[Busemann]

Originally Posted by starman

Huh? Never heard of it.

It came bundled with all Euro and Asia consoles.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Gimme a list, then.

Games, music, web surfing, IM, watching movies, email.

What are the most common things to do with a computer?

Games, music, web surfing, IM, watching movies, email.

Originally Posted by Dakar

For how long?

Mmm, lets say 2 years. That's 7 years longer than the Wii which is 5 years behind in terms of graphics the day it comes out.

Originally Posted by Dakar

You might have me there. Depends how much Blu-ray titles are when they come out.
But then again, what's the point for the average person who doesn't own an HDTV?

You really want to see the sales of HDTV's again? The numbers are extraordinarily high and climbing higher than they expected. Actually as of a year ago there are more HDTV owners than Gamecube owners (so are you saying nobody has a gamecube?). You might want to ask television shows why they bother making 99% of all prime time shows in HD if the average home doesn't own an HDTV.
Not to mention Nintendo demo'd the Wii ONLY on HDTV's. Blue ray isn't just for better picture either, it is storage. You can have an entire 7 seasons of one show on one disk.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Socially Awkward Solo

Games, music, web surfing, IM, watching movies, email.

What are the most common things to do with a computer?

Games, music, web surfing, IM, watching movies, email.

Oh goody. Stuff I already do on the computer I already own.

Originally Posted by Socially Awkward Solo

Mmm, lets say 2 years. That's 7 years longer than the Wii which is 5 years behind in terms of graphics the day it comes out.

Yeah, but this ain't about the Wii.

Originally Posted by Socially Awkward Solo

You really want to see the sales of HDTV's again? The numbers are extraordinarily high and climbing higher than they expected. Actually as of a year ago there are more HDTV owners than Gamecube owners (so are you saying nobody has a gamecube?).

Again, I'm not talking about GameCube. But yeah, I don't think there was a GameCube in a staggering amount of homes.

Originally Posted by Socially Awkward Solo

You might want to ask television shows why they bother making 99% of all prime time shows in HD if the average home doesn't own an HDTV.

Future sales? To give people a REASON to switch?

Originally Posted by Socially Awkward Solo

Blue ray isn't just for better picture either, it is storage. You can have an entire 7 seasons of one show on one disk.

That's awesome. But I ain't gonna pay a premium just to save shelf space.

[Hal06]

So… are going SONY developer kits be cheaper now?

[Hawkeye_a]

Iv read somewhere that the dev kits foe the Wii are cheaper than the dev kits for the PSP.

Oh the "issue" of HD players.... who cares if your getting it at a better price ? ....how many gamers (most of whom dont have HD displayers) would want to pay for it now ?

Its like saying the XBox/Wii will come with a next gen toaster that makes the best toast and, it'll cost $600.

[goMac]

Maybe the bigger question is why would I want to re-purchase the titles I own on high definition disk? It's not like I have to be have a PS3 to play new titles. I can buy current titles and play them just fine on my DVD player without having to drop $600 on a PS3. Why would I drop $600 on a PS3 when I can just play new titles with the player I have?

The PS3 gives no reason to upgrade to Bluray. It's a horrible selling point.

[TETENAL]

I'm pretty sure BlueRay players can play regular DVDs and CDs as well. Wouldn't make much sense otherwise.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

I'm pretty sure BlueRay players can play regular DVDs and CDs as well. Wouldn't make much sense otherwise.

So the question becomes, why do I need a Bluray player to play my DVD's?

[TETENAL]

If you have an HD television and a BlueRay player or Playstation 3, then from then on you want to purchase high definition movies instead of regular DVDs to make use of your expensive setup. Sony speculates that within the lifetime of the console more people will have HD televisions the the Playstation therefore becomes more attractive than the SD competition. I myself plan to purchase an HD television set in 5 years, and I will pick up a PS3 for €150 with it.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

If you have an HD television and a BlueRay player or Playstation 3, then from then on you want to purchase high definition movies instead of regular DVDs to make use of your expensive setup. Sony speculates that within the lifetime of the console more people will have HD televisions the the Playstation therefore becomes more attractive than the SD competition. I myself plan to purchase an HD television set in 5 years, and I will pick up a PS3 for €150 with it.

Why would I want to pay $600 now to play high dev movies later? If where titles that I could only get on high def, maybe I'd consider it. But I can continue buying movies without having to pay the $600 Sony tax. I plan on getting an HD set for my next set too, but I don't plan on buying a high def player for my next player, simply because I want something nice for the next 5 years that won't get cut of in the HD cut off date. The only HD device I plan on getting is the XBox 360.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by goMac

Why would I want to pay $600 now to play high dev movies later?

I didn't say "now", I said in five years when HD-TVs are affordable and the price of the PS3 dropped to €150.

Notice how the PS and PS2 had a 5 years lifespan. Sony is planning ahead with the PS3. In 5 years when Microsoft and Nintendo have to develop yet another console generation for the HD demand that might be there at that time, Sony is already there. That is the time when they will cash in.

[goMac]

God, Sony is at it again:

"PS3 Could Allow Users to Install OS X"
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/06/09.5.shtml

Funny, maybe someone should tell Sony how Apple would not appreciate this.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

I didn't say "now", I said in five years when HD-TVs are affordable and the price of the PS3 dropped to €150.

Notice how the PS and PS2 had a 5 years lifespan. Sony is planning ahead with the PS3. In 5 years when Microsoft and Nintendo have to develop yet another console generation for the HD demand that might be there at that time, Sony is already there. That is the time when they will cash in.

I really doubt the PS3 will be around in 5 years. Sony has said that with every other console, and it's never been true. The GPU in the PS3 will be horrible 5 years from now, and you can bet we'll see another Playstation by then.

[Hawkeye_a]

I read a Kutaragi(or whatever)....interview where he's positioning it more as a PC as well...and the *idea* of regularily upgrading the platform has crossed their minds. so imagine a "new" PS3 coming out every year with better graphics card and CPU...faster drive, etc.

Not too appealing to me, cause when i buy a gaming console its an investment for 3-5 years and thats the end of the story. the prosect of upgrades might suit PCs and hardcore gamers, but not me.

Cheers

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

I read a Kutaragi(or whatever)....interview where he's positioning it more as a PC as well...and the *idea* of regularily upgrading the platform has crossed their minds. so imagine a "new" PS3 coming out every year with better graphics card and CPU...faster drive, etc.

And magically they'll also claim the PS3 is built to last five years, while they keep upgrading it and the game requirements get higher!

Sony's marketing department at it's best.

[Busemann]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

I read a Kutaragi(or whatever)....interview where he's positioning it more as a PC as well...and the *idea* of regularily upgrading the platform has crossed their minds. so imagine a "new" PS3 coming out every year with better graphics card and CPU...faster drive, etc.

Not too appealing to me, cause when i buy a gaming console its an investment for 3-5 years and thats the end of the story. the prosect of upgrades might suit PCs and hardcore gamers, but not me.

Cheers

They'll no doubt update the HD every year, since 60GB doesn't give a lot of headroom. They'll also fine-tune [ie: re-work] the motherboards within the system to reduce the size and/or costs or going to a smaller die size in order to cut costs & reduce heat, etc... (Nintendo did this 3x with the Gamecube, Sony 12x with the PS2 and Microsoft 7x with the original Xbox). They'll probably update the BluRay drive as well, so that it can burn discs. What I doubt they'll do is change the specs of its core components (The Cell and RSX) so that users will be forced to upgrade. But at this stage no one knows.

And magically they'll also claim the PS3 is built to last five years, while they keep upgrading it and the game requirements get higher!

Sony's marketing department at it's best.

Even if I doubt Sony will actually do this--they often pitch new ideas prior to the launches just to get feedback and gauge consumer reaction--it has been done before. With the Nintendo 64, you had to get extra RAM in order to play games like Perfect Dark.

I really doubt the PS3 will be around in 5 years. Sony has said that with every other console, and it's never been true.

Of course it'll be around five years from now. The PSone had a shelf life of close to ten years, and the PS2 is still selling extremely well even six years after launch. If history serves as a lesson, then the PS4 is 6 years away at the earliest

[Hal06]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Iv read somewhere that the dev kits foe the Wii are cheaper than the dev kits for the PSP

One can access to Wii dev kits for 1/10 the cost of PS3 or xbox360 dev kits.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Busemann

Of course it'll be around five years from now. The PSone had a shelf life of close to ten years, and the PS2 is still selling extremely well even six years after launch. If history serves as a lesson, then the PS4 is 6 years away at the earliest

Shelf life? That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about how long before it's replacement is put out on the market. I still see N64's for sale at some places. That doesn't mean I consider the n64 alive and kicking.