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zerostar · Nov 13, 2006, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Bullshit. I turned the wheel, nothing happened for half a second.

Reading this makes me worried about the change in experience, was the wii/sensor behind plastic as they usually are? Mine was out in the open and the sensor below the LCD display.

Let me say I use wireless mice and don't see ANY lag so perhaps I am not sensitive, no lag here FTW.

Jolt21 · Nov 13, 2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Or maybe I just hate the Deku Tree alot.

that tree was a b*tch. tried to burn it down myself with a torch but to no avail

, had to wait till i beat that dam boss.

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 10:56 AM

Wii sports impressions:

Wii Sports Impressions - Kotaku

Jawbone54 · Nov 13, 2006, 10:58 AM

All of this is what is making me delay my decision to get a Wii. If games come out before Spring '07 that are what we have wished for out of the Wii conroller, then we'll talk. I've been wanting one on and off for several months, but I've decided to be cautious.

I'm going to go get Gears of War today (by trading in some older games).

Dakar² · Nov 13, 2006, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

that tree was a b*tch. tried to burn it down myself with a torch but to no avail

, had to wait till i beat that dam boss.

It's not that its hard so much as uninteresting, tedious, and boring.
I'm also not fond of the style of the dungeon.

starman · Nov 13, 2006, 11:03 AM

The controls were out in the open, but under bright flourescent lights.

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 11:07 AM

Nintendo planing DVD playing Wii in 2007

Electronista | Nintendo planning DVD-capable Wii later in 2007

Great so when everyone else is HD-DVD or blueray Nintendo gives us DVD. If you don't care about it now why would you in 6-12 months? Why couldn't it be there from the start?

Dakar² · Nov 13, 2006, 11:12 AM

I've gotta say a DVD playing Wii is so missing the point, particularly if it makes a more expensive one.

Jolt21 · Nov 13, 2006, 11:16 AM

well i dont have a dvd player in my room, so that might've been nice...but i really dont care

zerostar · Nov 13, 2006, 11:17 AM

Yeah, I already have a great Progressive Scan DVD player, if it is more $ it is something I would not want.

goMac · Nov 13, 2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Nintendo planing DVD playing Wii in 2007

Electronista | Nintendo planning DVD-capable Wii later in 2007

Great so when everyone else is HD-DVD or blueray Nintendo gives us DVD. If you don't care about it now why would you in 6-12 months? Why couldn't it be there from the start?

Why would Nintendo slap on a technology that no one is buying anyway?

Unlike Microsoft or Sony, Nintendo has no agenda for pushing either technology.

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I've gotta say a DVD playing Wii is so missing the point, particularly if it makes a more expensive one.

Fine, but why plan to launch one a year from now when even less people will care.

Dakar² · Nov 13, 2006, 11:20 AM

Meh, knowing Nintendo it's probably be a Japan only release anyway.

Dakar² · Nov 13, 2006, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Fine, but why plan to launch one a year from now when even less people will care.

Because some idiot only came up with this idea at the last second, I suppose.

God, it's like having made the N64 VHS compatible. Ridiculous.

icruise · Nov 13, 2006, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Nintendo planing DVD playing Wii in 2007

Electronista | Nintendo planning DVD-capable Wii later in 2007

Great so when everyone else is HD-DVD or blueray Nintendo gives us DVD. If you don't care about it now why would you in 6-12 months? Why couldn't it be there from the start?

How is this information different from what you already posted on page 9 of this thread?

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Cube flashback! Japan is getting a Wii that plays DVDs:

Japan to get Wii with DVD player // GamesIndustry.biz

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

How is this information different from what you already posted on page 9 of this thread?

Perhaps you should read it and figure that out for yourself.

"Although Nintendo has previously confirmed that it intends to produce a DVD-capable console for the Japanese market, the company has until now declined to commit to any particular timeframe"

icruise · 12:57 PM

Thanks for the news flash then. It's just that you've already made your feelings about this clear, so I don't see how the addition of a vague "2007" date makes any difference. When did you expect them to release it? Would doing it in the first half of the year chance your opinion of it?

I maintain that this is going to be a Japan-only release, and the logic behind it is that many people don't want to have a bunch of separate machines in their tiny apartments.

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Thanks for the news flash then. It's just that you've already made your feelings about this clear, so I don't see how the addition of a vague "2007" date makes any difference. When did you expect them to release it? Would doing it in the first half of the year chance your opinion of it?

Sorry what is with this hostility towards me mentioning it?

If you don't see reason to post it you better tell the 5 news sites including the one run by MacNN to not mention it as it isn't newsworthy and has been said.

The reason people are bringing it up again is perhaps they want to wait for that one to ship.

Also the reaction from the media is rather negative. If all the hardware is there why not do it from the start? Because Nintendo didn't want to pay the licensing fee's. Fine, MS did the same with the Xbox but you could just buy the remote and it included the license. MS did lose money on every Xbox so it is understandable but Nintendo just wants to make MORE money from day one. That can only be good for us non-nintendo share holders.

So why doesn't Nintendo make it a software download for $20.

Because they want you to sell your Wii and get a new one next year. Remember they make money from day one so 2 sales is good.

DVD-enhanced Wii hits Japan "latter half of 2007" - Joystiq

icruise · 03:24 PM

I'm hostile because it sounds like you've run out of things to gripe about and are recycling old gripes. How does that article add to the discussion? When you mentioned it the first time, I assumed it would be in 2007. So what?

If Nintendo was going to bring out a new Wii in the US with only the ability to play DVDs added, that would be dumb. But I see no reason to believe that. I think this whole thing is a non-issue.

zro · Nov 13, 2006, 03:17 PM

Who cares and so what? Don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough, yeah. The incessant bitching wore thin long ago.

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

I'm hostile because it sounds like you've run out of things to gripe about and are recycling old gripes. How does that article add to the discussion? When you mentioned it the first time, I assumed it would be in 2007. So what?

I posted it because it is all over the news sites today. If it hurts you in some way skip it but somebody else might be interested.

- - e r i k - - · Nov 13, 2006, 05:29 PM

Can I join the article posting crowd?

Zelda is really good

I took the Wii home over the weekend and was able to put quite a bit of time into Zelda. There was what I would describe as a “bru ha ha” over at Joystiq when one of their bloggers claimed the game was a flop. He cited its terrible graphics as reason enough to dismiss it entirely. The response in the thread afterwards was heated with lots of people claiming that the graphics weren’t as bad as he claimed and that the game actually looked really good. Having played it all weekend I’m here to tell you that’s not the correct response.

See the problem is that he’s partially right. The game doesn't look very good. I don’t just mean it doesn’t look like Gears of War either, I mean it doesn’t even look good for a GC game and let’s be honest here that’s what we’re talking about. I’ve seen beautiful games on the Cube. Crystal Chronicles, Wind Waker and Resident Evil 4 were all incredible looking games. Twilight Princess can’t really compare to any of them. So he’s right about that, what he’s wrong about is everything else.

Even though the game doesn’t look all that great, it’s still Zelda and it’s ****ing awesome. Our crew plays Gears of War every night and I had a hard time putting down my remote and nun chuck to join them. 1up has a minute by minute write up of the first ten hours of the game which seems ridiculous to me. I don’t know why you’d want to ruin such a great experience and it’s really not necessary. Maybe that’s that new games journalism I’ve heard so much about. Here’s everything you need to know about Twilight Princess:

-Playing Zelda with the Wii controller is super fun.
-The game play is a blast.
-The story is great.
-You’ll never even think about the graphics while you’re playing it.

I recommend avoiding any of the extensive write ups about the game. I’m serious, Twilight Princess is too good to ruin it that way. Just wait a few more days and experience it for yourself.

-Gabe out

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 05:48 PM

icruise don't read this.

"Today Nintendo has confirmed that it is indeed being released stateside. Not only that, but it'll cost more! Hooray!"

"Nintendo of America's Public Relations Manager Matt Atwood said that a price has not yet been determined, but that the DVD-enabled Wii would come at a higher price than the standard Wii console ($249) because of the "extra cost required to implement DVD playback."

North American Wii-VD Confirmed for 2007 - Kotaku

icruise · Nov 13, 2006, 06:01 PM

Well that's dumb. See, we can agree sometimes.

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Well that's dumb. See, we can agree sometimes.

Can you think of any reason they don't add it from launch?

I can.

P.S. I told ya not to read it.

icruise · Nov 13, 2006, 06:28 PM

You said yourself that people don't care much about DVD playback, so I can't imagine that Nintendo would think that this would somehow entice people to buy a Wii.

goMac · Nov 13, 2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Can you think of any reason they don't add it from launch?

I can.

P.S. I told ya not to read it.

Even if they did add a DVD player to it at launch, you'd never use the DVD player, so why the hell does it matter to you?

Gamoe · Nov 13, 2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

icruise don't read this.

"Today Nintendo has confirmed that it is indeed being released stateside. Not only that, but it'll cost more! Hooray!"

"Nintendo of America's Public Relations Manager Matt Atwood said that a price has not yet been determined, but that the DVD-enabled Wii would come at a higher price than the standard Wii console ($249) because of the "extra cost required to implement DVD playback."

North American Wii-VD Confirmed for 2007 - Kotaku

That's pretty silly, and I won't be paying extra for one, even if it comes in another color...

goMac · Nov 13, 2006, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Gabriel Morales

That's pretty silly, and I won't be paying extra for one, even if it comes in another color...

I won't buy one either. I'll be buying a Mac Mini/iTV for my media center.

That said, I also don't have any reason to whine about the lack of a DVD player which I was never interested in in the first place, and it doesn't ruin the Wii for me at all.

MattJeff · Nov 13, 2006, 06:39 PM

i Like DVD playback option.

zerostar · Nov 13, 2006, 06:41 PM

I see options as a good thing, and why should we expect N to run their business like MS at a loss? This is there main business and I for one would like them to stay in it.

If you sell your Wii to get the DVD Wii you are a retard.

I have officially decided on a Wii after playing it now, so hopefully there will be one available for me on the 19th ^_^

icruise · Nov 13, 2006, 06:44 PM

Well, I'm sure everyone likes it in the sense that it might be nice to have as an extra, but to expect people to pay for it, or to make an entire new Wii model with only that as an extra feature seems very ill-advised. Still, I don't think Nintendo is so totally out of touch as to think that this would be a big draw for people, so I'm hoping that there's more to this story than meets the eye.

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by MattJeff

i Like DVD playback option.

Is it true it doesn't even play CD's?

goMac · Nov 13, 2006, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Is it true it doesn't even play CD's?

Yes. But then again, it's probably been 3 years since I've used a CD.

starman · Nov 13, 2006, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Yes. But then again, it's probably been 3 years since I've paid for music.

Fixed.

I buy CDs every week. Not having playback would piss me off.

icruise · Nov 13, 2006, 06:50 PM

Heard of the iTunes music store?

starman · Nov 13, 2006, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Heard of the iTunes music store?

Considering his age, I'd put money on pirating.

goMac · Nov 13, 2006, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Considering his age, I'd put money on pirating.

Nope. Everything is through iTunes. I don't mess around with peer to peer services on my salary.

I even have a season pass to BSG on iTunes.

starman · Nov 13, 2006, 07:06 PM

Why buy through iTunes when the CDs are better quality?

goMac · Nov 13, 2006, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Why buy through iTunes when the CDs are better quality?

I do own a few things on CD. Then I put the CD into iTunes, throw the CD in a drawer somewhere, and forget I even own the CD. But everything is mostly iTunes.

Dark Helmet · Nov 13, 2006, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Heard of the iTunes music store?

Are you suggesting it is better to get compressed music that only works on an ipod and has major copy protection over getting a uncompressed CD that you can do whatever you like with for the same price?

But on that note does the Wii play music from the Applestore?

That aside the thing I love about the xbox 1 and 2 is that you can rip your own CD or play them from a computer to replace the games soundtrack. I do it all the time.

goMac · Nov 13, 2006, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

That aside the thing I love about the xbox 1 and 2 is that you can rip your own CD or play them from a computer to replace the games soundtrack. I do it all the time.

I thought I heard somewhere the Wii could do this with music loaded on it's flash memory or a hard drive...

residentEvil · Nov 13, 2006, 07:48 PM

you are not that ****ing dumb to think itunes music only works on an ipod are you?

residentEvil · Nov 13, 2006, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Are you suggesting it is better to get compressed music that only works on an ipod and has major copy protection over getting a uncompressed CD that you can do whatever you like with for the same price?

But on that note does the Wii play music from the Applestore?

That aside the thing I love about the xbox 1 and 2 is that you can rip your own CD or play them from a computer to replace the games soundtrack. I do it all the time.

and i quoted it; before you change it.

icruise · Nov 13, 2006, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Are you suggesting it is better to get compressed music that only works on an ipod and has major copy protection over getting a uncompressed CD that you can do whatever you like with for the same price?

Are you being intentionally dense? What I am saying is that there are more options than just CDs or piracy. In fact, I'm pretty insulted by starman's comment (although it wasn't addressed to me). Lots of people don't buy CDs and are not pirates.

But on that note does the Wii play music from the Applestore?

Not unless you burn it to a CD and re-rip it.

Hawkeye_a · 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

I thought I heard somewhere the Wii could do this with music loaded on it's flash memory or a hard drive...

Excite Truck does this apparently.

It's obvious that starman and SWG wanted to hate the Nintendo console from the get go... now theyre just nit picking at every single detail and blowing it out of proportions (even though they claim to be "objective")

They both said the DS was "cheap", "low powered" and "gimmicky".... 2 years after their dream console(PSP) and the DS hit store shelves, the market has voted, the critics have voted, and the companies' stock levels have spoken. Their console of choice, the PSP, whos only claim to fame was it's graphics, has found it's home on the shelves of second-hand-stores and the museum of has-beens.

Yet they will defend it, and continue to calim it's the best handheld cause it's a competitor to Nintendo.

Being a Nintendo fan, i have no problem admitting that the PS2 won the last round, cause of it's early release and library when the competitors launched. thats it... it wasnt about graphics or power or 1080i(on 1 or 2 games).

The funny thing is, they seem to scour for articles all over the web for the minutest detail to pick on anything made by Nintendo, and flat out dismiss anything wrong with the PS3/XB360. Admitedly they are probably the hardest of hard core of gamers on these boards (and it shows so clearly). And if a vote for the Wii is a vote against characters like them, im all for it.....

Part of being a mac user is the culture of it all....people who are interested in using computers, as opposed to specs and feed-speeds, etc...im sure thats one of the draws to using a Mac. Remember when the Mac was "slower" than PCs ? it honestly didnt matter to me.... Similarily, one of my draws to the Wii is the fact that these two guys personify the XB360 and PS3 "mentality"...... and if everything was equal, id go with the Wii just to avoid that midset.

Hawkeye_a · Nov 13, 2006, 09:46 PM

"For all the proclamations of doom, for all the dread that a departure from Zelda's traditional controls would break the game, Twilight Princess' Wii functionality is shockingly intuitive, impressively precise, and gloriously playable." Zelda doesn't play at all like a game that had a new control scheme grafted on well into the game's development. The Wii functionality is both intuitive and incredibly beneficial to the game -- frankly, it's difficult to imagine going back to the clumsy GameCube controller after a few hours of time with the Wii version." - 1UP

icruise · Nov 13, 2006, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

The funny thing is, they seem to scour for articles all over the web for the minutest detail to pick on anything made by Nintendo, and flat out dismiss anything wrong with the PS3/XB360. Admitedly they are probably the hardest of hard core of gamers on these boards (and it shows so clearly). And if a vote for the Wii is a vote against characters like them, im all for it.....

Part of being a mac user is the culture of it all....people who are interested in using computers, as opposed to specs and feed-speeds, etc...im sure thats one of the draws to using a Mac. Remember when the Mac was "slower" than PCs ? it honestly didnt matter to me.... Similarily, one of my draws to the Wii is the fact that these two guys personify the XB360 and PS3 "mentality"...... and if everything was equal, id go with the Wii just to avoid that midset.

Well, I think you're over-generalizing there. Overall, I like the PSP better than the DS and I also think the Xbox 360 is great. But that doesn't make me a Nintendo hater.

Hawkeye_a · Nov 13, 2006, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Well, I think you're over-generalizing there. Overall, I like the PSP better than the DS and I also think the Xbox 360 is great. But that doesn't make me a Nintendo hater.

Agreed.... i was over generalizing..... it's just these 2 guys i guess

Gamoe · Nov 13, 2006, 10:55 PM

From this article:

As for the DVD-compatible Wii that will be hitting Japan at some point in 2007, Trépanier was somewhat hazy, admitting that, "There needs to be some internal meetings and discussions about that. What we do know is in North America penetration of DVD players is very close to 100 per cent, and that very few consumers - a very niche market - would ever be interested in paying extra for DVD functionality."

And yet they seem to have decided on a North American launch after-all. And no, it doesn't seem like we'll be able to get DVD functionality from a simple paid software download, even though it's a "software fix".

Also from this article:

Further on the topic of the Virtual Console, the manual confirms that some legacy titles will only be able to be played with the Classic Controller, which contradicts Nintendo's previous indication of GameCube controller compatibility.

What the hell is going on with Nintendo? I must say I've become more concerned, more cautious and a little less enthusiastic lately in regards to the Wii as this type of news has come out. I feel like Nintendo has let us down in some regards.

So we have to buy Classic controllers as well as GameCube controllers if we want to play both Classic as well as GameCube games??!

That "surprise announcement" Nintendo says it has yet to make on launch of the Wii better be pretty special to re-kindle the fire in many a fan who feels let down so far.