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a2daj · 04:55 PM

New ATI updates.

ATI Displays 4.4
Allows for 3D Override support for ALL Radeon cards (including OEM)

http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/m...plays-4-4.html

ROM update to allow for support of some features in ATI Displays, like VersaVision on Radeon 8500 and 9000 retail cards.

http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/m...msept2004.html

Note: these do not install new graphics drivers for ATI cards so do not expect any performance differences unless you enable various 3D Override options.

Here's Bruno from ATI's desc he posted in AYM:

"The new ATI Displays has just been posted to the driver download pages of all RADEON products, both in Panther and Jaguar sections. This new version adds new features to all RADEON products, both retail and OEM. 3D Overrides are now supported on all RADEON chipsets: Retail, BTO/CTO, Built-In and Mobile. Some new features (for retail) require a ROM Update. The new Mac2TV controls now work on all cards equipped with TV out support - this includes the Apple-supplied 9800 and 9600 cards when used with the Apple G5 Video Output adapter.

A new ROM update package has also just been released for all RETAIL RADEON products. This single installer will update all Built-By-ATI Retail RADEON card products to support the latest features exposed in ATI Displays. They also add support for a wider variety of LCD products and for some boards fix incompatibilities that had previously been reported, along with an assortment of bug fixes. Notable highlights: VERSAVISION display rotation for RADEON 8500 and 9000.

http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html

Bruno "

gbafan · Sep 20, 2004, 05:52 PM

O_o nice! Thanks for the news will have to try them out tonight since WoW is down still

Horsepoo!!! · Sep 20, 2004, 07:54 PM

Versavision for the 8500 was a pleasant surprise.

ATI support is becoming great.

The 8500 was a great purchase...I don't regret replacing the GeForce 2MX by this baby.

V0ID · Sep 20, 2004, 07:58 PM

Anyone try this on a PowerBook? What are the benefits?

a2daj · Sep 20, 2004, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by V0ID:
Anyone try this on a PowerBook? What are the benefits?

You get access to the 3D Override support without resorting to a hack.

ReggieX · Sep 20, 2004, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
The 8500 was a great purchase...I don't regret replacing the GeForce 2MX by this baby.

Yeah, the 8500 is a great card. I just wish my flashed one didn't sparkle so much in Halo, but, hey, whadya gonna do.

Lateralus · Sep 20, 2004, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by ReggieX:
Yeah, the 8500 is a great card. I just wish my flashed one didn't sparkle so much in Halo, but, hey, whadya gonna do.

Is it a Built-By-ATI card or a 3rd party card?

I had been using a flashed Radeon 8500 64MB by ATI and it was perfect.

ReggieX · 11:53 PM

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
Is it a Built-By-ATI card or a 3rd party card?

It's a Sapphire. Halo's really the only one that's been giving me trouble, but I haven't had much time to check others out. Even Carmageddon 2 looks great (except for the menus) in Classic with 3DfxGlideLib.

EDIT: old ROM was 126, now updated nicely to 227

ReggieX · Sep 21, 2004, 08:10 PM

Cool, the new ROM fixed my sparkly Halo problems.

redJag · Sep 21, 2004, 10:30 PM

My powerbook has the mobility radeon 9700 which is not listed.. is it supported via the radeon agp listing or not supported at all?

a2daj · Sep 22, 2004, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by redJag:
My powerbook has the mobility radeon 9700 which is not listed.. is it supported via the radeon agp listing or not supported at all?

Check out the release notes (link available from the Displays link in the first post). It has the answer to your question and possibly ones you haven't thought of..

arekkusu · Sep 22, 2004, 05:19 AM

I'm very happy ATI updated this to work on the OEM laptop chips. Works well on my PowerBook with Radeon9600; now I can fix all those games which refuse to offer a VBL sync option.

Drakino · Sep 22, 2004, 01:33 PM

Wow, nice job ATI Mac team. The controls are uncluttered, and work automaticially when you run a game. No need to manually set a profile.

Go brag about that to the PC side folks who just released that hideous .net monstrosity that still can't automaticially set a profile when I launch a game.

Jim Paradise · Sep 22, 2004, 03:31 PM

Well, FSAA Super slows down the Command and Conquer Generals demo considerably, but the other options work very well when FSAA is disabled!

I'll have to try Call of Duty with it later.

a2daj · Sep 22, 2004, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
Well, FSAA Super slows down the Command and Conquer Generals demo considerably, but the other options work very well when FSAA is disabled! I'll have to try Call of Duty with it later.

That's an unfortunate side effect of Supersampling AA. While it's arguably a better looking technique (it can help reduce the impact of the Moire effect on textures) than Multisampling AA it's a tremendous bandwidth hog. Newer Radeon cards can use Multisampling AA which uses less bandwidth (typically only affects the edges of polygons rather than the entire image) and thus allows 6xFSAA up to 1600x1200 (and maybe higher resolutions).

Jim Paradise · Sep 24, 2004, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by a2daj:
That's an unfortunate side effect of Supersampling AA. While it's arguably a better looking technique (it can help reduce the impact of the Moire effect on textures) than Multisampling AA it's a tremendous bandwidth hog. Newer Radeon cards can use Multisampling AA which uses less bandwidth (typically only affects the edges of polygons rather than the entire image) and thus allows 6xFSAA up to 1600x1200 (and maybe higher resolutions).

Thanks for the tech info.

It didn't hinder Call of Duty nearly as much as the demo for CnC.

Brad Oliver · Sep 24, 2004, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by arekkusu:
now I can fix all those games which refuse to offer a VBL sync option.

Which are those?

arekkusu · Sep 24, 2004, 11:07 AM

Well, there was this Spider Man demo the other day... :/