[goMac]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

For anyone who gets off on this sort of thing you can see the whole GoMac Hawkeye collection here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonquil...7594173416441/

For me that would have been the Genesis bathtub collection. Missed out on the whole NES thing, sorry.

[Hawkeye_a]

Some new red steel pics......

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...0546_0_big.jpg
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...0547_1_big.jpg
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...0548_2_big.jpg

Now.... not that it matters a whole lot, but the resolution seems to be 1200X900... can one of u HD freaks explain to us if this is HD or not ?

Cheers

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Some new red steel pics......

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...0546_0_big.jpg
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...0547_1_big.jpg
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...0548_2_big.jpg

Now.... not that it matters a whole lot, but the resolution seems to be 1200X900... can one of u HD freaks explain to us if this is HD or not ?

Cheers

mmmmmm It's in the range of an HD resolution, but it's not a real HD resolution. HD is either x480, x720, or x1080. x900 is definitly HD sized, but it's not one of the HD resolutions.

[amacgenius-30]

I think anything but the overpriced, linux based, piece of PS3.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by amacgenius-30

I think anything but the overpriced, linux based, piece of PS3.

Ya everyone hates power and linux.

[Hawkeye_a]

Severed Hand.. just a question off topic...... are all the "Star Wars" nicknames in here you ?

[tboparis]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Why ignore the issue that games on the Wii are indistinguishable from GC games? Just look at Mario.

Because nintendo is focusing itself on gameplay and not graphics. Gameplay is an evolution graphics are not and i'm happy that nintendo is focusing on the right stuff. BTW i had faith in ps3 until they revealed it, then my esteem for playstation dissapeared (it almost looks like an Xbox. However i can't believe anyone could have voted for that big, ugly, heavy, horrible XB360

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Severed Hand.. just a question off topic...... are all the "Star Wars" nicknames in here you ?

90% are yes. NOT vader005 or whatever or that Obi Wans ghost.

[Chuckit]

Dark Helmet is SWG too.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by tboparis

Because nintendo is focusing itself on gameplay and not graphics.

Gimmie one reason you can't have both.

Are you saying the Xbox and PS2 are popular because they look hot but but are unplayable?

Every last video game review I have ever seen mentions graphics but doesn't not concentrate on them unless they have flaws. Ugly games have got good reviews and pretty games have got good reviews.

Look at what Nintendo fans have to say about RE4. "It is the best LOOKING game for the gamecube", etc. They don't say it is the best PLAYING game or the most fun. It is also considered the best game for the system.

Halo 2 is the most popular Xbox game, it looks ok but no way are people just buying that game to look at how pretty it is. No reviews say get this game because it looks cool. They all like the game because it looks good and is fun as hell to play.

Nintendo fans were all about how cool games look, how much more powerful the gamecube is over the PS2, how the gamecube can pump out 480p yadda yadda. The second the Wii was announced and there were rumors it was underpowered next to other systems it suddenly morphed into "Nintendo is concentrating on gameplay not graphics".

Bull. Nintendo is concentrating on making money and they damn well know they can't compeat with the PS3 or Xbox on a technical level. The know the only way they can makeup for the horrible gamecube is to keep it really cheap next to the other systems.

They tried the graphics battle with the gameCube and N64 and LOST. The gameCube was much more powerful than the PS2 but the PS2's games look a world better than any gameCube title even RE4.

I don't care if sony or microsoft make or loses money. All I want is a good system with good games and it will deliver, the 360 already has.

Graphics are damn important. If quality wasn't important than HD TV's wouldn't be selling in number higher than the gamecube did. People want stunning pictures.

It is about immersion. Nintendo is trying to create immersion with gestures, good for them.

Sony and Microsoft are creating immersion with graphics and physics that are so real you forget that you are sitting infront of a TV. I had so much adrenaline pumping when playing a horror flick game because it looked and sounded so real it scared the life out of me. Personally if the graphics looked at bad as red steel but I was waving a remote control in the air it wouldn't have effected me as much.

[wanderer]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Some new red steel pics......

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...0546_0_big.jpg
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...0547_1_big.jpg
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...0548_2_big.jpg

Now.... not that it matters a whole lot, but the resolution seems to be 1200X900... can one of u HD freaks explain to us if this is HD or not ?

Cheers

That looks pretty much like Deus Ex from years ago. I know gameplay is important, but I'm really not impressed with those graphics at all.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Gimmie one reason you can't have both.

Are you saying the Xbox and PS2 are popular because they look hot but but are unplayable?

Every last video game review I have ever seen mentions graphics but doesn't not concentrate on them unless they have flaws. Ugly games have got good reviews and pretty games have got good reviews.

Look at what Nintendo fans have to say about RE4. "It is the best LOOKING game for the gamecube", etc. They don't say it is the best PLAYING game or the most fun. It is also considered the best game for the system.

Halo 2 is the most popular Xbox game, it looks ok but no way are people just buying that game to look at how pretty it is. No reviews say get this game because it looks cool. They all like the game because it looks good and is fun as hell to play.

Nintendo fans were all about how cool games look, how much more powerful the gamecube is over the PS2, how the gamecube can pump out 480p yadda yadda. The second the Wii was announced and there were rumors it was underpowered next to other systems it suddenly morphed into "Nintendo is concentrating on gameplay not graphics".

Bull. Nintendo is concentrating on making money and they damn well know they can't compeat with the PS3 or Xbox on a technical level. The know the only way they can makeup for the horrible gamecube is to keep it really cheap next to the other systems.

They tried the graphics battle with the gameCube and N64 and LOST. The gameCube was much more powerful than the PS2 but the PS2's games look a world better than any gameCube title even RE4.

I don't care if sony or microsoft make or loses money. All I want is a good system with good games and it will deliver, the 360 already has.

Graphics are damn important. If quality wasn't important than HD TV's wouldn't be selling in number higher than the gamecube did. People want stunning pictures.

It is about immersion. Nintendo is trying to create immersion with gestures, good for them.

Sony and Microsoft are creating immersion with graphics and physics that are so real you forget that you are sitting infront of a TV. I had so much adrenaline pumping when playing a horror flick game because it looked and sounded so real it scared the life out of me. Personally if the graphics looked at bad as red steel but I was waving a remote control in the air it wouldn't have effected me as much.

Well, this topic has been beaten to death...but ill try again....

why not both ? well... thus far...pre-Wii....didnt you have the best of everything on the GameCube ? graphics, controller, sound, load times, etc..... the other 2 had something lacking in at least one aspect. now different people have different priorities when it comes to gaming.....some people are willing to wait 10 minute for a game level to load as long as it looks great...others dont care what it looks like as long as it plays well, etc....

I think a platform company needs to improve everything and not ignore/belittle anything. Sure us Nintendo fanboys like to say how great RE4 looked on the gamecube...but i for one am greatful for the minimal load times, the tight controls and the great sound. The reason GCN owners focus n the RE$ visuals is cause the other fanboys ASSUME that the GCN is graphically lacking....RE4 (and many other titles) proved it wasnt.

So.... why cant you have both ?...shouldnt that be something u ask Microsoft or Sony ? i mean both companies are so ocused oh HD gaming...the XB360 controller is...well othing new just more ergonomic....the PS3 controller is ....a PS2 controller with a hacked-on-motion-sensing-trait, which is a rather pathetic tribute to the Wii's controller.

Nintendo didnt say the Wii's graphics wernt better....they are better than anything last generation (PS2,XBox, GCN)...but they also give you the "other" aspects.... asthetics, backwards compatibility, price, control..... neither the XB360 or PS3 can claim to deliver all those things in one console.

So yeah.....if the Wii were to have HD graphics...ud loose the price advantage....and seeing as how people(not us nerds) have been bored to death about visuals and HD.....i think price, control and asthetics would take a priority over more polygons.

As far as gaming magazines..... well if there ever was a niche industry it's technology and technology journalists more often than not just patronize their own agendas and preferences, usually excluding "the rest of us"....thats why, most computing magazines have nothing good to say about the Mac and most video-editing, desktop pubishing and audio-type magazine can only praise it.

I wouldnt rely on the opinions of other nerds to determine what fun n whats not....usually the people who contribute to these sites are so tied up in their niche mentality that they forget that theres a whole lot of people out there who dont know what a polygon is, dont care how many megahertz a processor is and couldnt care less about reslutions and megabytpes at the end of the day. they are the equivalent of the people writing technoogy journals when the mouse came out and all they could pick on was the fact that it was called a "mouse" (sound familar?).

The more i see the way the Wii pointer works..the more im convinced that in the next few years...desktop computing will adopt a similar control scheme which will exploit the 3D accelerated desktop to its fullest. but right now..it's implications on gaming is profound...at least from the testimony of people who have actually used it at e3. so ive gone from being optomistic about its potential to beleive it is revolutionary, just because people who have used it......say it just works.

In all honesty......i hate to resurrect the NDS issue again....but i just got MP: H..... and when the NDS first came out i though it would be a quirky cousin...a console for the non-gamers....having played MP: H using the stylus control....i cant imagine why someone didnt come up with the idea sooner...it's control for FPS is second only to the mouse+keyboard combo. its potential for every gaming genre that exists to those being ceated because of it is massive. i wouldnt besurprised if the PSP2 will come with a touchscreen.

[Hawkeye_a]

Hate to resurrect this thread....but this game on the PS3 just caught my eye.....

I remember i got a GameCube just for Rogue squadron....i love dogfighting......

And now Factor5 is developing a game excusively for the PS3 called Lair..... and they arent developing for the Wii.

And holy smoke....this game looks like a heap of fun...and the visuals are pretty unbeleivable........

[Chuckit]

That game looks visually neat, but if the control scheme is actually as simple as left = attack one thing, right = attack something else, I'm not sure how fun it will be.

[MacMan4000]

After seeing the price of the PS3 im re-thinking my choice...

Will the Wii do HD? If so will it be an HDMI cable or component RGB?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by wanderer

That looks pretty much like Deus Ex from years ago. I know gameplay is important, but I'm really not impressed with those graphics at all.

Eh. To me it looks more like Deus Ex 2.

For the record, I : heart : Deus Ex.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

That game looks visually neat, but if the control scheme is actually as simple as left = attack one thing, right = attack something else, I'm not sure how fun it will be.

I think those controls would be similar to the way it was used in the Rogue Squadron games. you select your objective and your squadron(dragon)-buddies will follow that objective.

But yeah....there's that price issue again....and i wonder if it will look anything like that screenshot on my SDTV. Damn. but it looks like a very very cool game sorta reminds me of that dragonlance book i read ages ago.

[fafling]

Let's hope that Lair isn't just a big Panzer Dragoon rip-off... Sega may not appreciate it.

[yakkiebah]

I'm not sure what i voted for but it wasn't the XBOX360. Well guess what? I bought a 360 last week. Why? Couldn't wait anymore. The 360 is available today and has great gfx. I'm actually quite impressed by a product from M$; good controller, nice interface and online gaming integration works pretty well. Since my favorite genre in gaming is tactical shooters i maybe should have gotten a PC but i don't like PC's; too expensive for just games and too bulky. Besides i can play these games on an Intel Mac when i have one.

So far i'm very happy with G.R.A.W, Battlefield 2 and Burnout revenge.

[ink]

I see 360's all over the place now. Both of my brothers each bought one after Sony released the pricing on the PS3 (they both also have powerbook/macbooks).

[ort888]

That Lair pic is not a screenshot... it's a target render. Big difference.

Also, just for the record, Resident Evil 4 is both the best looking, and the most fun Gamecube game. Sometimes you can have both.

I'm somewhere in the middle on this debate. I like good graphics, but the fact that the Wii is as powerful as a Cube doesn't actually bother me that much. I'm more worried about the controller working well. E3 reports were too mixed for me to consider it a launch buy at this point.

I want to wait and see how the public responds to it.

[ajprice]

There's a lot of talk at the moment obout whether the 360 is going to get a price cut/bigger hard drive/built in HD-DVD and HDMI in an update or additional model soon. I am interested in getting a 360, but I'm wondering what the consensus is here of when to get one, now or near PS3 time?

The downer at the moment for me is that I have my 17" sony monitor with a Logic3 switcher box as the screen for it (I have my PS2 plugged into this and to be honest its not as good as TV quality. If I had the money I'd get a Dell 2407 and plug the Mac, PS2 and 360 into it, but I'm looking at getting a new mac in the next 6 months and the money can only go so far. All these shiny things and not enough to have it all . Maybe I need to rethink the mac side and replace the G4 with a mini or Macbook instead of another tower...

Anyone know next week's lottery numbers?

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by ort888

That Lair pic is not a screenshot... it's a target render. Big difference.

Whats a "target render" ? i know what an in-game-screenshot and an FMV is. As long as this is real-time using the game's engine, im impressed. if not.... i should have suspected it, given the fakery we've come to expect from Sony

[goMac]

"Remember when we said that Cell yields were in the toilet? Remember the fanboi brigade with more Internet access than either brains or common sense? They howled that it couldn't be true because their ego is staked on the PS3 that they will someday have. It just can't be happening. Well, we wonder if they will believe IBM Semiconductor VPs?"

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32978

Good thing Apple didn't go with the Cell.

[TETENAL]

The Inquirer is just speculating and it doesn't make sense at all. IBM also makes the chips for the XBox, so it doesn't make sense that they get lower yields for Sony than they do for Microsoft.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The Inquirer is just speculating and it doesn't make sense at all. IBM also makes the chips for the XBox, so it doesn't make sense that they get lower yields for Sony than they do for Microsoft.

They're not speculating, they are quoting a IBM VP. Cell yields are below 20%. Also, the Cell is a different chip than the PowerPC used for the XBox.

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by goMac

They're not speculating, they are quoting a IBM VP. Cell yields are below 20%. Also, the Cell is a different chip than the PowerPC used for the XBox.

They're "quoting" an IBM VP. Seems like they "quote" a lot of things (read: usually make **** up). The Inq is famous for being wrong on a good number of high profile things they report. I'd take it with a grain of salt until we see more independent reports saying the same thing (meaning, not linking back to the Inq). Those guys live on FUD sometimes -- I wouldn't put it past them since the Net Kiddies' favorite past times these days includes mindless Sony hating.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Stratus Fear

They're "quoting" an IBM VP. Seems like they "quote" a lot of things (read: usually make **** up). The Inq is famous for being wrong on a good number of high profile things they report. I'd take it with a grain of salt until we see more independent reports saying the same thing (meaning, not linking back to the Inq). Those guys live on FUD sometimes -- I wouldn't put it past them since the Net Kiddies' favorite past times these days includes mindless Sony hating.

...or you could read the link they link to which quotes the IBM VP in interview form. It's the same either way.

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by goMac

...or you could read the link they link to which quotes the IBM VP in interview form. It's the same either way.

Holy damn, they actually quoted something real for once. I retract my statement.

[Hawkeye_a]

Well they CHOSE to go with a more complex design to be able to throw more polys and pixels on the screen. Is it such a surprise that yields are low and prices high ? shheeshh...talk about engineers trying to be business oriented.

Im glad Nintendo's marketing/strategy isnt thinking the way Sony is.

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Well they CHOSE to go with a more complex design to be able to throw more polys and pixels on the screen. Is it such a surprise that yields are low and prices high ? shheeshh...talk about engineers trying to be business oriented.

Im glad Nintendo's marketing/strategy isnt thinking the way Sony is.

Yeah, they're going to lower their marketshare until nobody pays attention to them anymore. Sounds like a great idea.

Honestly, Nintendo does make great stuff, but not being business oriented in even the smallest way won't necessarily cut it in a competitive industry. I'm not saying Nintendo will go away, but I hope when they say they are content with not being first, that they mean it, because that's a big pill to swallow when you see your userbase of each new product smaller than the last.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Obi Wan's Ghost

The Islamo-Icelandic Theory of the White Alien Shape Shifting Jews Who Should Leave Israel ?

V

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by voodoo

V

Wrong thread?

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

...so many times in this thread and ones on GMA950...

Nice strawman. The GMA950 is *the* most pathetic excuse for a graphics accelerator still used in modern machines.

It was made for stupid people who don't know anything about their computer except that 'Dell' is something very good.

V

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by voodoo

The GMA950 is *the* most pathetic excuse for a graphics accelerator still used in modern machines.

It was made for stupid people who don't know anything about their computer except that 'Dell' is something very good.

So? It's put in machines that don't need/aren't targeted for crotch incinerating 3D graphics.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Stratus Fear

Wrong thread?

What I quoted did not only seem like it was in the wrong thread, it didn't have much bearing to this *dimension* either.

Way out there..

V

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Stratus Fear

So? It's put in machines that don't need/aren't targeted for crotch incinerating 3D graphics.

The GMA950 is such crap that it is simply not recommended to play any games. It has no hardware t&l nor video RAM. That turd of a 'GPU' shouldn't be used in any Macintosh.

Boy that is crappy.

V

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by voodoo

The GMA950 is such crap that it is simply not recommended to play any games. It has no hardware t&l nor video RAM. That turd of a 'GPU' shouldn't be used in any Macintosh.

Boy that is crappy.

V

The machines it's in aren't targeted to people who game. I don't know how many times that was established. Most Mac users out there won't give a crap. The only reason we do is because we're a handful of enthusiasts on a minority web forum.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Stratus Fear

The machines it's in aren't targeted to people who game. I don't know how many times that was established. Most Mac users out there won't give a crap. The only reason we do is because we're a handful of enthusiasts on a minority web forum.

Only in your mind. How would you know what people they want to do with their machine?

You must be one of those Apple-apologists.

Simply, the professional machines are bought by people who use them for work. The regular machines by people who surf the web, check their email and *play games*.

People don't buy the MBP or a tower to play games on the Macintosh. What kind of retard would do that?

V

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by voodoo

Only in your mind. How would you know what people they want to do with their machine?

You must be one of those Apple-apologists.

Simply, the professional machines are bought by people who use them for work. The regular machines by people who surf the web, check their email and *play games*.

People don't buy the MBP or a tower to play games on the Macintosh. What kind of retard would do that?

V

I'm not an Apple apologist. I'm just not unreasonable. Apple lays out their products from market research and whatnot. That's what any good company should do. I guarantee you most of the people who have Mac minis don't game, and I'm sure if you wanted to, you could create a statistic to support it. People who want to play games buy consoles. I personally don't know a large percentage of people that play games on PCs, and it wouldn't surprise me if other people had the same experiences.

Apple isn't so stupid. They build what brings the most customers. And it isn't 30 product lines from Dell or features the majority of people don't use and shouldn't spend money on (for the market their targeting with each product, that is).

Considering the MBP is built out well to play games, lots of people buy it for that. I can point you to an entire forum of people that play games on it. If you're calling those people retarded, you might be narrow-minded. The MBP is a hell of a lot better deal for a gaming laptop than some overpriced Alienware machine or such.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Stratus Fear

The machines it's in aren't targeted to people who game. I don't know how many times that was established. Most Mac users out there won't give a crap. The only reason we do is because we're a handful of enthusiasts on a minority web forum.

Ummmm... A huge chunk of students play WoW. I'm sorry, but a Macbook just wouldn't last in my dorm. I can't think of one person who'd buy it, and consider it acceptable it couldn't play games. Take that for what you will, but Macbooks should be a good computer for college students. I find it absurd I have to pay $2000 just to casually play WoW.

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by goMac

Ummmm... A huge chunk of students play WoW. I'm sorry, but a Macbook just wouldn't last in my dorm. I can't think of one person who'd buy it, and consider it acceptable it couldn't play games. Take that for what you will, but Macbooks should be a good computer for college students. I find it absurd I have to pay $2000 just to casually play WoW.

A good chunk of students? I don't really believe that. I can count on one hand the number of people I know that play WoW hardcore and would care about a 20fps framerate on WoW. Besides, a good computer for college students isn't one that can play games -- it's one that gets work done. Most laptops students get don't have decent graphics anyway -- unless daddy's rich, they're not getting some high end machine. That's what I view as pretty typical around college. Your experience might be different, but I don't believe it's typical.

Edit: Friend of mine picked up a MacBook recently, and I asked him about games. His response is that's what a cheap desktop computer is for. Take that as you will, but that's common in my experience.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Stratus Fear

A good chunk of students? I don't really believe that. I can count on one hand the number of people I know that play WoW hardcore and would care about a 20fps framerate on WoW. Besides, a good computer for college students isn't one that can play games -- it's one that gets work done. Most laptops students get don't have decent graphics anyway -- unless daddy's rich, they're not getting some high end machine. That's what I view as pretty typical around college. Your experience might be different, but I don't believe it's typical.

Edit: Friend of mine picked up a MacBook recently, and I asked him about games. His response is that's what a cheap desktop computer is for. Take that as you will, but that's common in my experience.

Funny. I can't think of one male in my dorm that didn't play WoW. I'm not exaggerating. I really can't think of one that did not play WoW on either a casual or hardcore basis.

Even then, these are laptops that can't play say... Harry Freakin Potter. So any elementary school kid with a passing interest in playing games every once in a while won't be satisfied with the Macbook. It's absurd. So... the Macbook market seems to be adults who don't play games.

[TETENAL]

The GM950 is off topic for this thread. Here it is about gaming consoles, so it is a thread for people who don't need a better graphics card in their notebook.

[screamingFit]

For several weeks, I've been thinking of getting a 360. I finally talked myself out of it because there isn't a single game on that platform I want/need to play and instead, spent the money on strippers.

Say what you will, but I think the investment in stripper-time was better than spending money on a 360.

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by goMac

Funny. I can't think of one male in my dorm that didn't play WoW. I'm not exaggerating. I really can't think of one that did not play WoW on either a casual or hardcore basis.

Even then, these are laptops that can't play say... Harry Freakin Potter. So any elementary school kid with a passing interest in playing games every once in a while won't be satisfied with the Macbook. It's absurd. So... the Macbook market seems to be adults who don't play games.

Even most of the iBooks couldn't play a lot of games even passably well. It was ridiculous, by your token, but I still counted far more iBooks than PowerBooks.

Apple seems to disagree with you, and I notice a growing number of the notebooks around, at school too. What I think is absurd is that some random forum people think they know better than Apple. But anyway, I'm done, it's been OT a little too long.

[Stratus Fear]

Originally Posted by screamingFit

For several weeks, I've been thinking of getting a 360. I finally talked myself out of it because there isn't a single game on that platform I want/need to play and instead, spent the money on strippers.

Say what you will, but I think the investment in stripper-time was better than spending money on a 360.

[goMac]

Apparently in addition to Sony having trouble producing the Cell, they're having trouble producing the Bluray drive:

http://www.nextechnews.com/PermaLink...d69598dae.aspx

[Dakar]

Producing the cell was such a Nintendo-like move. And I think they're going to regret it the entire way.

[Stratus Fear]

I still think a wait and see approach is better. People swore up and down that the low yields on the PS2 CPU would cause it terrible launch issues, and it still had a better launch back in 2000 than the 360 did last year. I'll bet that this is a bit overblown by November.