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I really don't care who sells the most, who "Wins" or what the company shares are at. I just want the system to come out with good hardware and good games.
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Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 
I really don't care who sells the most, who "Wins" or what the company shares are at. I just want the system to come out with good hardware and good games.
In other words, you do somewhat care who "wins". The one with the least number units sold often gets shafted on the games.
Originally Posted by the_glassman
Look on the previous page. 
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Originally Posted by Eug
In other words, you do somewhat care who "wins". The one with the least number units sold often gets shafted on the games.
It is chicken and egg as sometimes the reason the system sucks is because it has few games or it can have low hardware sales and good games.
The N64 was like that. Good hardware but few titles.
The Xbox 1 didn't sell that much but it had a lot of great games.
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Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
It is chicken and egg as sometimes the reason the system sucks is because it has few games or it can have low hardware sales and good games.
The N64 was like that. Good hardware but few titles.
The Xbox 1 didn't sell that much but it had a lot of great games.
Well, despite being discontinued a year ago, the Xbox (whose games I didn't really like that much actually) sold more units than the GameCube (which is still for sale).
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Originally Posted by Eug
Well, despite being discontinued a year ago, the Xbox (whose games I didn't really like that much actually) sold more units than the GameCube (which is still for sale).
By 3 million. Hardly a big number.
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Yeah, but there was a large amount of quality Xbox games coming out right up until the end. The cube dried up really quick and was basically 90% dead for the last 2 years of it's life. (During which time the Xbox was thriving)
Also, if I'm not mistaken, didn't the Xbox sell 3 million more worldwide, yet outsold the Cube by quite a bit in the States?
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Originally Posted by ort888
Also, if I'm not mistaken, didn't the Xbox sell 3 million more worldwide, yet outsold the Cube by quite a bit in the States?
Ya I think you're right. Bombed in Japan though.
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Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
We'll see about that. The PS3's design has made it as hard as possible to tap that power.
Sony should have just thrown in a few real processor cores and called it a day and never bothered with the Cell.
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Originally Posted by goMac
Sony should have just thrown in a few real processor cores and called it a day and never bothered with the Cell.
I'm glad that instead they innovated and left the "good enough" approach to Microsoft.
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I dunno, innovation is nice, but with a company who's reputation for making developers lives easy is less than stellar, a move to a new technology didn't fill me with hope.
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Originally Posted by TETENAL
I'm glad that instead they innovated and left the "good enough" approach to Microsoft.
Innovating doesn't count when you make things more difficult, not easier. They could have had the exact same power from a traditional processor design. For example, a Quad Core Core 2 Duo could steamroll the Core, and it wouldn't make life difficult on developers.
I think significantly more than %20 of the PS3 has been tapped. The PS3 is not even the sort of chip design where you can measure what percentage of mhz is being used.
My guess is someone in the marketing department of Sony read about the Cell, decided that it would look cool to be different, and pushed for the Cell to be used in the PS3. A game system is not necessarily the best place for the Cell to be used. Not to mention it has a lot of features missing that hurt performance, features that it's traditional processor brethren have.
Edit: You know what would have been cool, worthwhile, and innovative? Something like SLI or Crossfire. That would have increased performance while keeping life easy on developers.
Besides, how deep of knowledge about the Cell or code do you think someone that high up in the company has?
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Originally Posted by goMac
Quad Core Core 2 Duo could steamroll the Core, and it wouldn't make life difficult on developers.
It also costs a lot more
My guess is someone in the marketing department of Sony read about the Cell, decided that it would look cool to be different, and pushed for the Cell to be used in the PS3. A game system is not necessarily the best place for the Cell to be used.
The Cell was designed by Sony for the PS3. Gaming is what it's made for.
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Originally Posted by TETENAL
It also costs a lot moreThe Cell was designed by Sony for the PS3. Gaming is what it's made for.
Sorta. It was designed by several companies (Sony, Toshiba, and IBM) for multiple uses.
Yes, gaming was to be its primary use early on, but it's also going to be used in consumer electronics, like future TVs. Furthermore, some of the design choices seem to be due to IBM's influence, for scientific computing.
IMO, Sony chose a design like this because it seems well-suited for multimedia applications. However, at least in 2006 and 2007, it doesn't seem to me to be particularly well suited for game design. It's most definitely a powerful chip, but "powerful" ≠ "gaming".
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Originally Posted by goMac
We'll see about that. The PS3's design has made it as hard as possible to tap that power.
LOL. That's EXACTLY what the anti-PS2 people said.
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Originally Posted by goMac
My guess is someone in the marketing department of Sony read about the Cell, decided that it would look cool to be different, and pushed for the Cell to be used in the PS3.
Sony helped make the Cell themselves, Brainiac. They didn't "read about it" in Wired.
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