[Dakar the Fourth]

I'd blame Nintendo. It appears they added just enough storage to fit their needs. How would this be the developers fault?

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Well Harmonix has stated that it's Nintendo's fault there's no online play or DLC, and that the console wasn't powerful enough to handle some of the features of the other systems.

I'm not surprised they blame Nintendo. Now...ive never worked for a publishing house, so like... was it Nintendo's responsibility to develop the DLC and online play features of this third-party(third rate) developer ?

Last i checked other third parties are offering online play(MoHH, GH3, etc.. ) and DLC(VC and WiiWare) to the Wii ... am i to understand that Nintendo developed those features for them ?

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

I'd blame Nintendo. It appears they added just enough storage to fit their needs. How would this be the developers fault?

Well you can blame Nintendo for not having the AMOUNT of storage you want, and i too think that 512MB(even with SD expansion) is a little small for a 4 year lifecycle. But storage is there and RBWii could have had DLC IF THE DEVELOPERS INCLUDED IT (as well as online play, since it is free on the Wii) Nothing about the console's design would prevent someone from downloading or playing online, unless of course each DLC item for RB is over 512MB. thats my opinion on the matter.

And also, the Wii version is identical in everyway to the PS2 version, so it's apparent that it is a dirty port, with no additional features to take advantage of the Wii. if the developer doesn't program the possible enhancements into the product, why is that Nintendo's fault ?

Nintendo put out a platform with storage and a Wireless internet connection. If you ask me Nintendo's done it's part.

[starman]

Nintendo did NOT include an ethernet port. I don't use wireless for gaming. I want as big of a fat pipe as I can. They also included crappy storage.

So it seems to me that Nintendo did their HALF ASSED part.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

Well you can blame Nintendo for not having the AMOUNT of storage you want, and i too think that 512MB(even with SD expansion) is a little small for a 4 year lifecycle. But storage is there and RBWii could have had DLC IF THE DEVELOPERS INCLUDED IT (as well as online play, since it is free on the Wii) Nothing about the console's design would prevent someone from downloading or playing online, unless of course each DLC item for RB is over 512MB. thats my opinion on the matter.

It's poorly informed. Each RB song is roughly 20-30 MB. At 25 MB that's 20 songs and your storage is already full. RB has been releasing 3 or more songs per week since its release in November, with plans for at least two full albums. We're nowhere close to what you'd need, even if you only like 1/2 of the songs released thus far.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by starman 

Nintendo did NOT include an ethernet port. I don't use wireless for gaming. I want as big of a fat pipe as I can. They also included crappy storage.

So it seems to me that Nintendo did their HALF ASSED part.

if 802.11b speeds do not provide sufficient bandwidth from your console to your router for a game to be played online, there is something wrong with the game, not the connection nor the console. ive been playing(very sparingly, cause im not a hardcore gamer) online games on my Mac via WiFi and they all performed just fine.

As far as storage, i agree that 512Mb is small, especially since each VC game is not just the 'ROM', but the actual program to run the 'ROM' as well (which makes them quite big). That being said.... Excite Truck, a launch game for the Wii, had no problem accessing the SD card to load MP3 files for in-game music. and last i checked the SD cards support 2GB.

So while 512 is small, if you wanted to download DLC content for RBWii, you could (being the gamer nerds you are) pick up a 2GB SD card, and download quite a lot of content....... that is assuming the RBWii guys had actually put the effort into develop it (instead of delay the release with no additional features over the PS2 version).

Like i said, this is a prime example of lazy developers, bringing too little too late to the table. And of course they wont take responsibility...it would be a PR mess, so lets blame Nintendo, eventhough the system provides a wireless internet connection with bandwidth greater than most home broadband connections in the U.S. (wired), and storage expandibility that was taken advantage of by launch titles!

No, it was the RBWii guys fault for not including these features, not Nintendo. if a company releases crap on a platform by not developing key features, while other companies release products with those missing features on the same platform, you cannot blame the platform for the bad product. think about it for awhile.

[starman]

OMG you're such an apologist. You're putting the responsibility on the CONSUMER to drop extra money on more storage rather than blaming Nintendo for not keeping up with modern consoles in the first place.

And on top of that, you NEGLECT to mention the fact that Nintendo didn't put hard drive storage in their machines in the first place. The reason? Their own stupid shortsightedness.

So, let's keep score:

MacNN gamers who said the Wii should have HD: 1, Nintendo: 0
MacNN gamers who said that the Wii should have more storage: 1, Nintendo: 0
MacNN gamers who said the Wii should have ethernet: 1, Nintendo: 0

So that's a score of 3-0, favoring smart MacNN readers who can now say "told you so".

[Hawkeye_a]

jeeze.... since you put it that way, i better run out and buy a XB360 or PS3 because a Wii+2GBSD card is so inconveniently expensive lol.

Oh and most of us 'dupes'(about 2-3X the installed base of the competitors) who bought a Wii didn't have a problem buying SD cards for our cameras, so im sure we can figure out how to buy and put an SD card into a Wii.

Im not a Nintendo apologist just because i can make a clear distinction from who made the console with an internet connection and storage options, and the company which wrote the software that does not support either of those features.

PS>> Thats all i have to say about that. im not into rhythm games anyway, let alone half-assed ports of rhythm games from lazy developers.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Where can I find the console numbers for just the US? Google didn't give me any obvious (or current) links.

[starman]

I found them on Neowin in the gaming section. I have no idea why US numbers are always so hard to find.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Thanks, checking now...

[Hawkeye_a]

Next Generation - Interactive Entertainment Today, Video Game and Industry News - Home of Edge Online

Check out the above. they usually publish NPD and other data and analyze it as well. they seem reputable.

As far as the U.S., i think someone estimated that the Wii will overtake the XB360 before the end of summer 08 or something (dont quote me). worldwide, im sure the Wii is ahead.

Cheers

[Dakar the Fourth]

The most current thing I could find this.



Edit: WHile I agree the Wii is on pace to pass the 360, I could see GTA getting in the way of that happening by summer. What big games are left for the Wii to release?

[Dakar the Fourth]

Ah, even better:

[Hawkeye_a]

-Well BR-DVD just won, so thats going to lead to some slowdown of XB30 sales imo.

-Nintendo's got Wii Fit for the casuals (im not into it), which i am sure will move a lot of consoles. (predictions of 700k unit sales this month and next). And Mario Kart Wii (which will be my first home console Mario Kart (it's got 12 player online play, i wonder how they managed that without a wired connection, care to comment starman?)). WiiWare is coming up as well. and those are just the first party efforts from now to the end of summer.

-The XB360 has yet another 'killing simulator'(GTAIV) to add to it's already large library of the like, which is fine, i know GTAIV resonates with the core XB360/PS3 audience. Will it move consoles ? or will it be like Halo3 where mostly existing XB360 owners picked it up (ie will it be a console seller?). I remember when Halo3 launched...i was expecting it to be a major console pusher, but it garnered a pretty insignificant lead over the Wii for that month (i dont remember the exact numbers). The question is... does the XB360 have any console sellers coming out to match Nintendo's first party efforts ?

PS>> Dakar, those graphs represent U.S. sales only, correct ?

[Dakar the Fourth]

What's the killing simulator?

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

Ah, even better:

Funny thing is 70% of the people I know with wii's are girls who have never owned a game system before.

Out of all the people I know with a wii 90% of them never play it except for the first week they got it or when friends are over. Also none of them have bought more than 1 or 2 games tops.

Everyone I know with a 360 liked it but now are also lusting for a PS3.

All the PS3 owners I know are happy strangely enough but some also have a 360.

The wii might be the hot selling system right now because it is cheap as hell and a good party system but in terms of games or 3rd party titles it is close to gamecube territory. Not to mention it is beyond pathetic you still can't find a system in stores after all this time. I mean how hard is it to make 5 year old tecnology and still not get enough in stores a year after the fact. Every store I talked too said they get 5 systems at a time and they sell out right away so it isn't like Nintendo is shipping them 500 a shot and they sell overnight.

I know down the road the PS3 will outsell the 360 for sure and the wii will level off as the trendiness is fading.

The game I look most forward too this year are on the PS3 like little big planet.

The only game I am buying for my Wii over the next year will be Mario Cart and it has NOTHING new to it other than motorbikes that act the same as cars and a plastic wheel that makes driving harder but different.