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starman · Feb 24, 2010, 02:26 PM

So now we're getting a DSi XL? FFS, Nintendo's turning into the Lucasfilm of the gaming world.

The Final Dakar · Feb 24, 2010, 02:27 PM

It's the iPad of DSeseses.

starman · Feb 24, 2010, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar

It's the iPad of DSeseses.

Jeez, I blinked and you posted a response. How's that F5 key? Worn out yet?

The Final Dakar · Feb 24, 2010, 02:29 PM

F5? Is that some gay-ass PC key?

analogue SPRINKLES · Feb 24, 2010, 04:33 PM

Well I guess that they saw everyone already owned a DS except for the crippled elderly and the retarded so if they can sell a few more why not?

imitchellg5 · Feb 24, 2010, 05:06 PM

Lucasfilm?

The DS is the new RAZR.

Hawkeye_a · Feb 25, 2010, 12:27 AM

Ugh..they're(Nintendo) getting lazy and complacent and drunk-with-success. Sad that Sony could not capitalize on that, like Apple seems to be.

SM2 and new Metroid this summer, as well as MH3...can't complain about that. No new Zelda was a bummer.

analogue SPRINKLES · Feb 25, 2010, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Ugh..they're(Nintendo) getting lazy and complacent and drunk-with-success.

This is nothing new. They have been CHEAP and lazy as hell since the GC days. The cheap payed off this round at the expense of their long time customers and serious gamers. The wii totally butchered the idea of Nintendo making amazing must have games anymore.

And proved for the 3rd time in a row that 3rd parties don't stand a chance on Nintendo home systems.

Hawkeye_a · Feb 26, 2010, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

This is nothing new. They have been CHEAP and lazy as hell since the GC days. The cheap payed off this round at the expense of their long time customers and serious gamers. The wii totally butchered the idea of Nintendo making amazing must have games anymore.

And proved for the 3rd time in a row that 3rd parties don't stand a chance on Nintendo home systems.

Dont want to turn this into yet another argument on the subject..... but don't you think that's a bit of an oxymoron ? Nintendo doesn't make quality games, and third parties cannot compete with Nintendo, and thus Nintendo lost the core ?

I should also clarify.... they are complacent with the DS hardware, imo. As far as quality titles.....considering that most "core" players own Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games, i dont think that's true. They just announced Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid Other M, Monster Hunter Tri(looking forward to trying out), etc....for N.America for the first half of this year. (and yes i do know there was a hiatus from core first party titles since late 2007). But so we're clear.... i think Nintendo makes the best software in the industry (rivaled only by Team Ico and Blizzard, imo).

analogue SPRINKLES · Feb 27, 2010, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

i think Nintendo makes the best software in the industry (rivaled only by Team Ico and Blizzard, imo).

Right so you think games such as "Mario doing something", Wii Sports and Zelda every 5 years is better than anything else everyone else out does with the exception of Ico?

How many PS3 and Xbox games you have to compare?

Personally I found Little BIg planet more original, detailed and creative than anything Nintendo has done in 10 years if you take out the nostalgia.

Hawkeye_a · 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Right so you think games such as "Mario doing something", Wii Sports and Zelda every 5 years is better than anything else everyone else out does with the exception of Ico?

How many PS3 and Xbox games you have to compare?

Personally I found Little BIg planet more original, detailed and creative than anything Nintendo has done in 10 years if you take out the nostalgia.

Exactly, because Super Mario Brothers(NES) is not very different from Super Mario Galaxy(Wii). It's got nothing to do with polish, or the art, or the interactivity....obviously.<end sarcasm>

You have your criterion and benchmarks, i have mine.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 2, 2010, 12:24 PM

I can name 5 games better than anything on the Wii in my opinion judging by gameplay, originality, quality, graphics, audio, length, replay.

But there is no point cuz Zelda whatever and Wii Sports resort is the true heros

Anyway, this story seems bang on to me.
Destructoid - Former DICE CEO says the Wii is a virus

You buy the wii cuz it is cheap. The family play with it for a few days. It collects dust while the casual gamers but the odd crapware minigame of barbie horse farm and the few Nintendo hard core fans (like you) wait years for Zelda, Mario or Metroid and claim it is the best game ever next to anything.

I know about 8 people with a Wii including me.
I ask them all how often they use it. Half said they haven't used it since they got it at XMAS and played it for a week... 2-3 years ago.

2 people bought 1 game for it over 2-3 years. The game was always Wii Fit (the thing that doesn't make you fit but lets you think you are).

1 person bought more than 5 games and uses it once every month.

I bought about 8 games for it and use it for a couple days every 3 months at best.

Out of these 8 people ALL of them have it hooked up to an HD set and 5 of them were "casual gamers". Both casual gamers and hardcore seem to be equally uninterested in it.

I bought lots of "Serious" games for the wii. They are all pretty uninspiring and bland compared to most games. Most are done and never though of again after 3-4 days. Mario Galaxy and World is fun and all for a week but then I gotta wait a couple years before going at it again.

Obviously your usage and statistics will be the total opposite so get going and convince me they are the only true innovators and game creators on the market.

is not · Mar 2, 2010, 03:05 PM

I will wait for coming generations, named it ‘DS2’

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 7, 2010, 12:42 PM

The iPod/pad/phone all beat the PSP and DS in specs in every way. Plus they also have accelerometers, better battery life, smaller, thinner, better screens, multitouch, networking. The games are also dirt cheap and can be shared legally with 5 household members.

If Sony and Nintendo don't take this more seriously they are going to be in trouble in a year or 2.

NO WAY IN HELL am I buying either the next PSP or DS. I don't want to carry another device around just for the odd game when I already have my iPhone and iPad on me.

exca1ibur · Mar 7, 2010, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

The iPod/pad/phone all beat the PSP and DS in specs in every way. Plus they also have accelerometers, better battery life, smaller, thinner, better screens, multitouch, networking. The games are also dirt cheap and can be shared legally with 5 household members.

If Sony and Nintendo don't take this more seriously they are going to be in trouble in a year or 2.

NO WAY IN HELL am I buying either the next PSP or DS. I don't want to carry another device around just for the odd game when I already have my iPhone and iPad on me.

I agree but for gaming I have to say a 'critical' feature for me is I still need physical buttons. The touch screen is good but limits you to specific types of games. Any touchscreen game that has to have a virtual stick and buttons (Street Fighter IV coming out for example) it would not comparable to playing on a PSP or DS from a control standpoint. Until then each one has it's own selling point and a market the other doesn't.

The good thing I do like is the iphone is finally starting to move beyond throw away games, and make more immersive games. That was also an issue for me, in the past, to take them serious.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 8, 2010, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by exca1ibur

I agree but for gaming I have to say a 'critical' feature for me is I still need physical buttons.

Same here for some games BUT if someone comes out with a case that docks over/around your iPhone and it has an analogue stick and buttons the DS and PSP are done.

angelmb · Mar 9, 2010, 07:37 AM

The iPod touch is, by far, the most powerful contender Nintendo or SONY had ever faced, cause Apple has tightly positioned themselves, something SEGA has never been able to achieve. But to underestimate Nintendo would be a deadly mistake either from a consumer or marketer p.o.v. as the Big N is still the most powerful name on the playing field.

A massive generation of gamers are hooked to either the Wii, the DS or both. Common sense and the exercise of appealing to the right demography says it is going to take more than the next generation of gaming devices to loose such a loyal user base. Sure, refreshes are going to arrive, but they only come with time… mostly when you do it wrong, which is very obvious to any observer; but when you do it right, it's invisible; and Nintendo has been doing it right for so long time.

'IFs' coming from a bunch of internet folks don't mean a thing really, Nintendo/Apple/MS can not appeal to everyone. It is that simple. A grip add-on is not going to kill tomorrow's DS / PSP; the Apple approach might do.

In all honest, I think SONY has way more to worry about, its brand heyday is longer gone and to make things worse, if anyone can punch above its weight, this is Apple. The only good thing to them (SONY) is that competition is good whereas lack of is terrible; look what's happening to Blu-Ray (at least this side of the pond) HD-DVD is dead so you got no competition at all, leaving the consumer wondering about such High Definition market. Instead of getting the consumer to ponder 'hum, which one should I get, Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?' you get the customers asking themselves 'hum, is this any good?, is this worth the expense?' and most leave the mall empty-handed killing SONY's wishes for seeing the whites of the customers pockets unfulfilled. SONY might have a bigger slice of the whole HD pie now, no doubt, but the HD pie would be much bigger happened the HD-DVD to be still alive and people had choice, cause choice brings interest. And the iPod touch as a valid gaming platform is going to generate a lot, which -mind you- are good news for Nintendo and SONY.

exca1ibur · 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by angelmb

In all honest, I think SONY has way more to worry about, its brand heyday is longer gone and to make things worse, if anyone can punch above its weight, this is Apple. The only good thing to them (SONY) is that competition is good whereas lack of is terrible; look what's happening to Blu-Ray (at least this side of the pond) HD-DVD is dead so you got no competition at all, leaving the consumer wondering about such High Definition market. Instead of getting the consumer to ponder 'hum, which one should I get, Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?' you get the customers asking themselves 'hum, is this any good?, is this worth the expense?' and most leave the mall empty-handed killing SONY's wishes for seeing the whites of the customers pockets unfulfilled. SONY might have a bigger slice of the whole HD pie now, no doubt, but the HD pie would be much bigger happened the HD-DVD to be still alive and people had choice, cause choice brings interest. And the iPod touch as a valid gaming platform is going to generate a lot, which -mind you- are good news for Nintendo and SONY.

I disagree here. There are more general games on the Nintendo DS than the PSP. That is exactly the market Apple is going after and is in. General gaming and casual gamers. Not to say Sony isn't but Apple is 100% in the same market as Nintendo for portable gaming.

The Bluray and HD-DVD 'war' did nothing but stagnate and confuse the market. More people sat on the fence wondering who was going to be the standard. Studios were divided, it was a mess overall. With the 'war' over the consumer choice is simple, Standard Definition (DVD), or High Definition (Bluray). The Market would be a lot worse off and the whole format screwed if they continued to 'war', mostly due to the Studio splits.

On that note I agree that the competition in the market by Apple is great, however I, personally, will NEVER have faith in Apple as far as gaming. Especially from what I've seen over the last 15 years from them.

is not · Mar 9, 2010, 02:17 PM

Nintendo is 100% in the same market as Nintendo for portable gaming

exca1ibur · Mar 9, 2010, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by is not

Apple. Fixed. Argh damn typos.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 10, 2010, 12:15 PM

I think Sony is in big shit with the PSP. The PSP go tried to go UMDless and failed. Lots of reasons why but mainly they dont' have the App store like apple with prices to match. Even worse the "Mini" games have pointless rules like "no updates" and "no online play". Apple has no such rules and a $1 game can play online free 100x better than any Nintendo Wii/DS game ever has.

Nintendo has a huge fan base that will follow them to every minor hardware revision DS. They can also slap "Mario" on anything and sell a billion.

If big publishers come to the iPod/touch sony could get knocked out of the game in 2-3 years. The iPad will also be a mean game device.

If Apple turns Apple TV into some sort of game device it could hit the wii's casual market hard.

ajprice · Mar 23, 2010, 04:18 AM

And another. Possibly. Nintendo announces 3DS -- the glasses-free 3D successor to the DS -- Engadget

PDF link if anyone can read Japanese here, but its on the Nintendo site, and does say 3DS on it and its dated today. It's supposed to be a 3D screen handheld without the need for funky glasses, set for launch at E3.

Hawkeye_a · Mar 23, 2010, 07:39 AM

I am actually intrigued. but i need to see the application of this technology to handheld gaming.
I suspect they will be using the front-facing camera for head tracking, thus enabling a '3D effect' by chaning the view of the 3D scene, as opposed to stereoscoping(which requires glasses)..... as a consumer, im not a fan of either technology.

I must say, i like the quirky tangents Nintendo goes off in, as opposed to just the predictable incremental upgrades most companies follow these days.

angelmb · Mar 23, 2010, 09:00 AM

I suspect they will be using the front-facing camera for head tracking, thus enabling a '3D effect' by chaning the view of the 3D scene

They're already doing it now with the DSi,

DSi hidden image 3D game looks awesome | Japanator.com: anime news, original features, and weird stories from Japan, updated daily!

exca1ibur · Mar 23, 2010, 10:48 AM

YouTube - New DSiWare game. (Japan for now)

Looks like an accelerometer just dynamically adjusting the 3d perspective of the game, to me.

Brien · Mar 23, 2010, 10:22 PM

I'm sorta sick of the iterations.

Bring back the Game Boy! If they rename the 3DS the Game Boy 3D, I'm in.

Stogieman · Mar 24, 2010, 12:47 AM

You'd think Nintendo would stay away from 3D after how badly the Virtual Boy bombed.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

I think Sony is in big shit with the PSP. The PSP go tried to go UMDless and failed. Lots of reasons why but mainly they dont' have the App store like apple with prices to match... If big publishers come to the iPod/touch sony could get knocked out of the game in 2-3 years.

It maybe sooner than that.

"Apple in one year has already claimed almost a fifth of all portable gaming revenue for itself, Flurry found in a new study this evening. The iPhone and iPod touch made up 19 percent of portable game revenue in all of 2009 where it had claimed five percent just a year earlier. At the same time, Nintendo dropped slightly to 70 percent, and Sony's PSP had its share almost halved, plunging from 20 percent to 11 percent."

iPhone, iPod taking revenue from Nintendo and Sony | Electronista

The Final Dakar · Mar 24, 2010, 09:32 AM

...and they don't seem to be in a rush to right the wrongs of their more expensive yet with less features PSPGo.

Brien · Mar 24, 2010, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Stogieman

You'd think Nintendo would stay away from 3D after how badly the Virtual Boy bombed.

It maybe sooner than that.

"Apple in one year has already claimed almost a fifth of all portable gaming revenue for itself, Flurry found in a new study this evening. The iPhone and iPod touch made up 19 percent of portable game revenue in all of 2009 where it had claimed five percent just a year earlier. At the same time, Nintendo dropped slightly to 70 percent, and Sony's PSP had its share almost halved, plunging from 20 percent to 11 percent."

iPhone, iPod taking revenue from Nintendo and Sony | Electronista

IMO, I think this is less about the iPhone's performance and more about the coming death of dedicated portable gaming consoles (and pretty much any dedicated portable device).

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 30, 2010, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Brien

IMO, I think this is less about the iPhone's performance and more about the coming death of dedicated portable gaming consoles (and pretty much any dedicated portable device).

Yep. There is nothing really wrong with the PSP or DS other than I don't want to carry a second LARGE assed device just to play games when I ALWAYS have my iPhone with me out of the house anyway. For the time I have the games are more than good enough and super cheap and easy to get. Heck even not having to carry around 3 game carts is great.

The other biggie is the price. $40 for a DS or PSP game is a friggin' joke. I have $5 iPhone games that I play just as much and are almost the same quality.

Hawkeye_a · Apr 26, 2010, 07:29 AM

Looks interesting....i think this is a proof of concept. YouTube - Nintendo 3DS - What the Nintendo 3DS Games could look like!

Interesting tangent for portable gaming, cant see how this concept will be effectively applied to interaction though. but i'm listening

analogue SPRINKLES · Apr 26, 2010, 01:30 PM

Somehow I get the feeling it will be first shown with a Mario launch title where the whole concept is built on the 3D gimick. Hopefully it will involve more than just items being thrown at your face and jumping between screens.

I also have the bad feeling only one screen will be 3D.