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icruise · Dec 21, 2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Sony, apparently not understanding their problem, has announced a $2500 version of the PS3:

KUTARAGI PROMISES MORE EXPENSIVE PS3! - The Last Boss

Surely you know the difference between "announcing" a product and the ravings of "Crazy" Ken Kutaragi.

- - e r i k - - · Dec 21, 2006, 06:38 PM

Indeed. I think we need to see this gif again:

mdc · Dec 21, 2006, 06:41 PM

. . . and 2x HDMI to split sound and video output.

Is there such a difference between optical audio and HDMI audio? I have my xbox360, cable, ps2 all pushing optical audio out and it sounds pretty darn good to me.

What will be gained by using HDMI for audio?

jokell82 · Dec 21, 2006, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by mdc

Is there such a difference between optical audio and HDMI audio? I have my xbox360, cable, ps2 all pushing optical audio out and it sounds pretty darn good to me.

What will be gained by using HDMI for audio?

Nothing. It's all digital so there's absolutely no difference.

Eug Wanker · Dec 21, 2006, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

Nothing. It's all digital so there's absolutely no difference.

Uh, it's a HUGE difference.

Optical SPDIF is limited to 1.5 Mbps, and does not support Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, or DTS HD Master Audio. These are all supported by HDMI.

That said, I don't care enough to actually buy a new receiver. Optical is good enough for me for the time being.

itai195 · Dec 22, 2006, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Fun Fact: When anybody other than, like, three people on this forum owns an HDTV, Nintendo can release compatibility then rather than wasting my money now.

You're kidding, right? Plenty of people own HDTVs, and I have a feeling that in the long run Nintendo's decision not to support HD is going to hurt.

Despite that I'm happy with the Wii because, like the GC and the N64, I only bought it to play Nintendo's games. I don't know if that's good enough for most people.

Chuckit · Dec 22, 2006, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by itai195

You're kidding, right? Plenty of people own HDTVs, and I have a feeling that in the long run Nintendo's decision not to support HD is going to hurt.

It's relative. Lacking HD is a bad thing. Costing less than the Xbox is a good thing. I'm not sure getting rid of the bad thing is worth getting rid of the good thing. The vast majority of people, from what I can tell, don't own HDTVs, so it seems sensible right now not to prioritize them.

screamingFit · Dec 22, 2006, 06:17 AM

Thank ****ing jesus on a pogo stick that MS finally wised up that their measly 90 day warranty was a complete pisser. Hoping this is TRUE and considering PS3 and Wii are one year, it probably is...

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/microso...ear-223712.php

Put that extended warranty down! Do not buy that service plan, despite how convincing that slick Gamestop salesperson is! According to the NeoGAF forums, Microsoft will issue the above statement tomorrow, magically transforming your measly 90-day warranty into a powerful 365-day warranty. Let's hope this little Christmas bonus pans out.

jokell82 · Dec 22, 2006, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Uh, it's a HUGE difference.

Optical SPDIF is limited to 1.5 Mbps, and does not support Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, or DTS HD Master Audio. These are all supported by HDMI.

That said, I don't care enough to actually buy a new receiver. Optical is good enough for me for the time being.

That may be a limit of the S/PDIF standard, however the actual throughput of a TOSLINK connection is 125Mbps.

mdc · Dec 22, 2006, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by screamingFit

Thank ****ing jesus on a pogo stick that MS finally wised up that their measly 90 day warranty was a complete pisser. Hoping this is TRUE and considering PS3 and Wii are one year, it probably is...

Rumor: Xbox 360 Warranty Extended To 1 Year? - Kotaku

I really hope that is true because a while after my 90 days my console did the 3 red light thing of death. I freaked out, turned it off, and turned it back on, and haven't seen the red lights since then. The console works fine, but every time I turn it on I think that will be the power on that red lights it.

screamingFit · Dec 22, 2006, 03:31 PM

It's real:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/...tyextended.htm

From the link:

"Our number one priority for the Xbox 360 is customer satisfaction," said Jeff Bell, Corporate Vice President of Global Marketing for Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business.

More like, too many people were getting pissed off and class-action lawsuits were starting. I don't actually think they would of made this change otherwise. If customers were their number one priority, this would of been their warranty from day one.

Eug Wanker · Dec 22, 2006, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

That may be a limit of the S/PDIF standard, however the actual throughput of a TOSLINK connection is 125Mbps.

Irrelevant, since the only viable commercial implementation on consumer equipment is via SPDIF.

ie. On any receiver you can buy at Best Buy or whatever, Toslink = 1.5 Mbps max.

starman · Dec 22, 2006, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Indeed. I think we need to see this gif again:

Why? Not everyone has a poop fetish like you.

goMac · Dec 22, 2006, 08:35 PM

Just was out shopping for Wii controllers this afternoon for presents. The Wii was out everywhere, no one had them. Only Toys R Us had any controllers, and they were down to their last few. Today was a shipment day for the Wii too.

In contrast, Best Buy had large stacks of the PS3. They even moved a bunch to the front door to try to peddle to people as they came in the door. I was in the store for about 20 minutes and they had only sold two by the time I left, so the PS3's were definitely selling, but not like the Wii. I almost bought one but I realized they have no resale value anymore.

Eug Wanker · Dec 22, 2006, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Just was out shopping for Wii controllers this afternoon for presents. The Wii was out everywhere, no one had them. Only Toys R Us had any controllers, and they were down to their last few. Today was a shipment day for the Wii too.

In contrast, Best Buy had large stacks of the PS3. They even moved a bunch to the front door to try to peddle to people as they came in the door. I was in the store for about 20 minutes and they had only sold two by the time I left, so the PS3's were definitely selling, but not like the Wii. I almost bought one but I realized they have no resale value anymore.

2 PS3s in 20 minutes is pretty good.

goMac · Dec 22, 2006, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

2 PS3s in 20 minutes is pretty good.

It's not bad, but it's not as good as the Wii seems to be selling. The same Best Buy got a shipment of Wii's in today and they were already gone.

icruise · Dec 22, 2006, 09:59 PM

I don't think the PS3 or the Wii is sitting on shelves for any significant length of time. I've read a few articles talking about how the Wii is outselling the PS3. Well, that may be true, but they're both selling out as pretty much as soon as they get in stock. The sales figures at the moment are entirely constrained by production numbers. Nintendo has a lot more to stock available to sell. I've never seen either one on store shelves around here, and I've been looking.