[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by goMac 

I think SWG thinks you need a SD card to save your game, which isn't true. The Wii has built in memory.

How could I possibly think that when I am 10 hours into Zelda and THEN wonder where things are being saved.

Read my last post as to why I had to get the SD card.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

How could I possibly think that when I am 10 hours into Zelda and THEN wonder where things are being saved.

Read my last post as to why I had to get the SD card.

Haven't had a defect on mine. But leave it to fate I guess to give you the one with the defects.

[fhoubi]

Do not argue with SWG, he is right very most of the time. Although he forgot to add at least one Nunchuck..

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

This is why I'm most curious to try it out. I have the feeling after a day at work I'm not going to feel like coming home and swinging my arm around.

I don't ever usually get tired of swinging my arms. Pressing the A button gives you a sword attack if you are Z targeted, so if I feel lazy I use that. But honestly, there are enough secondary weapons that I just end up using those instead, and usually those work better than the sword.

The Wiimote is usually better than a normal controller in quickly aiming these weapons. In a lot of the dungeons you're going to have to quickly point at multiple targets, and the Wiimote has the advantage here. It's not as much swinging as it is pointing.

[ink]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

Ok here are my thoughts on Zelda after 9.5 hours of play and close to the end of the second dungeon.

Thanks. I'm picking up the GCN version of the game for sure now. I'll hold off on the Wii until after Mario, etc. are out.

EDIT: I picked up Okami for the PS2 last weekend, and I'm about 12 hours into it. If you like action games such as Zelda, it's an incredible title. It's cell shaded, fresh and mostly fun. It does have the text box problem, though. It would be a PERFECT title for the Wii because you have to "paint" actions on the screen with your celestial brush.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by goMac 

I don't ever usually get tired of swinging my arms. Pressing the A button gives you a sword attack if you are Z targeted, so if I feel lazy I use that. But honestly, there are enough secondary weapons that I just end up using those instead, and usually those work better than the sword.

For Zelda the movements don't bother you as you can just flick your wrist.

Wii sports you definitely do swing your arm a bit and my sister and I were both complaining of Wii arm after playing bowling and tennis for a hour.

Something to keep in mind, you need quite a bit of room to play some games. Bowling, golf you have to stand up. Tennis with 2 players you can't sit on the couch next to one another as you will smash controllers.

It is tricky because we stand back enough so I am not standing over the TV looking down but then I am lucky my TV is big or you can't see anything. My sister can't see the tennis ball when standing 15 feet away from a 50" TV as it is sorta fuzzy. They should have made the ball glow or have trails.

[starman]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Eh. If you plan on getting Zelda alone, probably not. Honestly, the boss battles work better with the Wiimote, but you can do it without the Wiimote probably.

What do you mean "probably"? The Wii version was a PORT of the GC version.

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

Uh yes you do NEED the component cables for a big TV like Starman and I have. I say need because without you can hardly see what is shooting at you.

You are right you don't need another remote or an SD card but you think Starman will come home to kids with a Wii and one remote and things will go well?

Oh and in my case I did NEED the SD card as my Wii has 2 defects and unless I want to lose my 10 hours of Zelda play I had to spend $30 to get a SD card to back it up.

So in my case it was $250 + $25 + $50 just to play Zelda. If that is worth it for you go nuts.

I agree on the cable for any TV over 26" that can take component, that is for sure, I would get S-video cables, if they come out, if that is all your TV has...
Oh, you can also make component cables without ruining your composite cable if you just can't wait or don't want to spend $30 and have some RGB ends laying around...

The SD card is a defect and only specific to broken consoles. So its not a MUST, plus Circuit city had them for $2.99 for a 1GB this weekend and you can get them for around $10 online.

I didn't know he had kids and if they are going to be playing this it isn't a Zelda ONLY system cause they will have a ton more fun with things like Excite truck (depending on age)

I wouldn't buy a Wii JUST to play Zelda, that is a bit too much for me to drop for one game, I'm geting a Wii to play a bunch of games and that makes it worth it to me.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by fhoubi 

Do not argue with SWG, he is right very most of the time. Although he forgot to add at least one Nunchuck..

Well the pricing I came up with for Starmans situation is totally reasonable don't you think? He has kids so he needs 2 remotes, end of story. I didn't throw in a nunchuck just to make my point with the costs as the sports games don't need them (except boxing).

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by ink 

I picked up Okami for the PS2 last weekend

Great game! I won't go into details as this is the Wii thread but I will echo your comments.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

I wouldn't buy a Wii JUST to play Zelda, that is a bit too much for me to drop for one game\

I did. I haven't decided if it was worth it yet but I am hoping a couple more good titles makes it worth while which ended up being the case for the N64 and GC.

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

He has kids so he needs 2 remotes, end of story

Depends on the kids age and adeptness, if they are 4 or so perhaps you can use the GCN controller and pop in a new GCN game and let them at it!

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

Depends on the kids age and adeptness, if they are 4 or so perhaps you can use the GCN controller and pop in a new GCN game and let them at it!

Wii sports, small kidS, one remote = Disaster.

You cannot use GC contollers on sports. You think the kids will share or want to play GC games after seeing the other play with the Wiimote in sports?

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

I did. I haven't decided if it was worth it yet but I am hoping a couple more good titles makes it worth while which ended up being the case for the N64 and GC.

Well then you brought it with the hopes that 1) Zelda TP is that good, which I don't think it is, and 2) Other games will make it worth it. I think you will be upset if BOTH of those fail.

But hey, you can always sell it on ebay if your finish TP in a few days... I am willing to buy it today for $300

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

You think the kids will share or want to play GC games after seeing the other play with the Wiimote in sports?

WANT to certainly not... but we had 1 broken remote on our NES (never worked out the box) and we played for almost a year that way, that was 1987 or so when kids did the uphill snow thing so YMMV.

[Dark Helmet]

Ok this a surprise. What system since the PS1 do you think got the worst reviewed launch titles.

PS3 Worst Reviewed Launch Ever? news from 1UP.com

Excluding the N64 with its TWO games.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

Well then you brought it with the hopes that 1) Zelda TP is that good, which I don't think it is, and 2) Other games will make it worth it. I think you will be upset if BOTH of those fail.

But hey, you can always sell it on ebay if your finish TP in a few days... I am willing to buy it today for $300

Ha, honestly i just wanted to get rid of the Cube which is by far the worst Game System I have had (other than Virtual boy).

I do still like a couple of the games for it though so I am happy the Wii plays them.

[fhoubi]

Yep I agree SWG. Off topic, I am afraid and hope not the Wii will end up the same fate as my GBA/SP, DSL, that is trouble finding more than 3..5 appealling games...

[Dakar²]

Hehehe, Madden was the highest rated game on GC.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by fhoubi 

Yep I agree SWG. Off topic, I am afraid and hope not the Wii will end up the same fate as my GBA/SP, DSL, that is trouble finding more than 3..5 appealling games...

I think it will still be the case with the Wii to be honest. It will come out with strange games like Nintendogs and brian age that sell like hotcakes to the Japanese, girls and kids which is fine but none of that I want to be part of and knowing it sold 1 million copies of each title doesn't give me any more serious titles more often.

[GSixZero]

This is an admittidly dumb question, but I'll ask anyway.

Does anyone have any advice on how to find a Wii? I've called around a little bit and every store is just like "We don't have any, we don't know when we're getting any." If I was super serious I'd call every store every morning, but I guess I'm not actually that serious about it, and I don't really have that kind of time.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.

John

[starman]

I bought an N64 just to play Zelda. At the time it hadn't come out yet, but when it did, I got the gold cart. That and Super Mario 64 made it worth it, but that was because BACK THEN these kinds of games were relatively new. I still have the N64 and the gold card.

Today, I'm not sure I could really get into a new Zelda. I play OoT over and over and I'm just in awe of that game every time.

I was hoping that if/when I get a Wii, Zelda would blow me away. I have a feeling now that it won't . There needs to be something done with the franchise to really make it stand out like OoT did. This is why I like the FF series so much, every single time, love the franchise or hate it, they change it up. Not 100%, but enough.

As for my kids, they'll be fine with a Wii. However, I have a feeling the Wii would wind up staying in the playroom because I'd just get way too nervous about the strap breaking.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

Well then you brought it with the hopes that 1) Zelda TP is that good, which I don't think it is, and 2) Other games will make it worth it. I think you will be upset if BOTH of those fail.

But hey, you can always sell it on ebay if your finish TP in a few days... I am willing to buy it today for $300

Honestly, Raving Rabbids has made the system worth it. It has pretty good re-playability. At the beginning it's kinda ho-hum, but the later mini games are excellent. Both the dancing and the shooting games are great.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by GSixZero 

Does anyone have any advice on how to find a Wii? I've called around a little bit and every store is just like "We don't have any, we don't know when we're getting any." If I was super serious I'd call every store every morning, but I guess I'm not actually that serious about it, and I don't really have that kind of time.

Fred Meyer is one to try. Also try Costco.

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by GSixZero 

This is an admittidly dumb question, but I'll ask anyway.

Does anyone have any advice on how to find a Wii? I've called around a little bit and every store is just like "We don't have any, we don't know when we're getting any." If I was super serious I'd call every store every morning, but I guess I'm not actually that serious about it, and I don't really have that kind of time.

Check this thread:
IGN Boards - ****Offical track thread of new Wii Shipments****

Eluros has been dead on and now has new info....

"Nintendo of America will be shipping massive # of units from the manufacturing plant to distribution units, starting Monday, November 27th, and on Tuesday, November 28th. Some best buys have units on wed. Toys R Us will be distributing probably on tues. or wednes. target on wednes. eb games will be getting a shipment from nintendo on wednesday. at corporate nintendo, eb/gs got requests, but not as high as best buy and toys rus.

again, choose to believe it or not."

[starman]

I wonder how Animal Crossing would be on the Wii. I loved it on the GC. On a game like that I'd think the Wiimote would be overkill. I'd hope that you'd be able to use the Classic Controller with it. It was a game you could just lounge around with and play, I wouldn't want to have both my hands used to move this little toon around and collect fruit

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Honestly, Raving Rabbids has made the system worth it..

Great, it is on my list and so is Excite Truck after spending a while with it, can get repetitive but it is very fun to play for a group, Hopefully a new Mario Party comes for the Wii soonish, that is the #1 game at our house.

EDIT: n/m I see Marh 5th yay!

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by starman 

I was hoping that if/when I get a Wii, Zelda would blow me away. I have a feeling now that it won't . There needs to be something done with the franchise to really make it stand out like OoT did. This is why I like the FF series so much, every single time, love the franchise or hate it, they change it up. Not 100%, but enough.

There hasn't been as much of a change as between Link To The Past and Ocarina of Time, but there's been at least as much change between Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Four Swords as there has between the last six Final Fantasy games. And I haven't even played Twilight Princess to comment on it.

[starman]

After I posted that, I realized I didn't make myself clear.

What I love about OoT is that it had good enough graphics to set an environment, as well as good enough music to do the same. Link to the Past was good, but to me it was "just a game", whereas OoT was an experience. Wind Waker was a good changeup to the game, but to me, didn't have that environment that sucked you into the gameplay because the whole time you're averting your eyes from the wonky art style.

[Calimus]

Originally Posted by GSixZero 

This is an admittidly dumb question, but I'll ask anyway.

Does anyone have any advice on how to find a Wii? I've called around a little bit and every store is just like "We don't have any, we don't know when we're getting any." If I was super serious I'd call every store every morning, but I guess I'm not actually that serious about it, and I don't really have that kind of time.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.

John

Call stores in the lower income parts of town. Worked for me, I called a Fred Meyer around 10am Sunday morning and they had 1 left.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

Great, it is on my list and so is Excite Truck after spending a while with it, can get repetitive but it is very fun to play for a group, Hopefully a new Mario Party comes for the Wii soonish, that is the #1 game at our house.

EDIT: n/m I see Marh 5th yay!

Yeah, Mario Party is being eagerly awaited on my social scene. Raving Rabids is a great stand in though.

I'm a little iffy on recommending Monkey Ball though. Some of the games are most excellent, some are dumb, and some don't even work. Like the controls they give you just don't make you move at all.

[Calimus]

Originally Posted by starman 

I wonder how Animal Crossing would be on the Wii. I loved it on the GC. On a game like that I'd think the Wiimote would be overkill. I'd hope that you'd be able to use the Classic Controller with it. It was a game you could just lounge around with and play, I wouldn't want to have both my hands used to move this little toon around and collect fruit

I would be very dissapointed if they didn't use the Wiimote for Animal crossing. There are so many features that would be awesome for that game; on screen keyboard for much faster typing, drawing patterns/wallpapers, shaking trees with a shake of the nunchuck, plus tons of others I'm sure.

The biggest feature will hopefully be a much better and robust online implementation than what they have done with the DS version.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by starman 

After I posted that, I realized I didn't make myself clear.

What I love about OoT is that it had good enough graphics to set an environment, as well as good enough music to do the same. Link to the Past was good, but to me it was "just a game", whereas OoT was an experience. Wind Waker was a good changeup to the game, but to me, didn't have that environment that sucked you into the gameplay because the whole time you're averting your eyes from the wonky art style.

I think TP, once you get past the hallmark Zelda zones, it's a really unique experience. The dungeon I just did in Winterfall was really unique, most unique in the entire series.

[zerostar]

Here is 7 tracks of the music from Zelda TP:
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Not sure if this is Warez? Mods delete if found to be infringement....

EDIT: whoops! guess so, sorry

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by starman 

What I love about OoT is that it had good enough graphics to set an environment, as well as good enough music to do the same. Link to the Past was good, but to me it was "just a game", whereas OoT was an experience.

Hmm ok here is the thing with your situation then.

If you buy TP expecting it to be OoT but 8 years advancement in technology and 2 gens later you will be very disappointed. It really doesn't feel that much better than OoT.

If you get TP and play it with the mindset as if you got that unreleased DD version of OoT or a gamecube sequel to it with a new controller than you will like it.

For me it almost feels like I am playing an old follow up to OoT in a virtual machine that bumps the graphics a bit with a new control method. Kinda like when they released OoT on GC with better graphics.

I'm playing it the whole time sad at the fact that if it was on even the Xbox 1 it would be a visual and audio treat and not just the gameplay. This game would be so incredible with a better presentation even though the gameplay theme is dated.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by starman 

Wind Waker was a good changeup to the game, but to me, didn't have that environment that sucked you into the gameplay because the whole time you're averting your eyes from the wonky art style.

I honestly really liked the look of Wind Waker. When I first saw the screenshots of the game, I was like, "What the **** did they do to Link?" But I thought the actual game came together really well. The cool, stylized death animation in that game wouldn't have worked with a more realistic look.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by goMac 

I think TP, once you get past the hallmark Zelda zones, it's a really unique experience. The dungeon I just did in Winterfall was really unique, most unique in the entire series.

I look forward to it. Is that the 3rd dungeon where it starts to turn around?

[icruise]

Not sure if this is Warez? Mods delete if found to be infringement....

That appears to be the CD that Nintendo is giving away with their Zelda Strategy Guide/Nintendo Power subscription, so I don't think we should be linking it here.

[starman]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

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EDIT: whoops! guess so, sorry

You gotta be faster than that

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

I honestly really liked the look of Wind Waker. When I first saw the screenshots of the game, I was like, "What the **** did they do to Link?" But I thought the actual game came together really well. The cool, stylized death animation in that game wouldn't have worked with a more realistic look.

I think you and me are the only two that liked it. OoT was cool at the time though. I was happy as you can tell TP is trying to look "real" but the graphics don't cut it so it looks like a game trying to look real but not.

WW was just fun visually as much as the gameplay.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by icruise 

That appears to be the CD that Nintendo is giving away with their Zelda Strategy Guide/Nintendo Power subscription, so I don't think we should be linking it here.

I think we should link it here. Because Nintendo Power sucks. I ain't subscribing to that ****.

[zerostar]

How about hacking your Wii to SURF now...

YouTube - Wii Browser Shop "Hack"

When is the browser coming out?

[Dakar²]

http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/

For all your hatin' needs.

[icruise]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

I think we should link it here. Because Nintendo Power sucks. I ain't subscribing to that ****.

Actually they are including the same CD (minus 1 track?) with the Twilight Princess collector's set from Master Replicas that they're selling at Target, so that's one other way to get it. But the point is that it's a copyrighted work, so we're not going to distribute it here.

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by icruise 

Actually they are including the same CD (minus 1 track?) with the Twilight Princess collector's set from Master Replicas that they're selling at Target, so that's one other way to get it. But the point is that it's a copyrighted work, so we're not going to distribute it here.

Do you know if that is $49 as well?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

I look forward to it. Is that the 3rd dungeon where it starts to turn around?

The 3rd dungeon is unique, not as unique as the later ones. In the 4th dungeon you get a new item that's never been in any Zelda game.

The 3rd dungeon is a little bit like the water temple. I enjoyed it.

[icruise]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

Do you know if that is $49 as well?

It's $39, but it doesn't include the game -- it's just the collectables + soundtrack.

[zerostar]

k thanks!

[Dark Helmet]

Ok now that i talked Zelda here is my out of box experience and few days use with the Wii itself.

Packaging:

Good:
Very nice, very Apple. Feels like unpacking a first few gens of Ipods with the sectionalized box and friendly feel.

Bad:
None

Hardware:

The Wii itself is much heavier than I thought it would be (that's not bad just interesting) and doesn't quite look as good in person (my opinion). . The flaps for the mem card is a bit hard to open unless you got reasonable length nails. To sync controllers you have to take the battery cover off the remote and push a button on the Wii and remote at the same time which is a bit of a pain. As for the design of the Wii itself I am a bit on the fence. Yes it looks nice when it is on the stand but with the top ports open for GC mem cards and controller ports it is ugly and wobbly. With GC memory cards in it you can't close the flap and I haven't figured out if you can copy the files to an SD card or internal so you can be rid of them. The interesting thing is Nintendo also includes this ugly clear disk to snap on the bottom of the Wii's stand to give it more stability. I don't use it though. Something odd though is one of the fan ports is on the bottom of the Wii when it is in the stand (the stand has a hole for the air though) so you can't stand it on the side without the grey stand.

Off the stand laying on its side the Wii looks like a cheap CD drive that you find in China town with hello kitty on it.

The sensor bar also comes with an ugly little Z shaped stand that raises it off whatever but you can't adjust the angle or hight.

The thing that bugs me about the buttons is that it has 3 buttons (Power, restart, eject) but they are all tiny and look the same (Power has a LED though). You have to walk right up to it, look closely for 3 white buttons on a white system and read the tiny text underneath. The Cube had the same problem and after all those years with it I could never just impulsively reach for it and hit the button I want. With the Xbox 360 or PS3 it is much easier to turn on and off or eject disks because the design is more thought out.

I can't comment on the blue light as mine is busted.

The drive is also busted as it gives me read errors sometimes.

Good:
The Sensor bar is smaller than I thought. The sensor cable is waaaay thinner than I thought which is good.

Bad: It looks a bit cheap as you can see the seams and looks to much like any external CD-Drive. Off the stand on its side it is downright ugly. Two physical defects in one machine out of the box with others in the same boat. Should come with that split component/composite cable like the Xbox. The sensor bar shouldn't be IR as it is inaccurate and prone to interference.


Wiimote:

Good overall but a bit too small for my hands (I have big hands). The remote is heavier than I thought and the nunchuck smaller and lighter. I really like the nunchuck feel though but the buttons are a bit mushy and not clicky.

Now for the biggy... the damn IR accuracy. From the start I thought it was going to be a problem and it is actually worse than I thought it would be. It is NOT in anyones dreams accurate to where you are pointing. The system itself only has a very simple setup for the remote and the more accurate stuff you have to do in each game separately IF they offer it. When I point he remote perfectly level at exactly the centre of the TV screen the cursor is at least 8-10 inches lower than where it should be (I can provide pictures). This is expected as the only thing you can set is if the IR bar is on top or bottom of the TV it does not take into account how far the bar is from the centre of the screen. Nintendo should have made it so you have to point to each corner and the top and bottom of the screen to configure the system. Zelda gives you a few more options but it is actually worse in the end. Yes it is set up properly and I have tried everything I can to make it more precise. My distance is within the recommended one.

Being offset is one thing but there is a lag that you notice when using IR. As I mentioned in my zelda review it feels like you are spraying a water hose on a wall as if you move from right to left it trails a bit behind your motions.

To play a game like duckhunt with no onscreen cursor would be impossible as where you point is not what the Wii thinks you are pointing at. You need to treat the remote like a mouse with a cursor.

Now before everyone (gomac) jumps up and says the accuracy is bang on and there is no lag TV size does have a consideration. If you are playing on a 27" TV the offset and lag from side to side is not as noticeable if at all but on my 50" it is huge. I do have halogen lights which Nintendo warns about and you have to watch out for reflections but the Wii is getting reflections from my white/blue matte walls which is disappointing. The offset aim I can get used to because there is an onscreen cursor but the lag is annoying. Also there should be one advanced setup that applies to each game not each game having the ability to change it.

Also the distance is an issue. I am 8 feet away from the screen and Nintendo recommends 3-10ish but at 4 feet the IR bar doesn't even see the remote most of the time.

As others have mentioned the Wii loses sight of the IR every once and a while. In fact when playing Zelda every time I want to aim the boomerang or Arrow a message comes up saying "please point the remote at the screen" even though it relatively is already. Since you swing the remote to use your sword you can't be expected to point back at the screen when you are done even though you don't plan on using IR right away.

I the end I have to take an anything but casual approach when I want to play. I turn off the lights (or dim them) close the blinds and make sure there are no CD's or glasses on the coffee table that makes the wiimote go apeshit.

Good:
Good size and design for the average consumer.

Bad: Inaccurate pointer. loses sight easily. Prone to reflections.

Graphics:
No comment. We went through all this for a year. It looks like a gamecube, it sounds like a gamecube. Hopefully component cables will at least give me sharper Gamecube. The Wii is like dating an unattractive girl. She may be fun and get the job done but you don't want to show her off to your friends and the climax isn't as good

For games like Wii Sports Raving Rabits the graphics are unimportant and just as fun. For Zelda, red steel Metroid it hurts and hurts bad.

[Dark Helmet]

Warning. Big nasty zelda bug:

YouTube - Zelda: Twilight Princess Glitch

Is it true that Wii games CANNOT be patched? Why not?