System Folder)

[Evangellydonut]

thx!

haha, just noticed, this thread is pretty much just us 2 chatting, wlonh

thx for your help!

[Bockie]

Yeah, the SETI forum isn't exactly the most exciting place. The majority of conversations fall within the "standard" MacNN fora. If you want to really enjoy some discussions that are intellectually stimulating or totally pointless go to MacNN's Lounge:
http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/foru...amp;LastLogin=

I see all these posts about people using RAM disks for their seti units and I can't resist submitting this message. For one there is absolutely no need to cram data units in a RAM disk. RAM disks are only useful if your Hard drive is being monopolised, and there is a consistant data-flow of at or near the maximum of the hard drive or bus. The application already takes a small portion of the 300K file into ram for processing. There is no large amount of data-flow. SETI maybe accesses 20k every few minutes, the hard drive in my SE could handle that. SETI processing is already done in RAM, so in fact you should save all the RAM you can not take it up with a virtual hard drive. If you guys really think your saving time by having your computer move a 20k packet from allocated RAM disk to the other part of RAM for processing compared to the small bit of data from your HD to RAM, so be it. I just don't see the point. I can garantee that the few minutes you saved in your last data unit because you used A RAM disk is caused by other anomalies.

[markhers]

but as i have said elsewhere, it is i who started this Team MacNN...

Columbus discovered America, Polo found a route to China, Lon started Team MacNN...it's amazing how these revisionists think.

To the victor goes the crown. I'm not going to defend myself, or get in pissing contests over this one, but I pushed the button, I started the team, and I launched the website.

I haven't heard myself lately saying "As I have said, it was my idea that Apple have UNIX ship as part of the MacOS," even though I actually did some 18 or so days after getting to college when I learned what Unix actually was in 95...

If anyone's noticed, which they likely haven't, I've churned out about 5 or 6 W/U's in the last couple of days (not that that's gonna match any of you supergods in a pissing contest...) but I'm chipping in. Just give me time...

[Bockie]

I may not be some SETI "supergod", but Lon is partially correct in his assessment of "starting" Team MacNN. I recognize your work with the Team's website(which is great, btw) and that you did "push[ed] the button". Conversely, Lon was the caretaker whom fiercely recruited members from within the MacNN fora.

In section 7.c of the transitive senses of the verb "start," the Merriam-Webster definition is:

to care for or train during the early stages of growth and development

Lon did nurture Team MacNN to its prosperity of today. Would credit be given to someone who buries a seed in the dirt, or would the credit be given to the one who follows behind and waters, fertilizes and cultivates the seedling into maturity? Just a thought.

[wlonh]

Marko is teasing, albeit somewhat unadvisedly...

i was the one who made the original suggestion to MacNN staff, who prodded MacNN into coming across with the goods... and who tutored everyone to the best of my ability (SUM not included, i still have not gotten around to using that thingie, hey i do have a life outside of MacNN believe it or not) on how-to, etc... and that is a matter of indisputable record in a number of places on the fora (not just this SETI part of the fora, most of what i know was long ago posted in the third-party app forum under a couple of threads that i started!)

so, i still say that yes, i am to blame for the existence of this mess... but with the mentioned reservation that Mark was the facilitator of this site even though i contributed to the SETI FAQ hereabouts and will contribute as much as i can given the fact that i do not have the sort of privileges of technical access to the site that Mark does, as i am NOT a paid employee and he is...

so, i rest my case... and it is apparent to at least some of the people who make up the team who is 'da man' though decidedly NOT in SETI output, oh no, i do not have whole networks of Macs at my disposal... and Mr. Mark? your output? hmm, rather pale in comparison to mine! of course, i WAS the first member of SETI TEAM MacNN!! (and i have steadily dropped in the standings from that number one spot, alas!)

[markhers]

If this world was about continued accomplishment, and being derided for not accomplishing what others have, then without a doubt there would be only one presidential candidate: Jesse The Mind. (I'd vote for him )

So leave my workunits alone. You're not paying 36+ cents per kilowatt hour.

[iPad]

Hey, i couldn't find anything SETI related on www.hotlinehq.com

Can someone just send it to me?

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People aren't as dumb as you think. Wait, what was I thinking, 90% of the world uses WINDOWS!
You don't like Macs? Good, more for me.

[wlonh]

hey yo, SETIRAM (unregistered)!

ten million frenchmen can not be wrong... and every seti-related site (including the official one) suggests/recommends using a RAM Disk, okay? moof!

�a ne fait rien que vous pensez, ami... et nous savons que chacun SETI unit� est diff�rent, mais oui... et donc, diff�rent longuer de temps pour se terminer...(yeah my french sux these days)

and hey iPad, sorry but maybe you will have to wait like me for 3.0... unless, of course, someone sends it to you then you can send it to me... heh


i hope that everyone's browser can render those special characters (french) as well as IE5 does, they are displayed correctly on my Mac...

[This message has been edited by wlonh (edited 08-07-2000).]

[keyser_soze]

Not to mention that if u use a ram disk, then you can let your hard drive spool down in the energy saver so you don't have some incessant whining noise every half hour while you are trying to sleep.

[wlonh]

d'accord, keyser_soze, tu n'es pas stupide!

[Evangellydonut]

Hey Markhers, we are paying over a dollar per kilowatt hour here in San Diego, thanks to electricity de-regulation. Prices went up 5x since two months or so ago...OUCH

"Columbus discovered America"
Columbus wasn't even a concept when Asians wonder to America during the last ice-age and became the "American Indians"...

"Polo found a route to China"
There was no "China" until the post Ching dynasty, as an effort to creat nationalism to revolt against the Japanese invasion.
And there were a lot of routes to get into China, by land or sea, so finding a route is almost like finding water in the ocean...

I don't mean to offend or anything, I just hate the fact that Europeans think that they are the center of the universe and everything revolve around them, and without them, the World as we know it, wouldn't exist (in particular, America). Currently, the American mentality is getting there too. (And Europe isn't even a continent, shear arrogance made them seperate from Euroasia.) Yes, Europe industrialized before the rest of the world and did this and that...but the World would still exist if Europe never existed, but not vice versa.

[wlonh]

right you are 'gelly, but i can assure you that Mark is no eurocentric...

yeah, what is called the Bering Strait was not always that... there was a land bridge of which there remain telltale vestiges and there is no doubt whatever that Asians made their way across it to what we call North America...

Marco Polo? he just got his info from people who'd previously been where he wanted to go...

and the Greeks borrowed heavily (in any and every way you'd care to mention... Pythagoras/Archimedes/et al invented WHAT??!! ha) from the Egyptians who in turn, etc etc etc...

ain't it funny? perhaps not to some, but i find it a hoot.

[markhers]

I picked my historical references for a reason. I thought that was clear...

And according to my bill, I'm paying no where near $1/kWh.

[This message has been edited by markhers (edited 08-08-2000).]

[keyser_soze]

Mais non, quand est-ce que je suis stupide. Je suis cale. Merde. Je voudrais une biere.
Sorry my french is bad, i haven't taken it in 4 years, that's all from memory.

[wlonh]

come to Nueva York, and you shall have your beer, keyser_soze!

my treat, of course...