[Osirisis]

What the hell is up with this game? GeForce 3 using OpenGL or Rave is slower then software emulation... It's all jittery using hardware support... Sorry, but this is BS... Blizzard, what the hell are you trying to pull?

[juanvaldes]

this is under classic right? please say so...please...my rage 128 plays it just great under 9, (slow and missing health bars/stamina/exp under X.1)

[Osirisis]

Classic or in 9.2.1...

I sent a note into Blizzard asking for a solution. This game is addictive, but it would be much more fun with all the bells and whistles turned on... I'm amazed at how many hrs I've lost to it so far...

I have been able to pull myself away for HoMM3 though. Love that game... Pity we didn't get a Mac editor... None the less, those PC guys make great maps...

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Osirisis:
<STRONG>Classic or in 9.2.1...

I sent a note into Blizzard asking for a solution. This game is addictive, but it would be much more fun with all the bells and whistles turned on... I'm amazed at how many hrs I've lost to it so far...

I have been able to pull myself away for HoMM3 though. Love that game... Pity we didn't get a Mac editor... None the less, those PC guys make great maps...</STRONG>

strange... D2LOD runs absolutely fabulous on my machine under 9.2.1 Maybe your Geforece is busted? But I guess it's because D2 came out before the Geforce and it just doesn't know what to do with it. You are running a new PowerMac right?

[a2daj]

The reason your GeForce runs bad with RAVE is because RAVE support sucks for GeForce cards.

OpenGL rendering is slow with all cards. This is due to the way Apple's OpenGL loads textures. It's slower than RAVE. Diablo II is constantly loading textures into memory, unlike 3d games which usually load textures during level loading.

I run Diablo with my Voodoo5 (as a second video card next to my Radeon). It runs best with Voodoo cards. If you can get your hands on a 12 MB Voodoo2, you can get the best of both worlds with your setup, a Voodoo card for Glide games, and your GeForce for everything else.
I prefer my Radeon over the GeForce cards.

[mjpaci]

I've got a B&W G3 with a PCI Radeon card and it slows to a crawl. This also happens on the G4 at work with an ATI Rage128PRO card in it. OS 9.2.1 on both machines.

Someone, somewhere said that this is a problem with the new ATI drivers that came with 9.2.1.

--Mike

[Osirisis]

Here's the reply I got from Blizzard:

The nVidia drivers for Mac OS and some PC opperating systems appear to
have
a high latency in handling texture loads and purges. This does not
effect
games which infrequently load a few textures. However, it is a most
noticable problem in Diablo II, because the game loads and purges
dozens of
textures frequently. At this time, we are working with nVidia and
Apple to
resolve the issue. However, our only recommendation at this time is to
run
Diablo II in Software graphics mode.


Looks like it's not just a Mac problem. Hopefully Nvidia releases some real drivers.

[joe]

Originally posted by mjpaci:
<STRONG>I've got a B&W G3 with a PCI Radeon card and it slows to a crawl. This also happens on the G4 at work with an ATI Rage128PRO card in it. OS 9.2.1 on both machines.

Someone, somewhere said that this is a problem with the new ATI drivers that came with 9.2.1.

--Mike</STRONG>

That's part of the problem. But I just downgraded to OS9.1 with the previous ATi drivers and D2 still chokes. However, I remember that I installed the 1.09 D2 upgrade at around the same time as the OS9.2.1 upgrade. So the next logical thing to try is downgrading D2 to 1.08 (or earlier) and see what happens. Maybe next weekend. I'm really not up for it after downgrading to OS9.1............joe


Note - I wasn't able to downgrade to the previous version of the video drivers under OS9.2.1 (even using tome view). After testing for several hours with various files from the previous video driver installer under OS9.2.1, 3D games would either crash or refuse to run. I suspect that's ultimately because my iMac graphics chipset (16MB Rage 128 Ultra) didn't exist when the previous OpenGL installer was released. Which makes it reasonable to assume the drivers on my iMac's OS9.1 "Restore" CD are specific to my model of iMac. I'm not normally one to complain about Mac as compared to other platforms. But it really sucks not to be able to choose which video drivers are installed under which setup without having to hack away at things (common on other platforms). Any idea why Apple is so cranky about this? After all, they're all official drivers as released by Apple.

[Zoom]

I have lots of trouble with D2LOD under OS 9.1 with the stock card, and I've been wondering what I can do about it. It stutters horribly, and it doesn't seem to matter much how I tweak the settings.

What's this software emulation mode you're talking about? Sounds slow as hell, but are you saying it's better than the Rage 120 Pro??

I've got D2 1.09 and I think I have the latest ATi drivers, but I'm not sure. What are the latest drivers and what's the easiest way to check?

Is it better or worse under OS 9.2.1? I'm about ready to upgrade.

Will a Radeon Mac card improve this situation?

D2 recommends RAVE mode all the time - is this really better than OpenGL? (I've got a 2xAGP G4/400, if that matters.)

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: Zoom ]

[joe]

Originally posted by Zoom:
<STRONG>I have lots of trouble with D2LOD under OS 9.1 with the stock card, and I've been wondering what I can do about it. It stutters horribly, and it doesn't seem to matter much how I tweak the settings.

What's this software emulation mode you're talking about? Sounds slow as hell, but are you saying it's better than the Rage 120 Pro??
&lt;snip&gt;</STRONG>

Plenty of questions to pack in such a small post But I'll give it a shot:

1 - what can you do? Well, you didn't give any info about your system besides the graphics card. With RAM prices so cheap right now, it's a good idea to add more if you can (256MB at least). Run D2 in Rave thousands (not millions). If that's not enough, you can optimize the in game settings too. Once you're in the game go the the video options menu and try shutting off blended shadows and lower the graphic quality to medium (or low). Shutting off perspective gives the most noticeable boost in frame rates from my experience (Rage 128 Pro/Ultra). And of course, stick to low res 640*480. 800*600 will slow you down.

2 - D2 Software mode allows you to run the game without using the 3D hardware acceleration of your graphics chipset. Instead it relies on your PPC chip to handle everything. Because the PPC chip is doing all the work, Software mode is normally slower than hardware acceleration modes (like Rave). Under OS9.1 and D2 v1.08 and earlier, Rave is the fastest video mode to use IMHO. Recent updates have clouded the issue.

3 - The easiest way to check for video driver updates is to use the Software Update Control panel (assuming your Mac came with Rage128 Pro). If no updates were found with an OEM graphics card, you're at the latest OpenGL for OS9.1. If you have a retail graphics card, others may have a better suggestion.

4 - OS9.2.1. Don't do it. Stay at OS9.1. I just downgraded from OS9.2.1 back to OS9.1 specifically to try to get D2 working at a reasonable speed again.

5 - Radeon? That would be my preference. While I haven't found many sites that bencmark Diablo 2 frame rates, here is one that shows Rave graphics performance for Unreal Tournement in a show down with Radeon, GF2MX, and GF3 Mac graphics cards. For Rave graphics, the Radeon has a slight but surprising advantage in D2 resolutions (640*480, 800*600) vs the newer and more costly GF3. If I had a tower, I'd take the Radeon over the new GF3. Of course, for OpenGL games like Quake3, the GF3 is the way to go. But overall, I'd still take the Radeon because it does everything at a good clip. See the Rave benchmarks for yourself on the bottom of this page: http://www.innermac.com/features/gf3...gf3pre-08.html

6 - Rave in D2. Yes, this is best way to go for D2 prior to OS9.2.1. With the latest drivers in OS9.2.1, Software mode is better - but slower than using OS9.1/Rave. There is a way to install the older graphics drivers from OS9.1 in OS9.2.1 using TomeView and the OpenGL 1.2.1 update. It seems to work for many although it didn't work for my iMac. My advice is to stay at OS9.1 for now. Add more RAM (if needed), play D2 at 640*480, and tweak the settings as suggested above. Regards.........joe

[Chimpmaster]

on my ibook, d2 was perfectly acceptable under 9.1 and 9.2.1 but it is unplayable on os 10.1.

Its really sad actually. Im not sure what the problem is but Im sick of having to rebuild my machine.

Everything else (productivity software, general operations) run really well in os 10.1.

Even wolfenstein (the new demo) runs ok, but d2 i get 1fps.

Any suggestions here would be helpful - I dont believe the **** and bull about needing more memory, there shouldnt be that much difference in performance.

[a2daj]

Originally posted by Chimpmaster:
<STRONG>on my ibook, d2 was perfectly acceptable under 9.1 and 9.2.1 but it is unplayable on os 10.1.

Its really sad actually. Im not sure what the problem is but Im sick of having to rebuild my machine.

Everything else (productivity software, general operations) run really well in os 10.1.

Even wolfenstein (the new demo) runs ok, but d2 i get 1fps.

Any suggestions here would be helpful - I dont believe the **** and bull about needing more memory, there shouldnt be that much difference in performance. </STRONG>

Easy. Don't run it in 10.1. It's not optimized for 10.1. A Carbon version of Diablo II is not out. Not all classic games will run well in 10.1. The classic environment was not designed with gaming in mind. It's recommended that games should be run in native 9.x. Wolfenstein will only run on OS X. There's currently no 9.x version.

[joe]

Originally posted by Chimpmaster:
<STRONG>Even wolfenstein (the new demo) runs ok, but d2 i get 1fps.

Any suggestions here would be helpful - I dont believe the **** and bull about needing more memory, there shouldnt be that much difference in performance. </STRONG>

And I was complaining about 3-4fps in D2 How about that - my iMac gets 4x the frame rate!!!!

Hmmm. I just checked the previous posts here and noone gave you any **** and bull about needing more memory. Especially since you're getting 'perfectly acceptable' frame rates under OS9.2.1. To get such frame rates with D2 and OS9.2.1 you obviously have an ideal hardware setup already. You just need to wait for Blizzard to upgrade D2 for OSX. But if you can't wait for the upgrade, why not partition your hard drive so that you can have both OSX and genuine OS9.2.1 installed. A friend did that with his dual USB iBook and 10.04 because of performance and compatibility problems with 'classic' emulation. It's worked well for him.......joe

[timster]

Bleah,

I posted a fairly good description of how to fix the problem under 9.2.1, and they have to go and roll back the macnn forums and trash my post.

It's 2am, and I need to go to bed, but ill offer a short description now, and follow up with more in detail later on.. this is for all ATI users (i dont recommend this for Nvidia folks).

1. download Radeon 1.1.1 drivers from ATI (nevermind the warnings and stuff they give you about downloading drivers from apple if you have a OEM driver)

2. remove all ATI drivers from your extensions folder

3. install the Radeon drivers

4. reboot and enjoy Diablo II.

This works even if you have a Rage 128 (like me).

Ill write more later after i get some sleep. :o

[mortis999]

I would stick with OpenGL on NVidia based cards.
I have a G4 350 with a Rage Pro 128 and 256MB RAM.
Lords of Destruction plays fine under OpenGL.

Games must be programmed to take advantage
of the T&L engine in Geforce for it to be of any use.
That said, most new games like Quake3 and
Max Payne (PC) take advantage of this.

[a2daj]

Right now, I would never recommend Diablo II OpenGL rendering for any video card. The framerates are more inconsistant than even Software mode.

[MuckSavage]

I run LOD in classic mode on an imac600mhz, with a ATI ragepro (ithink) 16mb, and it runs like a charm. You have to set it for software mode, however, because D2 is not optimized for Rave cards or open GL for crap. Big shock that a mostly PC game doesn't run so hot on macs, huh?
Try it in software mode, 800x600. Runs great for me!

[joe]

Originally posted by MuckSavage:
<STRONG>I run LOD in classic mode on an imac600mhz, with a ATI ragepro (ithink) 16mb, and it runs like a charm. You have to set it for software mode, however, because D2 is not optimized for Rave cards or open GL for crap. Big shock that a mostly PC game doesn't run so hot on macs, huh?
Try it in software mode, 800x600. Runs great for me!</STRONG>

The reason for the complaints is that D2 use to run very well in Rave mode. Much faster in fact than using Software mode. At least it did for me on my 600Mhz iMac (16MB Rage 128 Ultra) when I purchased D2 last Spring. At the time D2 ran so well that I regularly use to host TCP/IP games on my 600Mhz iMac. The other players were using both Macs and PCs. That's simply not possible now.

You're right though. Software Mode is the only way to play D2. But at least Blizzard seems to be taking notice of the problem (FINALLY). Have a look: http://www.battle.net/forums/support/posts/ff/135.shtml


However, going by their comments, they're way off base on 2 key points. First, D2 and OS9.1 played very well on my iMac last Spring as mentioned above. I hope they realize that soon. Because that means there are performance issues introduced with some of the D2 upgrades since last Spring that sorely need to be addressed. IE if you install D2 from your original CDs but don't apply the D2 patches, it is fast and smooth even when hosting. Second, OpenGL was never playable with D2 - at least not on my iMac. The OpenGL implementation in D2 could use some tweaking...........joe

[timster]

Guys, try installing the Radeon drivers, like i described earlier in a post!

I did this fix about two months ago and I've been running D2 with RAVE and 3D effects with no problems! It doesnt matter if you have a Rage 128, it will work anyway. it works on my G4 with Rage 128. It works for my friend who has a b/w G3 and a Rage 128.

Or are you guys simply not reading my post?

-tim

[Chimpmaster]

Timster I tried that, and it did improve my fps but not by much.

I went up from 1fps to around 30fps when standing stil in town, and choking at around 5fps when mosters are around etc.

This was rebooting in 9.2.1 mode, with the radeon drivers.

I am going to try a full format, installing only 9.1 with your suggested radeon drivers (obviously with osx as well) and then reboot into 9.1 and see how it goes.

If its still crap, then its onto software mode i guess. When really sux about that is not that its more 2d, but you miss quite a few of the magical effects from spells. But, whats the point in seeing them if you die from lag every 5 seconds. You cant play with low fps online on hell difficulty - its just unplayable under about 20fps.

[timster]

What kind of mac are you using?

Prior to installing the Radeon drivers, my mac (dual G4) would be fine in town, but as soon as I hit a group of monsters the framerate would just drop through the floor. It was especially worst in place like the Chaos Sanctuary where I'd get killed by Oblivion Mages before I even saw them.

After that - the game runs smoothly with very little framerate drop unless it really gets thick, like in the beforementioned location, but not to the point where it would be causing me to die.

Did you make sure that you removed all ATI extensions out of the system folder before doing the install of Radeon drivers?

-tim

[joe]

Originally posted by timster:
<STRONG>Guys, try installing the Radeon drivers, like i described earlier in a post!

I did this fix about two months ago and I've been running D2 with RAVE and 3D effects with no problems! It doesnt matter if you have a Rage 128, it will work anyway. it works on my G4 with Rage 128. It works for my friend who has a b/w G3 and a Rage 128.

Or are you guys simply not reading my post?

-tim</STRONG>

I read it - and am debating whether to trash my iMac (again). The problem is, someone else made a similar suggestion using TomeView and the OpenGL 1.2.1 update which didn't work. But it should have worked. I suspect my iMac graphics chipset (16MB Rage 128 Ultra) came out AFTER the previous OpenGL 1.2.1 update and is probably not recognized by the drivers. So I bit the bullet and re-installed OS9.1 from my iMac's "Restore CD." There must be a custom set of OpenGL 1.2.1 drivers on this disc.

However, the end result is that I am using the faster rev of the graphics card drivers anyway. Because these are the same drivers I used when I bought my iMac and D2! So that brings up an important point - it's not just an OS or driver problem. Some of the recent D2 updates themselves have slowed things down noticeably - even before upgrading to OS9.2.1 and the slower OpenGL 1.2.2 driver files. In any case, Blizzard claims driver updates from ATI and NVidia are in the works (OpenGL 1.2.3???). Hopefully, that will get D2 running as fast as it did when I bought it originally.......joe

[KissMyMac]

I've just bought a 733Mhz Quicksilver G4, with 640mo and 80Go with the Nvidia 2 32mo video card, and it's slow in openGL (with all options maxed out). I find it weird to put the video option to the minimum (like i did with my 333mhz iMac) on this big baby!! It's as slow with a GeForce 32 mo as my old ATI rage pro 6mo!!!

I know what i'll ask for Xmas...

[Osirisis]

Try software emulation. I have a dual 800 with a GeForce 3 and that's how I'm forced to work. Waiting on Nvidia to get some updated drivers out.

Enough about how to run graphics on the game though, I just got it, what class should I be, I don't know, but the Druid looks crappy and I think the Amazon is supposed to be the "wussy" character for beginers that starts to suck at higher levels but I don't know if that's true, but what should I be aned what strategies should I use?

[lythari]

Carbonized D2 is on my Christmas wish list. But I doubt that we'd see it before late winter / early spring

[Osirisis]

One of the best places I have found to discuss the class question is planetdiablo.com. That or diabloii.net. Be aware that the page are badly laid out on both sites, but they do have the info you'll need. Playing a pally myself =) Lvl 70. The forums for planetdiablo are on the right hand side on the front page.

[timster]

The strongest character class in the game would be a tossup between the sorc and amazon. Sorcs are pure XP killing machines with firewall, but Amazons might have more flexibility all over the game. Sorcs also are better for magic-finding.

Druids are pretty cool. 90% of the druids go with werewolf form, but dont discount werebear. With good equipment, a werebear can easily deal more damage, and take a great deal more punishment than any other class in the game.

I've got a lv 85 werebear druid and a lv 70 sorceress, and a buncha other lower level guys. Every class is fun to play. Check the forums at diabloii.net or planetdiablo.com for specific strats.

[Zoom]

Holy crap. I just upgraded to OS 9.2.1, and the frame rates just got horrible!! God, I thought it was bad before! This really sucks. I'm not a huge gamer, but I've really gotten into Diablo and I was having a lot of fun with D2LOD. Until now. What a freakin' drag.

Timster, no, I haven't tried your suggestion yet. I'm going to try software mode first and see if that helps. Before I follow your suggestion, is there any downside to your suggestion?

[Zoom]

Oh, and one more thing. People have mentioned D2LOD going Carbonized. Is this purely a pipe dream or has Blizzard made some sort of commitment in that regard? If so, I'd love to see a link posted to the statement.

Okay, two more things. Now that ATi has the new graphics cards out, has anyone seen a good sale on the Radeon cards?

[Zoom]

Wow. Software emulation mode is MUCH better. And that's so unbelievably sad. Of course, SW mode forces you to use 256 colors, too, which has got to make rendering a lot easier.

But I want a real solution here.

Here's a question for you guys... I swear I recall reading somewhere that due to some wierdness with ATi Rago 128 Pro, it actually ran better with millions of colors instead of thousands. Maybe it was on the D2 web site? Can't recall where I saw it. But I do think that I chose millions over thousands back with OS 9.1 and it did seem better, though not by much. It may have been my imagination.

[lythari]

Originally posted by Zoom:
<STRONG>Wow. Software emulation mode is MUCH better. And that's so unbelievably sad. Of course, SW mode forces you to use 256 colors, too, which has got to make rendering a lot easier.

But I want a real solution here.

Here's a question for you guys... I swear I recall reading somewhere that due to some wierdness with ATi Rago 128 Pro, it actually ran better with millions of colors instead of thousands. Maybe it was on the D2 web site? Can't recall where I saw it. But I do think that I chose millions over thousands back with OS 9.1 and it did seem better, though not by much. It may have been my imagination.</STRONG>

Interestingly enough, I get the same frame rates running LOD in classic in OS X.1 as I do in 9.2. This is with software rendering of course. Now I don't need to boot in 9 for anything at all.

By the way, what sort of frame rates are you people getting? On my pismo 500 I 25fps when I'm standing still. If there are lots of monsters on screen, it can dip down to about 9.

[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: lythari ]

[Osirisis]

Just out of curiousity, how does one get the fps in diabloii?

[Zoom]

I had the same question. I found the supposed keyboard trick to show the frame rates, but it didn't work for me. Could someone post it here so I can be sure I had it right? I'd like to have a basis for my discussion of quality.

[warpmoon]

just press "enter", type in "fps" followed by another "enter"

(ie, you bring up the chat thingy and type in fps, just as if you wanted to say it to someone)


Also, generally speaking, Diablo 2 caps out out at 25 fps when playing. If you're navigating through menues or have the inventory or something open, it can go higher. The hard part is getting it to stay up there....

[Rob Barris]

Hello all Diablo II fans -

We put in a bunch of hours over the last month or so to try and nail down what was causing D2 slowdowns, there turned out to be two separate/distinct problem areas: people with ATI hardware that had upgraded their OS and gotten newer "improved" drivers, and people with NVIDIA hardware in general.
The symptom reports really made us think it was a D2 bug, when in fact we were facing two different interactions with video drivers - a different bug/slowdown for NVIDIA vs ATI.

The work we do with our friends at ATI and NVIDIA is under NDA but if you can "take my word for it", I would like to point out that they are smart, fast working people. I have seen some results from their efforts in the last two weeks which are quite good for us.

In some cases there were flat out boo-boos in driver code, in some cases there were paths that D2 was heavily utilizing, that are not heavily used in games like Quake and so don't get the benchmarking effort put into them. "The Squeaky Wheel gets The Oil"

But in general the attitude has been "whatever the source of the wasted cycles is, let's get it fixed". I hope that I can post much more substantial news very soon - the issue is *not* being ignored and we *are* making palpable progress.

This silliness of software mode being faster than hardware mode... well, it's tiresome and I won't miss it. We did our best to come up with short term workarounds for users to "ease the pain" until the real fixes are available.

PS, to measure your machine's frame rate un-capped, start/host a TCP/IP game with no other players logged in. That's what I do when benchmarking this stuff.

sincerely,
Rob Barris
Blizzard Entertainment
mailto:rbarris@blizzard.com

[warpmoon]

Its nice to see someone from Blizzard post a reply here, explaining the matter

I hope that the issues will be resolved sooner rather then later, since I still quite haven't become used with the fact that my G3@266 with a Voodoo 3 gets a better preformance then my G4@450 with a 128 RagePro....heh

[Cipher13]

Diablo II, LOD... I can't see why anyone would want to prolong this game any further.

[Osirisis]

Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to respond on this board. I'm glad to see that we haven't been forgotten I love this game... Reason my RC5 scores have been so low I can't wait to see how this runs in thousands of colors with my hardware going

[Zoom]

Yes, thanks a ton for posting and letting us know, at least to the extent that you can, what's going on. It's good to know that ATi is working on this, but you'll have to accept a certain I'll-believe-it-when-I-see-it attitude. Please, push on them as much as you can. I love D2 and the jerkiness of the game play is driving me insane. I really want to crank this thing up to full tilt and get the full experience. I hope they figure this out soon. In a way, it's too bad they don't offer some way to customize the drivers performance based on the game you're playing, or at least based on some generic parameters that would let you optimize the performance. Q3 and UT seem to get all the attention.

PLEASE keep us posted!!!

[a2daj]

Ahhh.... Voodoo5 and Diablo II on my G4 867 absolutely rocks. Consistent 120 fps (capped at refresh rate) all around with graphics cranked up to the max. Hell, when it was in my G4 400, it was great too. No Mac OS 9.2.1 driver issues. No NVIDIA issues. No worries until Carbon D II comes out... then I have my Radeon available to kick some booty.

[Rob Barris]

D2 was originally developed for 3dfx/Glide which has very low overhead paths for texture replacement... and thus something D2 does way more often than typical 3d shooter titles.
Improving these paths through the OpenGL drivers is the best way to make D2 go faster on non-3dfx-style hardware. A faster driver can make D2 go a lot faster even if we don't change one line of code.

Rob Barris
Blizzard Entertainment

I had these problems ( 1 fps on G4 466, Rage128) too, but they are not very difficult to solve!
I used the newer and "improved" drivers from the iBook CD when I experienced this. D2LOD got crappy fps, Quake 3 stopped to function at all. Luckily, I had some old drivers backed up on a CD for defragmenting purposes, and copied them to extensions folder, rebooted and everything was fine!
version numbers:
ATI Driver update 1.7.5
ATI Graphics accelerator 5.3.4
ATI MPP Manager 1.2
ATI Rage 128 3d-accelerator 6.1.6
ATI Resource Manager 2.8.7

note: the ATI Rage 128 3d-accelerator-version-number is actually higher than the "newest" drivers from the iBook CD, and the Radeon 1.1.1 drivers!

[juanvaldes]

Rob,

Very cool to have you post here and let us all know. D2 and UT are the only reasons I goto OS 9, and since it's such a pain to reboot shut down all my apps etc, I have not even gotten into LOD that my girl friend got me for my birthday.

Can you confirm that indeed after starcraft is carbonized D2 will be as well? Please even a wink ( ) will do. BTW, I thought D2 was being done by Blizzard North, aren't you supposed to be hard at work on Warcraft3? not that I am complaining.

[Rob Barris]

The decision to pursue a Carbonized Diablo II will depend on user feedback and the overall response to Starcraft's release on OS X. It does seem like a lot of people are asking for it.

Rob Barris
Blizzard Entertainment
rbarris@blizzard.com

[Nebrie]

Originally posted by Rob Barris:
<STRONG>The decision to pursue a Carbonized Diablo II will depend on user feedback and the overall response to Starcraft's release on OS X. It does seem like a lot of people are asking for it.

Rob Barris
Blizzard Entertainment
rbarris@blizzard.com</STRONG>

Well, I own two copies of the the game and expansion and I'm going to ask for it to be carbonized too

[Osirisis]

Rob,

just tell us where to send the request for the carbon version. I'll be more than happy to send in my request for it

[joe]

Originally posted by Rob Barris:
<STRONG>The decision to pursue a Carbonized Diablo II will depend on user feedback and the overall response to Starcraft's release on OS X. It does seem like a lot of people are asking for it.

Rob Barris
Blizzard Entertainment
rbarris@blizzard.com</STRONG>

Will Carbonizing D2/LoD help for those of us without Voodoo cards? Or is the OSX driver issue the same as OS9?. I just bought a Radeon Cube in part to get D2 up to speed again. I'm buying OSX later this week and am planning to set up a dual boot so as to have OS9.1 available to D2 / LoD. I'll even drop back to OS9.04 if it will help get D2 as fast as when I 1st bought it!......joe

[kleznik]

Originally posted by Osirisis:
<STRONG>Rob,

just tell us where to send the request for the carbon version. I'll be more than happy to send in my request for it </STRONG>

Me too!

But seriously, I also put a VERY strong vote to carbonize diablo 2 LOD. I've heard that Starcraft is an immensely popular game around the world, so I can understand Blizzard's decision to carbonize it first. But for me, I played through all of the scenarios of starcraft and then lost interest. I understood the multiplayer capabilities, but it's not my idea of fun to just compete with other players.

I then purchased diablo 2 at the end of this Summer. I went through all the scenarios in normal level on diablo 2, was beginning to lose interest, but then went onto battle.net and discovered all the wonderful ways different character classes could work together to achieve goals, and I became hooked. Then I discovered all the more interesting items to be found as you made it to higher level characters, and now I am even more hooked. At this point, I spend almost all of my free time playing on battle.net, and it is the only reason I leave OS X is to go back to OS 9.1 (where diablo works fine for me - it doesn't in OS 9.2) to play diablo 2 LOD. If Blizzard would make a version that works well in OS X.1, I would be a VERY happy person indeed!

-Dan

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Osirisis:
<STRONG>Rob,

just tell us where to send the request for the carbon version. I'll be more than happy to send in my request for it </STRONG>

Osirisis says it best. Where do we sign up?

Starcraft for me runs fine in classic, BUT I lose my right click (M$ intellamouse) which is enough on its' own to go back to OS 9 to play.

Diablo on the other hand chokes (Dp450 448 rage 128 16meg) so I got the hardware it just needs better access to it then classic can offer. making D2 the more important carbonization for me. Stuff like health bars, stamina, exp all do not even show up. It truly is sad, and D2/LOD is even newer...

of course I will never say no to Starcraft