[Dakar the Fourth]

The one where Nintendo manufactures a console no hard core gamers have any long term interest in, then proceeds to sell boatloads.

[Luca Rescigno]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Again, we have Luca (PS3 owner) and I (360 owner) in complete agreement.

In what twisted world are Sony and MS fans on the same side?

Actually I'm a 360 owner as well. But I have nothing against the PS3.

To be honest I don't have really much against the Wii either. I don't like it but I don't hate it. What I hate are all the crap games companies are putting out for them. I also take issue with some of Nintendo's positions. I don't like how they take the "people will buy it no matter what we do so let's be lazy" position so often. I'd say that's the main reason behind most of the Wii's limitations and problems - Nintendo has no incentive to improve it, so why bother?

[Dakar the Fourth]

I've never interpreted Nintendo's positions as lazy. More like being old fashioned and arrogant. They don't seem to enjoy advancing technology and features until they have to, controller not-withstanding.

[sek929]

Ahh 360 owner, nevermind then.

I like the Wii too, but I have enough time for one console, and if I only had a Wii I'd lose my mind.

[sek929]

Dammit Dakar, stop time-traveling!

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Luca Rescigno 

I think it's weird that you criticize the PS1 for introducing load times due to the slower optical media while in the same breath defending the Wii, which suffers from the same disc-induced load times as any other console. What, do you think games need to go back to cartridges?

Thanks for the "quazi-civilized" debate here. i hate it when these discussions get heated, and even more when just plain lies are used in arguments.

PS1/N64 era... i wasnt into console gaming at the time, so my experience is based off the few encounters i had in freshman/sophomore year. N64, zelda, conker, goldeneye. PS1, MSG(i think), Tomb raider. Now, the PS1 was the first console i experienced load times on.....horrendous loadtimes. obviously cd-rom speeds and bandwidth within the system were the bottlenecks.

With the latter consoles that used optical media, drive speeds were much faster, and so imo, better suited for the task. i got nothing against optical media, but storage size and cost are not the only issues with media. i love the fact that my DS has 0 load time. And i do appreciate the way developers are trying to hide load times these days.

Any console that deliver 0 load times, no installation, no patching(to force devs to have more rigorous QC), will be awesome. maybe kinda idealistic, but i just like the simple box where you put a game in and start playing.

I would never put the Wii upto the number crunching capabilities of the XB360 or the PS3. But you have to admit that as an industry, the treand is towards SSD over HDD for storage for the reasons i have mentioned.... and storage size is not the only issue at hand. While HDDs have the capacity size advantage, SSDs make up for lack of capacity with speed, reliability, durability, etc... hence we seem to have iPhones and iPodTouches and MacBookAirs(BTO) with solid state memory as opposed to HDDs.

Oh a 'happier' note .... check out the 'Nintendo Channel', im kinda astonished at the quality of the video on there. And it's a shame that sites like Gametrailers or IGn didnt create a portal for the Wii to stram videos(and ads) to. talk about missed opportunities.

Also, if anyone here hasn't tried out WiiWare, check out LostWinds.... wow. just wow.... quite possibly one of the best third party efforts on the Wii thus far (and it's only 40-50MB!!)

Cheers

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

i got nothing against optical media, but storage size and cost are not the issues with media.

Actually it was. Cartridges were more expensive to manufacture, not counting Nintendo's handy-dandy licensing fee. N64 cartirdges were regularly $10 more than PSX games, and with big game releases, I've seen as high as $30 - $40 more (thanks EB).

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

But you have to admit that as an industry, the treand is towards SSD over HDD for storage for the reasons i have mentioned.... and storage size is not the only issue at hand. While HDD has the capacity size advantage, SSDs make up for lack of capacity with speed, reliability, durability, etc... hence we seem to have iPhones and iPodTouches and MacBookAirs(BTO) with solid state memory as opposed to HDDs.

There's a theme to everything you mentioned: They're mobile. You'll notice good ol' desktop computers and even mainstream laptops still swear by the HDD. That's thanks to storage size as well as cost. So the industry moving towards SDD? Notsomuch. Gaming consoles: not mobile. Hence why they've made the transition to from SDD to HDD in the past two generation. We're not going back anytime soon.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by Luca Rescigno 

Actually I'm a 360 owner as well. But I have nothing against the PS3.

To be honest I don't have really much against the Wii either. I don't like it but I don't hate it. What I hate are all the crap games companies are putting out for them. I also take issue with some of Nintendo's positions. I don't like how they take the "people will buy it no matter what we do so let's be lazy" position so often. I'd say that's the main reason behind most of the Wii's limitations and problems - Nintendo has no incentive to improve it, so why bother?

I'm in pretty much the same position. I have a 360 and PS3. Used to own a Wii but sold it due to lack of any good games. I don't particularly like nor dislike the Wii itself. It seemed like a fine console when I owned it, just hampered a bit by Nintendo's laziness/arrogance (or whatever you want to call it) with the lack of HD and storage space for my use.

What I *do* dislike are irrational attachments and blind loyalty to a video game company/system, which seems to be a common theme amongst all fanboys (not just Nintendo fanboys). That and the need to prove that one system is better than another. All the systems do things differently - it's all about the games for me. And the Wii just has none that appeal to me at all.

[- - e r i k - -]

Mobile is a platform where the speed/size/cost equation adds up at the moment. Once that is closer to HDDs you'll see that happening for desktop/non-mobile computing as well.

[liviabush]

It seems that xbox360 has more games.

[angelmb]

I think we have reached a loop again… this thread is going nowhere.

[iMac13]

I voted PS3 and XB360.
I own both consoles, but prefer the XB360 over the PS3.

[- - e r i k - -]

Nintendo channel brings interesting statistics:

To wit: did you think people only bought Wii Play for the remote? If so, you're wrong. The Nintendo Channel reports that its data-sharing users have played this game for more then four million hours, averaging nine hours per person. They're actually playing this game! The channel also indicates that people who own or rented Wii Play have played it an average of 9.75 times. So much for the remote theory.

The average amount of total play time, per Wii owner, for GH III is 53 hours and 28 minutes! Yeah. That's impressive. It obliterates Metroid Prime and Wii Sports combined. People put this disc in their Wii, and apparently they do not take it out. I do believe that people like playing Guitar Hero. It is proven.

News: Nintendo Channel Reveals Hard Truths About Wii Play, Boom Blox, More

[starman]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Don't be a ****, and then don't be a fanboy (and I mean that very sincerely). I'm getting kinda sick of constantly reading what you call "facts" over and over again.

How many times do we have to tell Hawkeye to not be a fanboy before he realizes just how stupid his arguments are?

[starman]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

Thanks for the "quazi-civilized" debate here. i hate it when these discussions get heated, and even more when just plain lies are used in arguments.

PS1/N64 era... i wasnt into console gaming at the time, so my experience is based off the few encounters i had in freshman/sophomore year. N64, zelda, conker, goldeneye. PS1, MSG(i think), Tomb raider. Now, the PS1 was the first console i experienced load times on.....horrendous loadtimes. obviously cd-rom speeds and bandwidth within the system were the bottlenecks.

With the latter consoles that used optical media, drive speeds were much faster, and so imo, better suited for the task. i got nothing against optical media, but storage size and cost are not the only issues with media. i love the fact that my DS has 0 load time. And i do appreciate the way developers are trying to hide load times these days.

Poor load times were also due to developers not optimizing where data was on the disc. If you start putting data on the disc willy-nilly, you're going to get poor load times. Crash Bandicoot had very good load times. FF VII had very good load times.

[Hawkeye_a]

Just thought i'd post this as an example of why i appreciate Nintendo and the innovation it brings:

These are screens from the upcoming 'Life'-thing on the PS3, which combines news and weather updates straight to your PS3 console which came out in 2006.



The two following shots are from the news and weather channel on the Nintendo Wii(2006).



A pretty bizzare feature to copy/steal, but i suspect we will see a lot more of it in the coming month. Innovation rules. Photo copiers suck.

Cheers

PS>>Source: Weather, News Feeds Coming to PlayStation 3 | Game | Life from Wired.com

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

A pretty bizzare feature to copy/steal, but i suspect we will see a lot more of it in the coming month. Innovation rules. Photo copiers suck.

Cheers

So, would PS3 owners be better off if Sony ignored this feature and didn't implement it?