[Super Glitcher]

Considering the addictiveness of Diablo II, the fact that no one else makes anything like it and that the fans are die hard and give up things like eating, sleeping and going to the bathroom to play it... ... what is up with this ghost crap and stupid 3d warcraft garbage? bLeh.. Do I have to wait 4 more years for a sequel?

I don't mean to sound insensitive or anything.. but I am getting way burnt out on the OSX game selection.. not even mentioning the fact that Diablo II runs like a gimpy squirrel on my 17" pb it's practically unplayable

I think blizzard should seriously get off their rockers with Diablo 3. So if it were under construction, what features/ideas would you like to see in it? Obviously more weapons, different chars and skills... but how about settings/story/features.. npc abilities + growth - smart boses, mutliplayer options etc..

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If we're going to have to wait 4 or 5 more years for a similar title after D3, you'd better make sure it will last you and be worth it!

[IamBob]

Instead of hiring some weak rogue I want my lvl 99 barb to follow me around. Okay, I don't have a lvl 99 barb but if I did, that's who I'd want as a mercenary.

Another thing that would be cool is if mercs. were more like a real character. Give them a belt, rings, gloves, boots and ammy (and at least a small inventory!?).

Make it so I can specify (based on their health/mana) when they should drink a potion. Maybe I can tell them to run away when there's more than x number of bad guys in the area or have them use a certain skill or whatever...but I want to be able to pre-set that kind of stuff and over-ride it on a whim.

I guess I'm saying make the merc. a more integral part of the story and game play but I don't want to have to hand-hold a complete retard.

[mac freak]

I wholeheartedly agree.
EVERYONE wants Diablo 3, yet Blizzard keeps giving us more and more Warcraft and some POS Starcraft Ghost that isn't even for PC/Mac. I'm hoping WoW will basically be Diablo in the WC universe... I mean, it IS an RPG, after all.

[voodoo]

Oh I'd LOVE a to get my hands on Diablo 3. Diablo 2 was the first game I've bought since Icewind Dale! I don't buy games often (and no I do not pirate)

[Adam Betts]

Glitcher, you're definitely confused

Blizzard North (the maker of Diablo series) have absolutely nothing to do with Starcraft or Warcraft series. All of the SC and WC series are handled by Blizzard West.

Blizzard North or Blizzard West is not handling Starcraft: Ghost. It is handled by Nihilistic Software, Inc.

I hope it is clear to you. Warcraft III or stupid 3d warcraft garbage as you call it is far from being a garbage. It got rave reviews all over. I think you've never tried it thorough before. Starcraft: Ghost does not look like a garbage to me, it's filled with innovative game design.

mac freak, your complaint about it not going to PC/Mac, here's a reason:
"Due to the Starcraft: Ghost's control interface and tactical-action nature, developing this title for the next-generation console systems makes the most sense."

If you want to know what Blizzard North is working on next, here's their comment:
"...Seis will lead Blizzard North's team of developers, which will be streamlined into one core group to focus their efforts on one key project. The details of the studio's next project will be announced at a future time."

p.s Diablo II runs much better on any Panther builds. Try it.

[Jowy]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Diablo 3 but not for a long time. I'm so burnt out on D2's gameplay that the 1.10 patch wasn't enough to make me wanna play again.

[Super Glitcher]

Say what?

I think the semantics of which department handles the development of the game is rather irrelevant. Blizzard Entertainment likely has a huge amount of discretion as to what is being developed as they are the root organization here, followed by Vivendi/Universal media group which just wants to see a larger bottom line.

Anyway, that's not even closely related to my point, so let's not get wound up in tangents.

You're obviously a little defensive about your 3d warcraft. I don't care about the rave reviews, I love blizzard games (mostly) so I purchased it when it came out, played it for myself.. 'I' played it for a long time and 'I' think that it sucks. Everytime WC3 related updates and expansions come out I think about the massive development time and it makes me want to punch myself in the nutts. I am crazy about Warcraft II and Starcraft, the 2d/tile system is perfect and I thought the graphics were outstanding, and yet definitely leaving room for growth. I still think they should have simply expanded on this architecture with warcraft 3, save the 3d for non-strategy/console games.

The very core of my frustration lies in that Diablo II was released over 3 years ago - June 29, 2000!. It's almost 04' and there is no sign that D3 is even being developed. Factoring in how long it takes them to develop these games, I am scared to think how long it will be until the next volume is released- Hence - "Get off your rockers".

I'd think that if you were even remotely interested in seeing Diablo 3 your comments would have been supportive of the main issue here (showing support and getting blizzard to develop D3) rather than barfing up all of this useless trivia.

I'm sure ghost will be great, and they'll make lots of money- but (as a whole) they are still neglecting a huge market that is dying for D3. Again, I will probably buy ghost as I usually dig blizzard releases... but I imagine that I will be back to playing armored core in no time.

As far as panther goes I'd love to try it, but it's not out yet.. and I *still* can't play D2- not to mention I am burnt.

I just want to see them make D3 soon, and I want it to be as ensnaring as D2 was + then some.

[Glennfield]

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:
Diablo II runs like a gimpy squirrel on my 17" pb it's practically unplayable

You may have been asked this previously, but what video mode and OS are you running in? If you're in OS X, it seems to be the case that the game runs well in Software Rendering mode but horribly in any other.

[Super Glitcher]

I'm using 10.2.8 and running in software mode- the colors seems to be out of whack, like contrast way high no matter what the settings and the gameplay is pretty jerky.

It's manageable but unpleasant. I am just so use to super smooth running version that this has become a drag.

[benb]

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:
I am crazy about Warcraft II and Starcraft, the 2d/tile system is perfect and I thought the graphics were outstanding, and yet definitely leaving room for growth. I still think they should have simply expanded on this architecture with warcraft 3, save the 3d for non-strategy/console games.

HAHAHAHAHA.

What you asked for you got. Really. They just updated the graphics. Thats all the 3D does. And changes ranged units a bit. If WC3 used the WC2 graphics engine, you wouldn't be upset? Really? Well, it would be interesting to see how they convert 256 > 65,000 in OS X.

[redJag]

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:

I think the semantics of which department handles the development of the game is rather irrelevant. Blizzard Entertainment likely has a huge amount of discretion as to what is being developed as they are the root organization here, followed by Vivendi/Universal media group which just wants to see a larger bottom line.

I think these semantics are very relevant. Have you been in a software/game developing environment before? These things must be organized, or they turn buggy fast. On the game side of things, they turn impure fast. Once you've developed one type of game, you know what is necessary for that type of game to be outstanding. Moving between game types creates a lesser game, in the end.

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:

You're obviously a little defensive about your 3d warcraft. I don't care about the rave reviews, I love blizzard games (mostly) so I purchased it when it came out, played it for myself.. 'I' played it for a long time and 'I' think that it sucks.

You're obviously a little aggressive/hateful about your 3d warcraft. I don't care about the rave review, I love Blizzard games, so I purchased it when it came out, played it for myself..and it's good. It isn't near as "innovative" as the WC/SC games, but it is a damn good game in its own right.

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:
Everytime WC3 related updates and expansions come out I think about the massive development time and it makes me want to punch myself in the nutts.

Well, this has been answered and your only response was to deny that the situation exists. Go to California, walk around the Blizzard HQ, and you can see for yourself. Until then I guess you'll just sit there denying

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:

I am crazy about Warcraft II and Starcraft, the 2d/tile system is perfect and I thought the graphics were outstanding, and yet definitely leaving room for growth. I still think they should have simply expanded on this architecture with warcraft 3, save the 3d for non-strategy/console games.

Hell yes! Their graphics were nice, the game play of StarCraft was PERFECT. The graphics are now outdated, the interface could use tweaking. I agree that warcraft 3 should not be 3D. There is VERY little gained and quite a bit lost. Graphics quality, for one. StarCraft graphics are truer to what I want to see than the blocky WarCraft 3 graphics. (I play on an AMD26000+ w/ GeForceTi4600, so don't blame crap graphics on mac).

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:

The very core of my frustration lies in that Diablo II was released over 3 years ago - June 29, 2000!. It's almost 04' and there is no sign that D3 is even being developed. Factoring in how long it takes them to develop these games, I am scared to think how long it will be until the next volume is released- Hence - "Get off your rockers".

I feel for you on this point, except I dislike the Diablo series. But I do see where you're coming from, and agree..just not in a passionate sort of way

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:

I'd think that if you were even remotely interested in seeing Diablo 3 your comments would have been supportive of the main issue here (showing support and getting blizzard to develop D3) rather than barfing up all of this useless trivia.

People often fight fire with fire.

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:

I'm sure ghost will be great, and they'll make lots of money- but (as a whole) they are still neglecting a huge market that is dying for D3. Again, I will probably buy ghost as I usually dig blizzard releases... but I imagine that I will be back to playing armored core in no time.

I'm not sure Ghost will be great, but I am sure I will buy it hoping it will be! I really want StarCraft II. You're bitching about 2000, try 1995 fool!

[Super Glitcher]

You're bitching about 2000, try 1995 fool!
- Seriously.. that's what I'm talking about!

Taken on all points. Yeah I'm passionate about it.. maybe a little too aggressive yeah... but you know where I am coming from.

I am pretty unhappy with the 3d interface.
1) the texture maps look like legos instead of powerful warriors.

How am I supposed to get into jacking a horde of wobbling legos?

2) the perspective sucks
I like precise placement and being able to read the terrain better... it was far more intuitive in WC 2 and SC

I guess other than that it's the same.. but those points kind of kill it for me.

BTW.
I'd be just as happy with SC2 - as LONG AS THEY DON'T COPY WC3!

I think that Ghost was their SC addition for the next decade.

[Super Glitcher]

Originally posted by redJag:
I think these semantics are very relevant. Have you been in a software/game developing environment before? These things must be organized, or they turn buggy fast. On the game side of things, they turn impure fast. Once you've developed one type of game, you know what is necessary for that type of game to be outstanding. Moving between game types creates a lesser game, in the end.

blah blah blah.. not relevant... it's still 4 years and no sign of a sequel... why is this so difficult to emphasize

You're obviously a little aggressive/hateful about your 3d warcraft. I don't care about the rave review, I love Blizzard games, so I purchased it when it came out, played it for myself..and it's good. It isn't near as "innovative" as the WC/SC games, but it is a damn good game in its own right.

yes I am. I think the graphics suck.. and you're just saying that to sound impartial- you know it sucks

Well, this has been answered and your only response was to deny that the situation exists. Go to California, walk around the Blizzard HQ, and you can see for yourself. Until then I guess you'll just sit there denying

4 years.............. did I mention punching of the nutts already? I live 45 min. from Blizzard HQ, so I can go there to see what exactly? grass grow? dripping coffee?

Hell yes! Their graphics were nice, the game play of StarCraft was PERFECT. The graphics are now outdated, the interface could use tweaking. I agree that warcraft 3 should not be 3D. There is VERY little gained and quite a bit lost. Graphics quality, for one. StarCraft graphics are truer to what I want to see than the blocky WarCraft 3 graphics. (I play on an AMD26000+ w/ GeForceTi4600, so don't blame crap graphics on mac).

Yeah I think I covered that part.. Warcraft 3 graphics = suck. Mac = good. Diablo 3 = desireable. Outdated scmated- it's still better.

I feel for you on this point, except I dislike the Diablo series. But I do see where you're coming from, and agree..just not in a passionate sort of way

Thanks, I think..

People often fight fire with fire.

To effectively counter an argument don't you need an equally strong perspective that addresses the initial point as well? not just "rrrrr your confused... puke puke grovel"

I'm not sure Ghost will be great, but I am sure I will buy it hoping it will be! I really want StarCraft II. You're bitching about 2000, try 1995 fool!

Me too. If they do I hope they don't make it 3d. Though WC and SC are very similar, I think it's time they get back to some Diablo action- there's plenty of strategy games out there.

[Super Glitcher]

although I think Adam has one of the coolest avatars I've ever seen

[redJag]

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:

1. blah blah blah.. not relevant... it's still 4 years and no sign of a sequel... why is this so difficult to emphasize

2. yes I am. I think the graphics suck.. and you're just saying that to sound impartial- you know it sucks

3. To effectively counter an argument don't you need an equally strong perspective that addresses the initial point as well? not just "rrrrr your confused... puke puke grovel"

1. I only brought it up cuz you did in the original post

2. I think my sentiment that the graphics suck may have been missed but:
StarCraft graphics are truer to what I want to see than the blocky WarCraft 3 graphics.

3. That was exactly my point I was referring to the people that responded to you, that you seemed to get upset with.

Anyway, I think we're both basically agreeing with each other here. Let me know if you want to play a game of StarCraft sometime, so we can work out our digital aggressions.

[Super Glitcher]

It's been a while- but Starcraft sounds great, I have to spend my spare time this week on my portfolio site so I can quite my crappy job- maybe we can smash sometime next week?

[redJag]

sounds good, I'll have DSL by then so should be logged into AIM 24/7. Shoot me a message (check your PM)