[smacintush]

Again, if the developers are going to need time to really harness the power of the PS3, and there are still certain software issues with them, and it's still so early in the next-gen DVD war…HOW IN THE WORLD can you justify paying for the PS3 THIS year?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

By the by, I haven't seen a single PS3 in my Christmas shopping today. Thinking possibly Colin lives in Nintendoton or something.

Well, it's Seattle. So it's either Microsoftdom or Nintendodom. : shrug : We'll see for sure what happens after Christmas. I'm thinking we'll see a large crash in demand.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

Again, if the developers are going to need time to really harness the power of the PS3, and there are still certain software issues with them, and it's still so early in the next-gen DVD war…HOW IN THE WORLD can you justify paying for the PS3 THIS year?

Exactly. That’s what I’ve been saying all along. Some people thing the PS3 will succeed because of Blu Ray, others think Blu Ray will succeed because of the PS3. Different markets, different requirements, different marketing. the PS3 is an overpriced gaming console and an underpriced BluRay player.

It might have the specs on its side, but marketing this thing would be an utter nightmare imo. How do you convince a gamer to spend so much, just because it has a next-gen-movie-format tacked on, when movies usually aren’t on gamers' minds? How do you convince AV enthusiasts to spend less on first gen blu ray hardware, with less AV options than a full blu-ray system, with gaming tacked on, and when no industry standard has been determined as of yet ?

The PS3 as a system, is "inclomplete" to me as a consumer....and overpriced as well. why would i buy a Blu Ray player (or HD-DVD for that matter) when neither format has won(merits of one format over the other, such as support and storage capacity do not ensure it ssuccess) ? why would i buy a the PS3 for HD gaming over an XB360 ? cause of the promice of having preetier graphics ? ptffttt.... that aint gonna fly.

While i recognize that the HD era is upon us, i dont think it will sudenly become the dominant standard, after all, DVD has JUST become the dominant format. prices for HDTVs, even though they have crashed in recent months are still too high for your average consumer, the format war between HD-DVD and Blu Ray has just started, so why would i invest in either when i still havent exploited my DVD collection to it's fullest ? once standards are set and a format has won, thats when ii think it would be the right time to go HD. i dont want to have a loosing format sitting around, when i could have spend that money on winning content instead.

Ill just sit this war through and watch as the HD-DVD and BR-DVD fanboys fight it out to determine who will win the format war, and when one of them wins thats whn ill invest in a HD player.....

Cheers

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Well, it's Seattle. So it's either Microsoftdom or Nintendodom. : shrug : We'll see for sure what happens after Christmas. I'm thinking we'll see a large crash in demand.

It's all about content. we tend to forget that. if AAA titles come out, the system they are for will keep selling like crazy....

I think Nintendo has purposely decided to pase the release of their AAA titles to ensure consistent demand (unlike GCN). Im not sure what Sony is upto, but it seems as though resistance: fall of man, is the only must have game for that system.

PS>> having said that....even if Zelda wasnt released for the Wii, i would have picked one up this weeked cause SMB is out on the Virtual Console (not to mention Sonic 1 as a launch title on the VC as well).

[icruise]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

Again, if the developers are going to need time to really harness the power of the PS3, and there are still certain software issues with them, and it's still so early in the next-gen DVD war…HOW IN THE WORLD can you justify paying for the PS3 THIS year?

While the software lineup of the PS3 is not particularly impressive (and this, along with the price is their biggest problem), the only reason to buy ANY system at launch is for its potential. Even if I didn't need to have one for my work, Sony has enough exclusive titles/developers to convince me to get one. And for people who don't have a next-gen system at all, the current lineup isn't that bad. The main reason that it's unimpressive is that most of the titles are already available for the Xbox 360.

The Xbox 360 is the much better choice right now if you want a wide variety of quality games to play *right now* but my hunch is that most Japanese developers, at least, will be going for the PS3 just as they did with the PS2, and that makes the PS3's future lineup look better than the Xbox's to me.

I suppose I could have waited until next year when the bigger titles are coming out (and I think that's exactly what most people will be doing) but I think there's very little chance of anything like a price drop in the next year and I can enjoy games like Resistance and Blu-ray movies in the meantime, so I personally don't see a reason to wait. Plus, I guess there is an attraction in being one of the first people to have one.

[starman]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Well, it's Seattle. So it's either Microsoftdom or Nintendodom. : shrug : We'll see for sure what happens after Christmas. I'm thinking we'll see a large crash in demand.

Seriously, whose ass do you pull these predictions out of?

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

Im not sure what Sony is upto, but it seems as though resistance: fall of man, is the only must have game for that system.

Yeah, I definitely don't know what Sony is up to, considering that Resistance: Fall of Man won't even display properly from the PS3 on many TVs (like mine, and even some Sony TVs).

Insomniac says it's Sony's fault, and Sony doesn't deny that.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker 

Yeah, I definitely don't know what Sony is up to, considering that Resistance: Fall of Man won't even display properly from the PS3 on many TVs (like mine, and even some Sony TVs).

That is killing you isn't it? I don't think you can mention PS3 without bringing that up each time.

Anyway, usually people with 6 year old hardware don't usually expect the latest and greatest to work the way it does for all the new guys.

[Chuckit]

Actually, I reckon most people do expect video games to work with 6-year-old TVs. It's not uncommon for people to keep TVs around that long.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

That is killing you isn't it? I don't think you can mention PS3 without bringing that up each time.

Yeah, I'm shocked at just how braindead Sony was on this one. I mean this is EXTREMELY basic common sense stuff.

Anyway, usually people with 6 year old hardware don't usually expect the latest and greatest to work the way it does for all the new guys.

Of course they do. I mean, it's not as if asking for 1080i support is an unusual request, especially when 1080i is THE current standard. Personally I think it's odd to expect someone to get a new TV every 5 years. This is especially true for companies trying to market their product to the masses.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by starman 

Seriously, whose ass do you pull these predictions out of?

So far I've usually been right...

[Dark Helmet]

Review of the PS3 as a Blu-ray player.

Ultimate AV: PlayStation3 Blu-ray Disc Player

Sort version. It rocks.

IR hack for the PS3:
CE Pro § How to Control PlayStation 3 with IR

[icruise]

A couple of months ago when Frys.com (aka outpost.com) was having a big sale, I picked up a PS2 DVD remote control on a whim for $0.99. It's made by "Hip Gear" and is basically a piece of crap, but it comes with an IR receiver that plugs into a PS2 controller port. I also have a "Smart Joy" PS2-controller-to-USB adapter that's made for using PS2 controllers on a PC. I just tried plugging the IR receiver into the Smart Joy adapter, and I'll be damned if it didn't work!

Most of the buttons work as they should, and I was able to have complete control over a blu-ray movie as it played back. So it looks like there is no reason whatsoever that Sony or a third party couldn't come out with a device that gives you an IR remote on the PS3.

[starman]

Originally Posted by goMac 

So far I've usually been right...

I'd like to get a ruling on THAT one.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by starman 

I'd like to get a ruling on THAT one.

Called the DS, the PS3's disastrous launch and production issues, and the Wii's popularity. Does anyone seriously think the Wii will be Nintendo's last console now?

Not to mention there was that whole thread where I said Leopard would include something to compete with Vista's Avalon (fortunately there are no performance benchmarks on integrated graphics yet.)

On the other hand, where exactly have you proven me wrong?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

prices for HDTVs, even though they have crashed in recent months are still too high for your average consumer

No kidding. My father and I pooled our funds together to buy my mom an HDTV (which she's really been wanting) for Christmas this year. Even though I was paying only half, I was paying twice the price of a similar-size SDTV. And that was the best deal (as far as price vs. image quality goes) I could find anywhere.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Called the DS, the PS3's disastrous launch and production issues, and the Wii's popularity. Does anyone seriously think the Wii will be Nintendo's last console now?

Um everyone said the same same thing a year ago