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Dark Helmet · Nov 20, 2006, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

Reviews seem to be mixed. Some good, some bad. But it's definitely not the next Goldeneye, and it wasn't part of my launch plans.

Where have you found a good review?

goMac · Nov 20, 2006, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Where have you found a good review?

On the review you linked to.

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/r....html?mode=web

idyll · Nov 20, 2006, 12:26 AM

i actually like red steel and haven't had any great difficulty aiming and all that

it's all just a tad boring to me.. really easy too. perhaps online multiplayer is what i want

Dark Helmet · Nov 20, 2006, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

On the review you linked to.

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/r....html?mode=web

Are you kidding?

goMac · Nov 20, 2006, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Are you kidding?

They're from your link.

Chuckit · Nov 20, 2006, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Please keep in mind that the media and many people here claimed the recent builds of red steel "had all the control issues worked out and handled like a dream".

I haven't read that a lot of control bugs still existed in Red Steel. Do they?

Weezer · Nov 20, 2006, 01:21 AM

everything I read said it handled "better" than before and was livable, but in no way "played like a dream." Looking through this thread, you come off as a 12 year old fanboy troll, it's obnoxious.

Hawkeye_a · Nov 20, 2006, 01:37 AM

Im a little surprised that red steel is getting these kinds of reviews. it looked really promicing back at E3. i mean a 5/10 is shocking..... at the very least i was expecting 7/10.

MindFad · Nov 20, 2006, 01:55 AM

No Wii yet, but I'm ready to go.

Gossamer · Nov 20, 2006, 02:00 AM

Yeah, I forgot to mention the graphics kinda suck. I know that they're not supposed to be on par with the 360 or PS3 but they're just not great at all. I was unimpressed.

goMac · Nov 20, 2006, 02:12 AM

Zelda so far has been awesome. I beat the first temple and took a break there.

Very long game.

icruise · Nov 20, 2006, 02:15 AM

So I've been reading some blog entries indicating that there are a lot fewer nunchuks than remotes available in stores (and my own experience seems to bear this out, although most places had nothing at all). How many 2-player games require the full "nunchuk/remote" combo? Does Rayman require the nunchuk for 2-player play?

goMac · Nov 20, 2006, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by icruise

Does Rayman require the nunchuk for 2-player play?

Yes, for most games.

I had no problem getting and extra controller and nunchuck, although Nintendo should really have eaten some cash and included the nunchuck standard.

icruise · Nov 20, 2006, 02:31 AM

Speaking of controllers, the Wiimote can apparently be detected as a bluetooth device by a Mac, but it can't be paired (and of course without a driver it's unlikely that it would do anything if it was paired). Makes me wonder if someone might be able to write a driver for it, though. You could theoretically use it as a simple game pad.

Wii FAQ: answers to your Wii questions - Engadget
(Scroll down to #17)

zerostar · Nov 20, 2006, 06:51 AM

oooh maybe a gamepad and front-row remote, perhaps something will be worked on since it will be pretty popular console.

funkboy · Nov 20, 2006, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by icruise

Speaking of controllers, the Wiimote can apparently be detected as a bluetooth device by a Mac, but it can't be paired (and of course without a driver it's unlikely that it would do anything if it was paired). Makes me wonder if someone might be able to write a driver for it, though. You could theoretically use it as a simple game pad.

It could also be a bluetooth speaker or bluetooth microphone (if it has some sort of audio input ability through that speaker). Or, even *better*, it could give a whole new way to input stuff into a computer. Games for the Mac could be written for the Wiimote, allowing Wii-like gameplay right on your Mac, if the gyros could somehow be taken advantage of. Either that or the sensor bar would have to be moved over to the computer.

That is exciting! Hope somebody can write up some drivers.

funkboy · Nov 20, 2006, 08:34 AM

Anyone played Madden? The reviews are favorable, so I'm pretty excited to try it out. The more Wii-ness to the controls, the better - I totally enjoy Wii Sports. For me, that game is truly great, at least for the hour or so I played it yesterday. Not just good, but great, especially as far as a new experience goes.

TheMosco · Nov 20, 2006, 10:05 AM

I love the Wii sports. I already got injured once boxing. My friend was standing to the left of me, he went for a left hook and followed through right into my face. Tennis is a lot of fun too. The surgery game is pretty intense too.

starman · Nov 20, 2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by TheMosco

I love the Wii sports. I already got injured once boxing. My friend was standing to the left of me, he went for a left hook and followed through right into my face.

Didn't you use the "small motions" that everyone said you could?

I can just see the lawsuits coming....

starman · Nov 20, 2006, 10:13 AM

AS I PREDICTED

The Awful Forums - Nintendo Wii BREAKS my TV

Dakar² · Nov 20, 2006, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Didn't you use the "small motions" that everyone said you could?

I can just see the lawsuits coming....

Don't they have a surgery game with the Wiimote or something?

For some reason it just occurred to be it be kinda fun to get loaded and see if you can successfully operate on a person drunk.

Yeah, its a Monday.

Gossamer · Nov 20, 2006, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by icruise

So I've been reading some blog entries indicating that there are a lot fewer nunchuks than remotes available in stores (and my own experience seems to bear this out, although most places had nothing at all). How many 2-player games require the full "nunchuk/remote" combo? Does Rayman require the nunchuk for 2-player play?

Yeah, my friend said BB had 30 Wiis and accessories for 10 of them. He grabbed 2 Nunchucks.

goMac · Nov 20, 2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Didn't you use the "small motions" that everyone said you could?

You could... I dunno... play the games the only require small motions? One of which would not be boxing?

Hawkeye_a · Nov 20, 2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by starman

AS I PREDICTED

The Awful Forums - Nintendo Wii BREAKS my TV

Well, then dont get one. if your such a knob that you cant hold onto a remote dont get a Wii.

And maybe you shouldnt get a Wii either ? youve been complaining about it ever since they announced it.... why pay for something that wont bring you any satisfaction what-so-ever ?

starman · Nov 20, 2006, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Well, then dont get one. if your such a knob that you cant hold onto a remote dont get a Wii.

And maybe you shouldnt get a Wii either ? youve been complaining about it ever since they announced it.... why pay for something that wont bring you any satisfaction what-so-ever ?

If you read the article (which you OBVIOUSLY didn't), the strap broke.

goMac · Nov 20, 2006, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by starman

If you read the article (which you OBVIOUSLY didn't), the strap broke.

I can think of no reason why the strap would break in boxing, because as Hawkeye noted, your hand should be wrapped completely around the remote. There shouldn't be any pressure on the strap.

zerostar · Nov 20, 2006, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by starman

If you read the article (which you OBVIOUSLY didn't), the strap broke.

I read the article, there is no need to act like a friggin' moron and throw it hard enough to break the strap and the TV, they were obviously being idiotic and thats what you get.

Either that or:

1) The TV was already broke and they are lying.
2) The remote slipped and the strap was defective/already fraying for some reason and it flew.

But I still see no reason to throw it hard enough that you have to ever really rely on the strap. And im saying this after login in almost 4 hours on a friends Wii Sports yesterday.

Jolt21 · Nov 20, 2006, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by zerostar

ToysRUs in Times Square had/has 5K units, open till 3AM for anyone close by...

thats where i got mine. place was ridiculous. so many games and accersories to go around

starman · Nov 20, 2006, 11:11 AM

Apologists, read this:

IGN: Wii Sports Review

(As a side note, always wear your wrist straps. One of our ad girls -- Katherine Bowe -- became so engrossed in tennis that the Wii remote slipped from her hand and crashed into a nearby wall at mach speeds; luckily, although the strap broke, the back case flew off and the batteries spilled out, it all worked again when we put it back together.)

starman · Nov 20, 2006, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

I can think of no reason why the strap would break in boxing, because as Hawkeye noted, your hand should be wrapped completely around the remote. There shouldn't be any pressure on the strap.

You're right, except they were playing BOWLING.

Dakar² · Nov 20, 2006, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by zerostar

1) The TV was already broke and they are lying.

Reach

Chuckit · Nov 20, 2006, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by starman

AS I PREDICTED

The Awful Forums - Nintendo Wii BREAKS my TV

How friggin' hard was this guy bowling that the remote managed to break the Wii strap and still have enough momentum to crack his TV? It's not like the thing has the inertia of an actual bowling ball.

zerostar · Nov 20, 2006, 11:20 AM

Not an apologist here, simply a person who has logged some time in with the unit and played EVERY Wii Sports game.

I didn't hear about the IGN Tennis incident, that is crazy, in all my years of dealing with straps on cameras and all my Sony equipment, I have NEVR had a strap break, they are usually twined and made out of a strong polyester (like a seat-belt)

If this is a widespread problem with these straps Nintendo needs to get new ones out the door ASAP. That is insane and needs to be dealt with!

icruise · Nov 20, 2006, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

How friggin' hard was this guy bowling that the remote managed to break the Wii strap and still have enough momentum to crack his TV? It's not like the thing has the inertia of an actual bowling ball.

That's what I was thinking. I have trouble believing that a strap like the one supplied with the Wii could just break like that. Assuming there are no shenanigans involved, it's possible that there are some defective straps out there.

starman · Nov 20, 2006, 11:28 AM

A random post is one thing, IGN is another.

Dark Helmet · 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by zerostar

I didn't hear about the IGN Tennis incident, that is crazy, in all my years of dealing with straps on cameras and all my Sony equipment, I have NEVR had a strap break, they are usually twined and made out of a strong polyester (like a seat-belt)

But how often do you throw your camera full force and have the strap save it?

This TV/wall breaking is going to happen a lot for sure. You can tell kids that they are supposed to put the strap around their wrist and if you are lucky they might. But even then many won't tighten it.

Anywho, that TV looks bad. Those screens are plastic not glass but they are still hard to break and cost at least $300 to replace. Poor guy.

They should have made the wiimote at least partly out of that rubber feeling plastic (like on the DS) as people are saying their hands get sweatier than usual using the remote.

Hawkeye_a · Nov 20, 2006, 11:33 AM

Oh i totally agree with you guys . for the safety of both your TV, please neither one of you get a Wii.

starman · Nov 20, 2006, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Oh i totally agree with you. for the safety of your TV, please don't get a Wii.

Wow. You can't accept a design flaw, can you?

Chuckit · Nov 20, 2006, 11:37 AM

So far we only have one reported case of a strap breaking. Since the strap is designed to keep these apparently spastic players from throwing their Wiimotes, I wouldn't call this a design flaw yet.

starman · Nov 20, 2006, 11:37 AM

Two reports

Hawkeye_a · Nov 20, 2006, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Wow. You can't accept a design flaw, can you?

Oh i concede it man. its a major major design flaw, an ignorant oversight from Nintendo obviously. I'm just looking out for all those people (like you) who are going to break their TVs by buying and playing a Wii. So there's obviously one sure-proof way to save your TV from the Wii.... dont buy one.

Dakar² · Nov 20, 2006, 11:46 AM

I'm just waiting for the first cases of carpal tunnel from flicking your wrist. That'll add to this quality discussion.

starman · Nov 20, 2006, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Oh i concede it man. its a major major design flaw, an ignorant oversight from Nintendo obviously. I'm just looking out for all those people (like you) who are going to break their TVs by buying and playing a Wii. So there's obviously one sure-proof way to save your TV from the Wii.... dont buy one.

What's with this "people like you" sh*t?

Dark Helmet · Nov 20, 2006, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by starman

What's with this "people like you" sh*t?

I think he means "people who don't want a broken TV" but I can't imagine anyone who does.

ajprice · Nov 20, 2006, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

They should have made the wiimote at least partly out of that rubber feeling plastic (like on the DS) as people are saying their hands get sweatier than usual using the remote.

They did think of it, so you can buy rubber skin 'Controller Gloves' for the wiimote.

This way of course, they get more money from people buying more accessories, and it makes the wiimotes customisable, so instead of seeing which is which by the 4 blue lights on the front you can have a different coloured skin for each persons controller.

Yes I'll agree that it would have been better to have a rubberised controller to start with, but most handheld gizmos have rubber grip skin accessories now.. iPods, PSPs, phones.. so Nintendo may as well get into the market themselves as have MadKatz, Gear4 or Joytech start making them without Nintendo getting the money for it. Unless Nintendo start a 'Made for Wii' brand, charge accessory makers and make a cut that way

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Dark Helmet · Nov 20, 2006, 12:02 PM

BTW I am not saying this is Nintendo's fault and they shouldn't come out with a device that could be thrown BUT we have to wait and see if this strap thing is a widespread issue and then get huffy.

zerostar · Nov 20, 2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

But how often do you throw your camera full force and have the strap save it?

Never full force, but even tugging at an old Kodak (big brick camera) I have here with all my strength I can't see it ever breaking, the pink looks like it will pull out of the metal before the strap gives.

I think the Wii mote may have cheap straps and I will just replace mine if that is the case.

icruise · Nov 20, 2006, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by ajprice

Unless Nintendo start a 'Made for Wii' brand, charge accessory makers and make a cut that way

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Are those gloves actually first-party accessories? I thought they were just licensed (hence the Nintendo "seal of quality"), which means that they actually are doing what you suggested.

Dark Helmet · Nov 20, 2006, 12:38 PM

So has anyone found the component cables? Every store I ask said they didn't even get any.

Probably better that I didn't get a wii yet as playing it on a big screen with Svideo would have made a horrible first impression.

goMac · Nov 20, 2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

So has anyone found the component cables? Every store I ask said they didn't even get any.

Probably better that I didn't get a wii yet as playing it on a big screen with Svideo would have made a horrible first impression.

Do you have Gamecube or N64 component cables? They're all the same...