[mozart11]

My son just got Rogue Spear. When he tries to play, the mouse/cursor is very slow to respond. Very jerky and delayed. Move the mouse and seconds later the cursor moves. It's impossible for him to play. He plays other games including Rainbow Six fine. Just Rogue Spear. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Hardware is B&W G3 300mhz. OS 9.1, 256 megs real ram. Cable modem.
Thanks

[jnunez]

Goto to Extension Manager and set it to the Mac OS Base Duplicate it and call it game set then just enable every Quicktime item and Sprocket item in the Extensions folder. Finally restart!

Remember to change this back when you want to use your system for the basic stuff. A quick way of changing between sets is to hold the space bar down at startup and then select your set.

[mozart11]

Thanks. I've done that without any success. I've spent a lot of time today trying to get it to work, to no avail. I've read the readme files and nothing in them helps either. I've writenMasoft, but I'm quite perplexed. I have a lot of Mac knowledge and I'm wondering if the game is not compatable with OS 9.1. That's my guess.

[jnunez]

Give us info on every piece of hardware in your Mac?

Also disable RamDoubler and enable Virtual Memory!

Later
JNunez

[mozart11]

Mac Blue & White G3. 256megs real ram. Virtual memory enabled. 300mhz. OS 9.1. All latest software from Apple. Quicktime 4. I even tried Quicktime Beta 5. I tried just the base extensions also all apple extensions. Just your store bought Mac.

[kevcarl]

I've got a similar problem, but I've got a Voodoo5 card.

I've e-mailed Infogrames about this, so we'll see if their tech support has seen this happening with others.

I've got pretty much the exact system recommended on the bottom of the Rogue Spear box: G3 300 (beige), 160 MB RAM, Voodoo5 card. But the 3-D rendering is awful. Slow, jerky, low detail. It can't be even using the Voodoo card. Must be using software rendering. But there aren't any options in the game for manually setting the video card, at least none that I can find. The Voodoo card works fine; Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 and Myth II all are smooth as silk with beautiful lighting effects. It's like the game didn't autodetect the card on install. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be grateful. I'm using 3dfx drivers 1.1.2. I hear there's a 1.1.3b version out there, but I can't find it. I'm also using Apple's OpenGL 1.2.1 drivers.

I, too, have tried all combinations of extensions on/off. No difference.

If there's no fix for this, I'm gonna have to return this, 'cause it's terrible.

[jnunez]

Well after testing it on our office G4's I have to say that this is up there as one of the worst ports since SimCity 3000!!!!

We have one perfectly working install on a G4 and a crashing install on a similiar G4!

MacSoft should just follow Aspyr's lead and have Westlake Interactive do the ports!!! Just look at The Sims!

I have been happy with every port Westlake has done except for Falcon 4.0 but it's not because of Westlake but because of MicroProse.

[mozart11]

Well we've disabled the audio part of the game and this allows play now. The mouse works and my son is playing. I also did a new install of the game. But it seems if he cd is not being accssed during play, it the game will function. I wonder if here is a conflict with the auddio manager or sound manager of the OS?

[Brazuca]

Mozart,
I have the same system software setup as you (9.1, etc) and I should say that there is definetelly not a software conflict with apple's software.

I recommend that you re-install both the game itself and the OpenGL drivers (apple website).

Also make sure that you have the game's ram allocation set to as much as you can with a little room left (Im sure you've done this)...

[jnunez]

OK I'm progressing...
I tried every Computer Diags software and I finally have another working G4 with Rogue Spear.
Try
Norton's Utilities
Tech Tool Pro
Disk FirstAid
DiskWarrior
Zap the PRAM
Rebuild the Desktop

[Brazuca]

Wow, you did all of that?? RS doesn't require much from the system. I can even play it with all my extensions on, though it gets a little choppy in MP. Do your other G4's work yet? Look at your extension set.

[jnunez]

I will System Profile the working systems and compare it against the non working G4's.

[Brazuca]

Jnunez,
Are you doing a full, custom, or minimal install??

[altoid]

Originally posted by mozart11:
Mac Blue & White G3. 256megs real ram. Virtual memory enabled. 300mhz. OS 9.1. All latest software from Apple. Quicktime 4. I even tried Quicktime Beta 5. I tried just the base extensions also all apple extensions. Just your store bought Mac.

I found that I cannot play with the music option enabled (it's just for background music during game play I beileve) because of the mouse moving problem. Turning it off solved my problem too.

I agree w/ jnunez, this port is a pretty bad port. The sound effects sometimes sound like a phonograph w/ the needle down, starting from stop then spinning up to normal speed in 1 second - LAME! Crashing is an issue and something stupid like background noise can't even play reliable w/out making mouse movement unbearable (unplayable).

We could use a patch for *a ton* of reasons now. If a patch coul fix these problems then I think the game is excellent, awesome even!! - w/out it, it's just another poorly made game.

[jnunez]

I have done full installs on all of the computers. And have installed OpenGL from Apple's Site. As well as Input Sprockets.

[Brazuca]

Altoid:
I concede that RS has some very, very annoying bugs in it. The port has been made rather irresponsibly. But the game is not unplayable. Some of us have been playing single player and MP ever since the Demo was released. We've learned to deal with the annoyances (bue we ALL still complain).

The music problems that you descrive I have not seen. I'm able to play just fine in my machine and actually agree with Macnn.com's comment about how great the soundtrack is. Makes the game feel more real when that eerie music is playing and you are surrounded by tangos....

[jnunez]

I've been able to get Mac number 4 running by removing the TCP/IP and DiskWarrior and a reinstall.

[This message has been edited by jnunez (edited 02-10-2001).]

[Brazuca]

So, are you in Gameranger yet???