[juanvaldes]

Who else got HOMM IV this morning?

Free shirt too! Put off laundy that extra day!

We got the level editor this time around as well, I'm a happy camper

[MindFad]

HOMM IV? What's that again? The abbreviations throw me off sometimes.

[Osirisis]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
Who else got HOMM IV this morning?

Free shirt too! Put off laundy that extra day!

We got the level editor this time around as well, I'm a happy camper

Received mine. GF is testing it. Told me it's been blowing up on her in 10.2.2. I'm having her test in 9.2.2. If that fails also I'm going to put 10.1 on my external drive and test the results playing under that. It's been blowing up when she enters fights. Anyone else see this? I'm going to touch it myself when I get home. Limits to troubleshooting from here

[juanvaldes]

Hero's Of Might And Magic 4

humm...I guess I will put off updating my system then

I'm still at 10.2.1 and I give it a quick run and it didn't blow up on me when I got into battle. But I'm back from class and going in now so I'll see....

Late

edit: okay, just crashed. But I changed the screen size from mid (default) to max. Going to set it back to see if that fixes it...

[Osirisis]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
Hero's Of Might And Magic 4

humm...I guess I will put off updating my system then

I'm still at 10.2.1 and I give it a quick run and it didn't blow up on me when I got into battle. But I'm back from class and going in now so I'll see....

Late

edit: okay, just crashed. But I changed the screen size from mid (default) to max. Going to set it back to see if that fixes it...

I tried a vanilla load of 10.2 and had it crash in that too. 9.2.2 will let it run, but it's just unplayable. From my log:

Mac OS X Version 10.2.2 (Build 6F21)
Nov 14 18:30:44 localhost /sbin/autodiskmount[204]: disk1s1s2 hfs no no Heroes IV Disk 2 [not mounted]

Nov 14 18:30:45 localhost WindowServer[180]: CGXDisableUpdate: Updates disabled by connection 0x4b0b for over 1.000000 seconds

Nov 14 18:30:47 localhost /sbin/autodiskmount[204]: disk1s1s2 hfs no no Heroes IV Disk 2 /Volumes/Heroes IV Disk 2

Nov 14 18:31:42 localhost mDNSResponder[256]: DNSServiceRegistrationRemoveRecord Client -1 not found

2002-11-14 18:33:18.442 Dock[367] CFLog (0):
CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be:
<plist resource in resource fork> of bundle: /Games/Heroes IV/Heroes 4/
The parser will retry as in 10.1, but the problem should be corrected in the plist.
2002-11-14 18:33:18.541 Heroes 4[390] CFLog (0):
CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be:
<plist resource in resource fork> of bundle: /Games/Heroes IV/Heroes 4
The parser will retry as in 10.1, but the problem should be corrected in the plist.
2002-11-14 18:33:18.552 Heroes 4[390] CFLog (0):
CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be:
<plist resource in resource fork> of bundle: /Games/Heroes IV/Heroes 4
The parser will retry as in 10.1, but the problem should be corrected in the plist.
2002-11-14 18:33:18.567 Heroes 4[390] CFLog (0):
CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be:
<plist resource in resource fork> of bundle: /Games/Heroes IV/Heroes 4
The parser will retry as in 10.1, but the problem should be corrected in the plist.
Nov 14 18:33:59 localhost /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid window type

Nov 14 18:33:59 localhost /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid window type

Nov 14 18:34:00 localhost /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid window type

Nov 14 18:34:00 localhost /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid window type

I'm going to try reloading the external drive with 10.2. I lied earlier. I decided on 10.2 since it would be quicker. Going to go load 10.1. Requires a 10.04 load with a 10.1 patch. Eww... Later.

[juanvaldes]

okay, switching back to the middle rez stopped it from crashing on me.

[Osirisis]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
okay, switching back to the middle rez stopped it from crashing on me.

You'll be happy to know. I managed to reproduce the exact same symptoms in 10.1.5. Looks like some beta testers were slacking off and didn't test the top resolution. Another annoyance is that this doesn't look like it comes with hotseat. That was my favorite feature in HoMM3

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Osirisis:


You'll be happy to know. I managed to reproduce the exact same symptoms in 10.1.5. Looks like some beta testers were slacking off and didn't test the top resolution. Another annoyance is that this doesn't look like it comes with hotseat. That was my favorite feature in HoMM3

yeah, I noticed no hotseat as well

But there is some hope. The expansion which just came out for windows lists "enhanced multiplayer options" on the box so maybe hotseat got scraped and is brought back with this expansion.

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Osirisis:

Another annoyance is that this doesn't look like it comes with hotseat. That was my favorite feature in HoMM3

HOTSEAT EXISTS!!!!
Do a scenerio game and click on details to turn on how many human players are on the map. Then once you select the map click on the checkbox this will turn on the human player.

[Osirisis]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:


HOTSEAT EXISTS!!!!
Do a scenerio game and click on details to turn on how many human players are on the map. Then once you select the map click on the checkbox this will turn on the human player.

Cool Thanks. Just what I wanted to see... BTW, I managed to snag 200 maps before the game showed up, so I have some selection Let me know if you need some sites.

Now if they could figure out the blowup feature with the high resolution I'd be very happy. It looks so much better at the top resolution. Need to see more map.

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Osirisis:


Cool Thanks. Just what I wanted to see... BTW, I managed to snag 200 maps before the game showed up, so I have some selection Let me know if you need some sites.

Now if they could figure out the blowup feature with the high resolution I'd be very happy. It looks so much better at the top resolution. Need to see more map.

yeah, sang my email and drop me a line.

How is it running for you? On my dual 1Ghz w/GF4Ti 768ram etc, it runs pretty good but there are still sticky stops where all animation stops for the AI to think. Seemed to get worse the long I played as well, so I think it's leaking bad.

[Jansar]

Where does this game exist? Or to put it simply, how can I acquire it?

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by Osirisis:
I tried a vanilla load of 10.2 and had it crash in that too. 9.2.2 will let it run, but it's just unplayable. From my log:

FWIW, this isn't a crash log, it's just your regular ol' console spew. To enable crash logs, you have to go to the Preferences menu item in the Console app and check the two boxes in the "Crashes" tab in the preferences dialog.

Brad

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Brad Oliver:


FWIW, this isn't a crash log, it's just your regular ol' console spew. To enable crash logs, you have to go to the Preferences menu item in the Console app and check the two boxes in the "Crashes" tab in the preferences dialog.

Brad

...and you can access your crash logs from Apple System Profiler in Utilities.

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Jansar:
Where does this game exist? Or to put it simply, how can I acquire it?

it came out today, so hopefuly it is in your local software store that stocks mac programs. I just preordered it and it arrived this morning

PS: be prepared to give up life, I have been playing since 3 this afternoon streight!

[Osirisis]

Originally posted by Brad Oliver:


FWIW, this isn't a crash log, it's just your regular ol' console spew. To enable crash logs, you have to go to the Preferences menu item in the Console app and check the two boxes in the "Crashes" tab in the preferences dialog.

Brad

Thanks Brad. I wasn't sure where to look for that sort of information. I'll try to get the 3do guys a real log later today.

[Osirisis]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:


yeah, sang my email and drop me a line.

How is it running for you? On my dual 1Ghz w/GF4Ti 768ram etc, it runs pretty good but there are still sticky stops where all animation stops for the AI to think. Seemed to get worse the long I played as well, so I think it's leaking bad.

Dual 800, GeForce 3 768 MB Ram. Seems pretty slow during the computer turns. Reminds me of playing Heroes 3 on my old Motorola 225MHz clone with the game running in Virtual Memory This is much more playable, but I think I'm going to be reading during the computer players turns. I also noted slowdown during battles when the computer has to think about what to do when it starts it's moves. It can distract you from the battle flow at times. Quick battle is starting to look appealing.

Looks like the game isn't threaded as top shows it taking up only 1 cpu at any given time. Not that I would have expected it to, with the original PC code probably not supporting multiple processors. I did tinker with the scenario editor. Looks spiffy. Not going to get in depth with it until I get some more playtime under my belt. After all. I have to figure out what things do

[Osirisis]

And here's the crash log... Going to email this off to 3do. Maybe you can make something of this Brad. Not your game I know, but none the less

Date/Time: 2002-11-14 22:20:13 -0500
OS Version: 10.2.2 (Build 6F21)
Host: localhost

Command: Heroes 4
PID: 453

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000020

Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x001ca6bc in 0x1ca6bc
#1 0x001ca054 in 0x1ca054
#2 0x001c8c2c in 0x1c8c2c
#3 0x001c9d50 in 0x1c9d50
#4 0x001e1cc4 in 0x1e1cc4
#5 0x001e0a28 in 0x1e0a28
#6 0x0029a044 in 0x29a044
#7 0x0055f134 in 0x55f134
#8 0x00589d20 in 0x589d20
#9 0x00583210 in 0x583210
#10 0x0058accc in 0x58accc
#11 0x003830e4 in 0x3830e4
#12 0x0050e398 in 0x50e398
#13 0x007b209c in 0x7b209c
#14 0x007b0ae0 in 0x7b0ae0
#15 0x92ba25b4 in DispatchEventToHandlers
#16 0x92ba291c in SendEventToEventTargetInternal
#17 0x92bb4c88 in SendEventToEventTarget
#18 0x92bb9130 in _Z16HandleMouseEventP14OpaqueEventRef
#19 0x92bb2070 in _Z29ToolboxEventDispatcherHandlerP25OpaqueEventHan dlerCallRefP14OpaqueEventRefPv
#20 0x92ba266c in DispatchEventToHandlers
#21 0x92ba291c in SendEventToEventTargetInternal
#22 0x92bb4c88 in SendEventToEventTarget
#23 0x007aff90 in 0x7aff90
#24 0x0050c9ec in 0x50c9ec
#25 0x0055ec48 in 0x55ec48
#26 0x0055f3e4 in 0x55f3e4
#27 0x00560754 in 0x560754
#28 0x0056431c in 0x56431c
#29 0x0062eaf4 in 0x62eaf4
#30 0x0062fdfc in 0x62fdfc
#31 0x0062ff18 in 0x62ff18
#32 0x0062fe84 in 0x62fe84
#33 0x003830e4 in 0x3830e4
#34 0x0050e398 in 0x50e398
#35 0x0050e398 in 0x50e398
#36 0x0062e6e4 in 0x62e6e4
#37 0x007b209c in 0x7b209c
#38 0x007b0ae0 in 0x7b0ae0
#39 0x92ba25b4 in DispatchEventToHandlers
#40 0x92ba291c in SendEventToEventTargetInternal
#41 0x92bb4c88 in SendEventToEventTarget
#42 0x92bb9130 in _Z16HandleMouseEventP14OpaqueEventRef
#43 0x92bb2070 in _Z29ToolboxEventDispatcherHandlerP25OpaqueEventHan dlerCallRefP14OpaqueEventRefPv
#44 0x92ba266c in DispatchEventToHandlers
#45 0x92ba291c in SendEventToEventTargetInternal
#46 0x92bb4c88 in SendEventToEventTarget
#47 0x007aff90 in 0x7aff90
#48 0x0050aad8 in 0x50aad8
#49 0x007afb18 in 0x7afb18

Thread 1:
#0 0x9000570c in syscall
#1 0x90515d9c in BSD_waitevent
#2 0x9051576c in CarbonSelectThreadFunc
#3 0x90021308 in _pthread_body

Thread 2:
#0 0x9003f068 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003ee84 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x9051dda0 in CarbonOperationThreadFunc
#3 0x90021308 in _pthread_body

Thread 3:
#0 0x90074208 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90006550 in mach_msg
#2 0x901490a8 in __CFRunLoopRun
#3 0x9018157c in CFRunLoopRunSpecific
#4 0x905e2d90 in _ZN21XIOAudioDeviceManager18NotificationThreadEPS_
#5 0x905e2cac in _ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS_
#6 0x90021308 in _pthread_body

Thread 4:
#0 0x9003f068 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003ee84 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x9023341c in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x9023c258 in TimerThread
#4 0x90021308 in _pthread_body

Thread 5:
#0 0x9003f068 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003ee84 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x9023341c in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x90248aec in _Z15AsyncFileThreadPv
#4 0x90021308 in _pthread_body

Thread 6:
#0 0x9003f068 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003ee84 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x9023341c in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x90233d5c in DeferredTaskThread
#4 0x90021308 in _pthread_body

Thread 7:
#0 0x90042c48 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003ee74 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x905d2c34 in _ZN7CAGuard7WaitForEy
#3 0x905d26c8 in _ZN7CAGuard9WaitUntilEy
#4 0x905d19c0 in _ZN15XThreadedDevice8IOThreadEv
#5 0x905e9528 in _ZN15XThreadedDevice13IOThreadEntryEPv
#6 0x905e2cac in _ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS_
#7 0x90021308 in _pthread_body

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x001ca6bc srr1: 0x0000f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x00000000 lr: 0x001ca054 ctr: 0x006dec90 mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x001ca054 r1: 0xbfffe1e0 r2: 0x00a8c000 r3: 0xbfffe29c
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x00000006 r6: 0x05e40660 r7: 0xbfffe258
r8: 0x0561ab2c r9: 0x00000002 r10: 0x00000072 r11: 0x00000000
r12: 0x00aa8208 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x0382e030 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x04eb38f0 r17: 0xbfffe554 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0xbfffe29c r21: 0x00000006 r22: 0x00000000 r23: 0xbfffe54c
r24: 0xbfffe540 r25: 0x05e55400 r26: 0x00000000 r27: 0xbfffe2ac
r28: 0xbfffe328 r29: 0x00000000 r30: 0x05e2c204 r31: 0xbfffe260

[Osirisis]

And now for the Map sites. Since more people are interested. I might as well post them here:

http://heroes.mycomport.com/cgi-bin/...earch_maps.cgi

http://www.heroes.kiev.ua/files/maps.html

http://h3trio.com/Non_Java_Menu/nonjavamainpage.htm

http://www.heroes.h1.ru/heroes4/maps.php

Granted not all the maps are going to be in English, but they're still playable. Hope everyone enjoys. I'm surpised that there aren't more maps out there. I have over 800 Heroes 3 maps Then again that has been out quite some time.

[Osirisis]

Well, my gf and I finished our first map and started a second. After playing this game for a full weekend I must say it's as addictive as Heroes of Might and Magic III. I've been playing Life / Nature mixes. I like having 2 heores in a party. It makes it interesting being able to cover the weak spots in your first hero. We'll see how using two heroes in a party works out in the long term It seems that the game play faster on maps that are less crowded. Our first map was very busy and computer turns took a while until we started killing them off. On the new map we've started which is more open, the turns are going much quicker. Please note these comments are based on XL maps. I'm sure the game will run much quicker with S and M sized maps. I'm not sure how well this game will run on the 350 Mhz G3 which is the lowest recommended spec. Still waiting to hear back from 3do on the resolution issue. Hopefully they'll acknowledge receipt if nothing else. I figure it will be some time before the problem is fixed.