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Millennium · Nov 16, 2006, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by starman

My local Gamestop said they'd have more Wiis a few days later. I might get one. I'm still not convinced of the controller. Watching how Zelda is supposed to be played, it looks tiring. All that swinging my arms and sh*t. I go to the gym for that.

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starman · Nov 16, 2006, 11:54 AM

How true. That's what I'm worried about, and that's why I haven't been dying to get a Wii.

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Exercise is a bad thing ?

Dont now about other ppl, but i relax by exercising.....rather than turning into a button mashing zombie in front of a TV.

I'm at the gym 90 minutes a day.

goMac · Nov 16, 2006, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by starman

How true. That's what I'm worried about, and that's why I haven't been dying to get a Wii.

Why? Nothing is stopping you from making small hand motions.

Dakar² · Nov 16, 2006, 11:55 AM

I definitely need to play a run of the mill game on it before I decide.

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

you dont have to move your arm, just the controller

and all reviews have said your arms dont feel anything anyway, i would bet that the reviewers are more of a couch potato and need to work out more than any of us.

What? I call serious bullshit on that. Have you watched the Wii videos? Wii Sports in particular? "Just move the controller"? How do you play tennis, golf, Zelda, and bowling that way?

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

Why? Nothing is stopping you from making small hand motions.

I'd like to see you play Wii Sports that way.

Jolt21 · Nov 16, 2006, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by starman

What? I call serious bullshit on that. Have you watched the Wii videos? Wii Sports in particular? "Just move the controller"? How do you play tennis, golf, Zelda, and bowling that way?

HAHAHAHA

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. keep reading. people choose to play that way, you dont have to at all.

its just like in madden where you can flick the controller, or make the full arm motion. watch the videos on that too

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

HAHAHAHA

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. keep reading. people choose to play that way, you dont have to at all.

its just like in madden where you can flick the controller, or make the full arm motion. watch the videos on that too

I've played a Wii. Have you?

goMac · Nov 16, 2006, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by starman

I'd like to see you play Wii Sports that way.

a) If you don't like Wii Sports don't play it.
b) Every single demo video I've seen of Zelda doesn't require large movements.

Yeah, some games are going to require large movements. The majority won't. And if you don't like making large movements, there is a really easy solution. You ready? Brace yourself....

Just buy games that don't require you to make large movements.

Dakar² · Nov 16, 2006, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Just buy games that don't require you to make large movements.

Well I hope they have ratings for movement required on the back of the boxes.

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

a) If you don't like Wii Sports don't play it.
b) Every single demo video I've seen of Zelda doesn't require large movements.

Yeah, some games are going to require large movements. The majority won't. And if you don't like making large movements, there is a really easy solution. You ready? Brace yourself....

Just buy games that don't require you to make large movements.

a) Where did I say I didn't LIKE Wii Sports? STOP MAKING **** UP.

b) Every single demo I saw of Zelda showed a guy hacking and slashing with the Wiimote.

Jolt21 · Nov 16, 2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by starman

I've played a Wii. Have you?

yes, nintendo world...where they have more than just wii sports and excite truck

i played zelda in teh first couple days they had it

no games require big movements..hell, in wii sports, they dont register power, only timing of the swing in tennis and baseball, so it does not matter

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 12:14 PM

So without big movements, how do you swing the sword? Every demo I've seen of it shows that's how you play it.

Millennium · Nov 16, 2006, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by starman

I've played a Wii. Have you?

We all know you've played Excite Truck. Have you played Wii Sports?

Multiple reviews have already mentioned that you can get by in Wii Sports with small motions. One reviewer even claimed that he was able to do better with small motions than with full motions: something about throws registering as faster.

goMac · Nov 16, 2006, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by starman

So without big movements, how do you swing the sword? Every demo I've seen of it shows that's how you play it.

There is this thing you have called a wrist. It's below your hand.

Hawkeye_a · Nov 16, 2006, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by starman

I'm at the gym 90 minutes a day.

Jens Peter · Nov 16, 2006, 12:42 PM

I've been reading a lot in this thread - and every time I read a new review of the Wii, it just makes me whish that it would be december 8th tomorrow. I'm looking forward to trying it out and hopefully buying one too.
I'm just a casual gamer - I have a old Playstation2 that I play once every week or so, and the high-end graphics on the xbox and PS3 is nice and all, but if the Wii is as fun as the videos online suggest, I'm sure I would not mid.

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

We all know you've played Excite Truck. Have you played Wii Sports?

Multiple reviews have already mentioned that you can get by in Wii Sports with small motions. One reviewer even claimed that he was able to do better with small motions than with full motions: something about throws registering as faster.

The Nintendo rep put it on my local store's system yesterday. CAN you do it with small movements? I guess so. I jumped right into it based on what I saw in the videos. If you CAN, then why are the videos so exaggerated?

Calimus · Nov 16, 2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by starman

The Nintendo rep put it on my local store's system yesterday. CAN you do it with small movements? I guess so. I jumped right into it based on what I saw in the videos. If you CAN, then why are the videos so exaggerated?

Because it gets people excited. What would make a more exciting commercial, someone playing parapa the rappa on a ps1 controller tapping some buttons, or someone playing ddr having a really good time?

Commercials are always exaggerated a bit, but look at the Wii experience videos posted on Nintendo's site of real people playing the Wii. Some use big movements, but the ones playing Zelda are using motions no bigger than say, chopping some veggies with a knife to to sword swings.

Dakar² · Nov 16, 2006, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by starman

If you CAN, then why are the videos so exaggerated?

To appeal to kids, duh.

Dark Helmet · Nov 16, 2006, 01:15 PM

Excite truck review:

IGN: Excite Truck Review

Oh god it has that overheating bit that annoyed the hell out of me in the excite bikes.

icruise · Nov 16, 2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by starman

The Nintendo rep put it on my local store's system yesterday. CAN you do it with small movements? I guess so. I jumped right into it based on what I saw in the videos. If you CAN, then why are the videos so exaggerated?

Commercials exaggerated?! What is this world coming to? You'd think they were trying to make the system look cool and exciting or something.

Jolt21 · Nov 16, 2006, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by starman

So without big movements, how do you swing the sword? Every demo I've seen of it shows that's how you play it.

do you believe everything you see?

you must think magic is real.

goMac · Nov 16, 2006, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

you must think magic is real.

Resisting the urge to post a picture of Gob Bluth...

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

do you believe everything you see?

you must think magic is real.

Nobody's ACTUALLY answered my question (big surprise).

HOW would you play Wii Tennis without large movememnts? Keep the controller close to your chest and just use your wrist?

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Commercials exaggerated?! What is this world coming to? You'd think they were trying to make the system look cool and exciting or something.

Did Miyamoto NOT come out and wave the wand around like he's conducting a symphony? How would you play a game like that and NOT MOVE YOUR ARMS? Nobody here has actually answered that question.

residentEvil · Nov 16, 2006, 02:27 PM

hmm, how do you write?

big movements with your hand and arm, or do you move your wrist back and forth from your elbow? that small wrist/arm movement (like writing across a line of paper) left and right is no different an forward swing or back swing (obviously, a different grip from a pen to a racket). so a movement left to right the width of a piece of paper is your forward swing. right to left is your back swing. that doesn't sound to me like BIG arm movement.

edit: had to rewrite; my voip/data line is having problems.

Millennium · Nov 16, 2006, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Nobody's ACTUALLY answered my question (big surprise).

HOW would you play Wii Tennis without large movememnts? Keep the controller close to your chest and just use your wrist?

No need to keep the controller close to your chest, but other than that, why not?

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

No need to keep the controller close to your chest, but other than that, why not?

Because all the marketing hype, the reviews, and the videos show people all spread out in marge rooms playing tennis or baseball or golfing or bowling as if they have the free movement to do so. Now all of a sudden people claim you don't need to do that? I have yet to see ONE review claim that.

Now, not to say that from an engineering point of view it can't happen, but if you can't use the Wiimote to its full effect, what's the damn POINT in using it at all?

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by residentEvil

hmm, how do you write?

big movements with your hand and arm, or do you move your wrist back and forth from your elbow? that small wrist/arm movement (like writing across a line of paper) left and right is no different an forward swing or back swing (obviously, a different grip from a pen to a racket). so a movement left to right the width of a piece of paper is your forward swing. right to left is your back swing. that doesn't sound to me like BIG arm movement.

edit: had to rewrite; my voip/data line is having problems.

And how would you translate that to an artist? Artists move their hands and arms.

residentEvil · Nov 16, 2006, 02:33 PM

or like when you wave at someone? do you do a entire body jerking movement with your hand, elbow and arm going across your body. or do you simply hold your arm out and move your hand (at the wrist) back and forth?

seems to me that would be a forward/backhand too.

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 02:36 PM

Right, but you still move your arm to get your hand up there.

Dakar² · Nov 16, 2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Right, but you still move your arm to get your hand up there.

This discussion is much more entertaining when I take these quotes out of context.

icruise · Nov 16, 2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Now, not to say that from an engineering point of view it can't happen, but if you can't use the Wiimote to its full effect, what's the damn POINT in using it at all?

So let me get this straight. You complain about having to make big movements and when people tell you that you don't have to make big movements you complain about it...

The point is that you have the freedom to make those movements if you want to. If you want to pretend you're Link attacking monsters, you can and it should help bring you into the game. But if you want to play with more restrained movements (still more than just clicking a button, mind you, but not jumping all over the room) then you are free to do so. Sounds like a good setup to me.

starman · Nov 16, 2006, 02:44 PM

I'm just saying that nobody besides goMac even mentioned it. Not in a review, not in a video.

icruise · Nov 16, 2006, 02:46 PM

Well, maybe you didn't see it, but I've actually known about that for a long time. I thought it was common knowledge.

goMac · Nov 16, 2006, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by starman

I'm just saying that nobody besides goMac even mentioned it. Not in a review, not in a video.

About ever review I've read has said something along the lines of "You can either make big motions or small motions, and sometimes things are better with small motions."

Millennium · Nov 16, 2006, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Because all the marketing hype, the reviews, and the videos show people all spread out in marge rooms playing tennis or baseball or golfing or bowling as if they have the free movement to do so. Now all of a sudden people claim you don't need to do that? I have yet to see ONE review claim that.

Funny; I've seen several. One person even remarked that it almost felt like cheating, because he found that he could throw the ball faster if he only made the small movements. In other words, you get to pick how you want to play the game.

Now, not to say that from an engineering point of view it can't happen, but if you can't use the Wiimote to its full effect, what's the damn POINT in using it at all?

Who's saying you can't use it to its full effect? All we're saying is that you don't have to make large movements if you don't want to.

Jolt21 · Nov 16, 2006, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by starman

I'm just saying that nobody besides goMac even mentioned it. Not in a review, not in a video.

when i get home from work, i will link you to a lot of reviews AND videos...dam work firewall **raises fist*

Dark Helmet · Nov 16, 2006, 03:32 PM

Is it true that the Wii will have NO online play until next year?

Millennium · Nov 16, 2006, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Is it true that the Wii will have NO online play until next year?

No games that utilize online play? It doesn't look like it. So what?

Dark Helmet · Nov 16, 2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

No games that utilize online play? It doesn't look like it. So what?

Oh ya you're right, that online play stuff nobody cares about anyway.

On another note, do these graphics seriously not bother you guys? If it looks bad here at 4 inches tall imagine it on a TV.

Ubisoft - GT Pro Series Wii

goMac · Nov 16, 2006, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Oh ya you're right, that online play stuff nobody cares about anyway.

On another note, do these graphics seriously not bother you guys? If it looks bad here at 4 inches tall imagine it on a TV.

They did it cell shaded on purpose. It's not the hardware.

Dark Helmet · Nov 16, 2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

They did it cell shaded on purpose. It's not the hardware.

I'm not talking about the cell shading. Heck cell shading games look awesome. I am talking about the jaggies and everything else.

goMac · Nov 16, 2006, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

I'm not talking about the cell shading. Heck cell shading games look awesome. I am talking about the jaggies and everything else.

Apparently the game was poorly written. : shrug: I didn't even know it existed.

icruise · Nov 16, 2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Oh ya you're right, that online play stuff nobody cares about anyway.

On another note, do these graphics seriously not bother you guys? If it looks bad here at 4 inches tall imagine it on a TV.

It's cell-shaded, so it should a lot more impressive in motion. But even if it doesn't, you can't look at a specific game and say that it proves that a system's graphics suck. I mean, look at games like the Godfather or Gun for the Xbox 360. They barely look better than the Xbox 1 versions. That doesn't mean that the Xbox 360 has crappy graphics. It means that those games have crappy graphics.

This looks pretty good to me:

Jawbone54 · Nov 16, 2006, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

It's cell-shaded, so it should a lot more impressive in motion. But even if it doesn't, you can't look at a specific game and say that it proves that a system's graphics suck. I mean, look at games like the Godfather or Gun for the Xbox 360. They barely look better than the Xbox 1 versions. That doesn't mean that the Xbox 360 has crappy graphics. It means that those games have crappy graphics.

Well said! And the Raving Rabbids picture was a nice "!" to tac onto the end.

[EDIT] P.S. - How many more times are graphics going to be debated when the Wii's emphasis is (FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!) NOT ON GRAPHICS

Give it a freakin' break.

Dakar² · Nov 16, 2006, 04:42 PM

I think there's a certain minimum expected for the graphical quality, though.

Jawbone54 · Nov 16, 2006, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I think there's a certain minimum expected for the graphical quality, though.

It seems that half of the industry thinks the Wii meets that standard. It's the people that base a game's value predominantly on its graphics that are whining about it.

Which brings up another point: if people buy a Wii and enjoy it, why does that bother some of you? Do you think that anyone who "falls for it" is a simpleton?