[Hydra]

I just updated to the new version of MOHAA and was thrilled to see the added Symmetrical Multi Processor support but after enabling it my frame rates are something like 30% less. What gives? Anyone else get similar results. I have a dual 800 w/ a GF3 driving a new 20" Cinema Display and when SMP in Quake 3 is enabled it almost doubles the frame-rates. I wasn't expecting to get as much improvement as that but to have the frame-rates drop precipitously was really unexpected.

-Jerry C.

[MacGallant]

I got a MDD dual G4 867 Mhz and a Radeon 9000 Pro on a 17 inch Princeton CRT and I also got a drop in framerates when I enabled SMP in Metal of Honor. And also when I quit the game with SMP enabled, the game freezes. But it is ok when SMP is off. Framerates are about the same as version 1.1.2 with SMP off, but takes a nosedive when SMP is enabled. I hope Aspyr and Westlake get on this problem right away. I can't wait to play Metal of Honor in its full glory the way it was meant to be, with SMP working correctly and hopefully doubling the framerates.

One more thing, they claim on Inside Mac Games that on Mac OS X 10.2.3 and up, that Texture Compression now works when you check it. But I can't tell the difference visually or performance wise. Can anyone confirm that Texture Compression on Mac OS X 10.2.3 and up in MOHAA really works?

[DBvader]

it seems a bit faster to me. i am really disgusted with framerate issues today. after the patck, things were running at a good 40-45 FPS on my Dual 867/9000 with some things enabled, and others not. my suitemates are running their PCs at insane speeds. my roomate is getting 100FPS with 4X AA (2.5 @ 2.8 and a Ti4400), my other suitemate is getting solid performace off his 2.4/Ti4200 at around 80 FPS with 4X AA on! this is rediculous.

i know that the game is less optimized and that they have better cards, but the difference in FPS and what they have enabled is insane.

[a2daj]

There's a chance that MoH with all it's enhancements to the Q3 engine just doesn't play nicely with SMP. So we could be seeing an instance where SMP just doesn't help and there's not much that can be done. But I hope it's a bug of some type that can be fixed. I highly doubt SMP will double framerates. The only game that has gotten a significant boost out of SMP is Quake 3 Arena. No other Quake 3 engine game sees a significant performance boost (if any at all) with SMP.

I think the best part of the patch is the support for Texture Compression. I can play MoH with full graphics (except for the shadows) and get very good performance with my dual 1.33 with a RADEON 8500. Much, much better than without Texture compression.

[littlegreenspud]

Yes definitely worse with smp enabled, sigh.

[Vash]

DBvader - it is not possible for a powerbook to get 100FPS with MOST settings pumped to the max. Even in Quake 3 the max is probably 80 or maybe 100. I have the 1ghz TiBook and get 20-40 FPS w/Anti Aliasing set to 2 or 4, seems same FPS for both. And unbelievably in the same map/area my Dual 1ghz G4 w/Geforce 4Ti gets a mere 25-70 FPS. Now the desktop is set to a higher resolution but still.(and SMP disabled) A laptop and a desktop should not be so close in FPS. Either MOH is far better optimized for ATI cards than Nvidia ones, or the update it just being weird. Well the 1ghz powerbooks could definetly get over 100FPS in Q3 is resolution was 640x480 and everything else as low as possible.

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by DBvader:
it seems a bit faster to me. i am really disgusted with framerate issues today. after the patck, things were running at a good 40-45 FPS on my Dual 867/9000 with some things enabled, and others not. my suitemates are running their PCs at insane speeds. my roomate is getting 100FPS with 4X AA (2.5 @ 2.8 and a Ti4400), my other suitemate is getting solid performace off his 2.4/Ti4200 at around 80 FPS with 4X AA on! this is rediculous.

Actually, that seems pretty normal to me. You're comparing what appears to be PCs running with nearly three times the raw CPU performance as the Mac along with a top-of-the-line video card. I don't know what kind of miracles you expect, but the performance you are seeing on the Mac is definitely not unexpected.

[DrBoar]

Spec2000 marks for a P4 at 2.4-2.8 GHz is about 800 both for integer and fp. A G4 at 867 MHz is around 250 for integers and 150 fp. So reaching half the FPS is very impressive with such an CPU as the G4

[Liquidity X]

yah i noticed this top, thought somethign was worng, i was ooo pumped when I saw this, hope its fixed soon.

[TheMosco]

has anyone emailed them to see what was up?

[a2daj]

http://www.insidemacgames.com/forum/...9&start=15

Read the comments form bike2live. He worked on the Mac version of MoH including the patch.

[redJag]

Originally posted by Vash:
DBvader - it is not possible for a powerbook to get 100FPS with MOST settings pumped to the max.

I think you misread his abbreviations. He was comparing it to a PC with a nVidia GeForce4 Titanium 4400.

[DBvader]

"DBvader - it is not possible for a powerbook to get 100FPS with MOST settings pumped to the max"

i have a powermac.

"Actually, that seems pretty normal to me. You're comparing what appears to be PCs running with nearly three times the raw CPU performance as the Mac along with a top-of-the-line video card. I don't know what kind of miracles you expect, but the performance you are seeing on the Mac is definitely not unexpected."

i understand why it runs brilliantly on my roomates computer. what i dont understand is why i cant run it even remotely decently with some things turned on medium. my Pc at home 2000+/Ti4200 runs MOH fanastically with everything on high. My suitemate has a 1.4GhZ/MX420 and it runs it faster than my mac. the miracle i expect is my mac to keep up with PCs much older than it.

hopefully, Unreal Tournament wont run like this...

[a2daj]

You have to face the facts that the horsepower just isn't there for Macs. A 1 GHz PowerMac isn't magically going to run games faster than a 1.4 GHz PC.